iPad Pro with M5 chip
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·October 15, 2025overgard
I get the impression they're trying to market this to laptop users. I'm still very skeptical of iPads as a productivity device. The problem isn't the hardware, it's the OS, the app store and the model for selling apps. Apple's app store policies make it hard to sell expensive software (which most productivity apps are somewhat expensive), it also makes it hard to distribute free software (as in open source -- because someone has to pony up for a developer account and deal with the app store feedback), and the App-centric focus of the OS itself is a problem (most projects need to be file centric)
SkyPuncher
My sister in law has used an iPad as here primary compute device for school. Frankly, it works absolutely fine for her. 95% of her need is reading, email, and writing papers (in Google Drive).
sylens
I have a 2018 iPad Pro that is due for replacement but I cannot bring myself to spend the money on a new iPad. No matter how much I think I'll use it, it becomes a web browsing and YouTube machine on the couch. It's a shame because I think the hardware design is quite good, but the OS itself is so limiting, even with the "improvements" iPadOS 26 introduced.
bschne
This. I've started thinking of it like this — the iPad, in my case, has an absolutely abysmal cost to usage ratio. On the far other end of the spectrum (and in a similar form factor if you squint) is probably my Kindle.
That being said, _some_ people I know consistently seem to get lots of work use out of their tablets, and I can't quite put my finger on where we differ.
dialup_sounds
This may be a controversial statement, but: you don't have to replace things that you're not using.
0x457
I can understand the reasoning behind - maybe new revision is more usable and make them use it more.
I use my 2018 iPad Pro every day, though. Ironically, that's the reason why I'm not replacing it - it works just fine.
sylens
That’s the decision I’ve made here, I was merely using the framing as a way to talk about how my view on the iPad has changed in the intervening years
calciphus
But won't someone think of the shareholder value?
bombcar
Every iPad I've bought was going to be "the one where I find a use case that uses it" but every time it ends up being a YouTube machine.
apples_oranges
Garageband and Books for me.. iPad 1 or 2 would suffice..
bluescrn
iOS doesn't even make for a very good YouTube machine, you need uBlock Origin for that.
rg3
Side comment: when I watch YouTube content on my iPad, I normally use the Brave browser instead of the app. It has a built-in ad blocker that works well on YouTube.
neckro23
Psst, you can get uBlock Origin (lite) for Safari now. Works pretty well.
coldtea
Sounds like you don't have a tablet specific use case though, you just want to use it as a glorified laptop, so why not just use a laptop?
A tablet specific use case would be as portable writing machine on the go, for illustration, for audio units, or something like that, all the way to flight maps for recreational flying.
ljlolel
It’s the standard for musical notes
fuzzy2
What’s wrong with the iPad being a pure consumption device? It’s really great at this. Granted, you don’t need an iPad Pro for consumption, but you could always go for an iPad or iPad Air, no?
I have a 2017 iPad Pro and once the battery finally dies will replace it with a non-Pro iPad.
walkabout
I'm still on an older 12.9" Pro but will definitely upgrade at some point—and may not bother with another (personal—work-supplied is another matter) MacBook when my M1 starts to get long in the tooth in a couple years, now that Preview is available on iPads.
It beats the hell out of either laptops or phones, for me, for these tasks:
- Music. Excellent as a sheet music display; can record and edit midi quite well; play tutorial videos; act as a tuner, tone generator, or metronome (my phone beats it on that front due to portability, but still, if I already have the iPad out on the stand...); plenty good enough at audio recording and editing for my extremely-amateur purposes, plus its ability to play loops and beats and such.
- Reading. It's especially amazing for comic books (in landscape mode a 12.9 incher is almost the same size as an open comic book! You can read two-page side-by-side on it, no problem) and PDFs. I prefer iPad mini sized devices for prose books in ordinary ebook formats, but the 12.9" pro is damn near perfect for those two things. Laptops and desktop computers also work for comic books and PDFs, but are a pretty big downgrade, UX-wise.
- Drawing. Obviously.
- Long-form writing. Laptops work great for this too, of course, but you still need a separate keyboard if you want decent ergonomics. iPad doesn't have an attached keyboard taking up space that I could instead use for a separate keyboard.
It's also just as good as a laptop (to me) as a remote SSH terminal, VNC terminal, video/music player, web browser et c. I can't really think of much I do on my (personal! Not work-supplied) laptop that I can't do just as well on an iPad, maybe supplemented by a headless RPi hanging off my router, or a cheap VM rental (or just the Linux server in an old desktop workstation tower that I already have anyway).
Washuu
I have an iPad Mini. I got it mainly for studying and reading. However, it also has become great for being an instrumentalist. I can toss it in my bag, setup it up with the folding case for sheet music, tuning, and everything else. It saves me from having to carry my sheet music books, tuner, and other bits around.
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gh0stcat
You could consider getting into drawing/design. They compete incredibly well against the display-based tablets made by wacom, especially these days where you can also do 3d and animation in procreate.
sylens
If I was starting this as a hobby, my first step would not be to spend several hundred dollars on a tablet and pen. I'd probably grab some sketchbooks and pencils first for <$50 and see if it sticks for more than a month.
criddell
If you aren't into drawing, what about music? You can download GarageBand for free and it's pretty great once you figure it out.
Or if you aren't a music person, are you into making movies? Final Cut Pro does have a subscription, but it's only $5 / month and the subscription is easy to start and stop. If your needs are simple, the free iMovie is pretty good.
Or maybe video isn't your thing. Are you a writer or poet? There are a lot of great choices for writing apps and the battery life of the iPad means you can work away from your desk all day.
Or if you like writing software, Swift Playground is fun. I found this to be a great resource:
https://github.com/uraimo/Awesome-Swift-Playgrounds
If you are into photography, Affinity Photo is fun. It doesn't have the AI features that Photoshop has, but for amateurs, it can get you pretty far. Plug in an external drive to your iPad and you can use it with a huge photo library.
kimbernator
Gear Acquisition Syndrome. It's interesting how many people try to pick up new hobbies to justify large purchases when it rarely works out that way
skylurk
Drawing with undo, layers, gradients, transparency, and infinite brushes is very different from sketching on paper. I don't think a sketchbook is anything like it.
Just borrow someone else's underused ipad if you want to give it a try.
gh0stcat
I mean yes, but if you have an incredibly impressive machine compared to SOTA 10 years ago just lying around, I'd have fun with that too. :) Plus you can use it for more "practical" stuff like logo design or editing or even just note taking... I wanted to provide some examples of not just youtube machine.
runjake
I did this. I bought a Pencil Pro. I bought Procreate. Doodled for a couple weeks.
Now it's just a YouTube device.
Just buy a sketch book and some colored pens and pencils.
minimaxir
I have a M1 iPad Pro and I'm open to doing a trade-in for a new M5 iPad Pro: however the problem is the accessories. I rely on the Magic Keyboard and Apple Pencil and they would have to be repurchased since they are not compatable, which upps the total price too much.
vessenes
For the haters here - Apple sells roughly 2x as many iPads as Macs (including MacBooks). Roughly as many iPad Pros as laptops.
I've cycled through using an iPad Pro as my main device on and off over the years - particularly the cellular modem has been a draw. For coding, they're terrible, as they are for longer form writing. I've ultimately shrunk down to the small size and use it as a kindle/gaming replacement. I think with a foldable iPhone I'd probably skip buying one.
All that said there's a large market for them. I use mine enough that every two cycles I update just for battery reasons.
bertili
I didn't believe this at first, but it seems valid.
Apple earnings on Mac and iPads are in the same ballpark and if iPads cost half of a Mac its indeed a 2x.
https://www.macrumors.com/2025/05/01/apple-2q-2025-earnings/
tristor
I mean, that makes sense given what the "haters" are saying, and indeed what you yourself admit. If this is just a device for passive consumption of entertainment, then ultimately it's a consumer-facing use case, and there are MANY MANY MANY more consumers than there are creators, whether that creation is a photo or a line of code. So of course more devices are sold, because you need a laptop (due to mostly software, rather than hardware reasons) to do most forms of creativity, from writing code to editing photos.
dcreater
At this point, I think its just very irresponsible of Apple putting these kind of chips in the iPad and then given 99% of the users no way to actually harness that power. Occupy TSMC line time and cause global geopolitical struggles for what??
tempodox
So they can ruin this beautiful hardware with shitty and locked down software. For most people, games are the only kind of software that comes close to actually utilizing all this power, but dedicated game consoles are cheaper. So what’s the point any more?
GeekyBear
The additional GPU performance will be very helpful for the upcoming Blender port to iPad.
> The M5 chip is built on TSMC's N3P node and has a faster GPU that can deliver 1.6x more FPS in games, 20% faster multi-core CPU performance, and 1.7x quicker render times in Blender — all versus the M4.
https://www.tomshardware.com/laptops/macbooks/apple-launches...
jmull
I’m waiting for them to put macos on the ipads (or touch/pencil on the macbooks).
seviu
I really want this but I can’t justify such a machine just for watching YouTube.
I cannot even give it to my kids since I don’t have multiple accounts with it.
Kind of sad that the most interesting device Apple has will never show its true potential due to their greed.
ErneX
For watching YouTube you just need the cheapest iPad not a Pro.
seviu
A generalization I would say
I really dig that Oled screen
ErneX
Those will trickle down eventually I suppose.
mwexler
Or an even cheaper android tablet.
qingcharles
I bought an $80 8th Gen iPad off eBay and it runs 26 great and works perfectly for watching brain-rot and doing my Duolingos.
dylan604
People keep saying their iPad is a YT consumption device, but without ad blocking, how do you stay sane? I'm assuming if you're consuming that much YT content you've moved to a premium account or something? I don't use my tablet primarily for YT content, so it's rather jolting when I click a link somewhere and see the hell that is unblocked YT
gsibble
This obviously isn't a tablet meant for people who own M4/M2 iPads to upgrade. You wouldn't be getting your money's worth (although the tandem OLED on the M4 is stunning).
This is just a minor update for anyone with an older iPad/iPad Pro in case they want to upgrade.
Many of the people here complaining don't seem to understand they are not the target market.
Also, I love using my iPad as a social media / YouTube content consumption device. It's a fantastic experience. I also use it for a lot of home control (mostly audio but also lighting). It sure is an expensive device but it lasts forever and I get my money's worth.
Oh, and Lightroom on it is fantastic!
mark_l_watson
Looks wonderful but I have an old iPad Pro with an M1 and 16G memory and I already feel my old iPad Pro is powerful enough to run local LLMs, write books, use SSH/Mosh to my servers, etc.
EDIT: oh, the prices are much lower now than what I paid 3+ hears ago, that’s nice.
throw-10-13
Put a grown up OS on it and I’ll consider it.
dmitshur
Glad to see that unlike last time with the M4 release, this time they released M5 in more devices than just the iPad Pro at the same time. That said, there’s still room for improvement: the MacBook Air and Mac mini weren’t updated yet.
I currently have an m1 iPad pro, and I use it daily. Do I get the pro performance out of it? Probably not. I might still upgrade to the m5 for the better display though. These are my use-cases FWIW:
- Goodnotes w/ the apple pen during work
- YouTube during dinner
- Kindle App for technical books (and regular Kindle device for fiction)
- Browsing the internet
- Streaming games with Xbox streaming
I travel for work one week per month-ish, and I don't take a personal laptop anymore since getting my iPad.
Now.. do I really _need_ to upgrade? Probably not, my M1 still runs fine. Decisions Decisions :)