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Peep Show – The Most Realistic Portrayal of Evil Ever Made (2020)

kjellsbells

On the topic of evil, this sketch from Mitchell and Webb stayed with me for years.

Are we the baddies?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ToKcmnrE5oY

Every villain is the hero in their own story, after all.

disposablese

I wish there were a somewhat acceptable, though controversial, way for us to distinguish between good and evil like how success is defined by disposable wealth. You can argue that society does not see it that, but there is no absolute way to denying it.

two_handfuls

> success is defined by disposable wealth

Are you sure?

alanbernstein

How about china's social credit system?

jahewson

HN Karma

aosaigh

This is a good read for fans of the the show. I don’t think the central premise of redefined evil holds up, but it’s a fun read and the analysis of their characters is spot on.

jkestner

Yeah, I never empathized with Mark and Jez so his thesis falls apart for me. Maybe he’s the baddie?

aunty_helen

That’s because it reads like a PR piece. Gauging interest or preseeding a reboot or rerelease.

enneff

That’s not how British tv works

ElCapitanMarkla

I’ll tell you what, that crack is really moreish.

mmasu

please Jez, don’t talk about crack!!

pipeline_peak

The twins! The fucking twins. I’m always on about them

danielecook

I place it in the category of “cringe humor,” and by that standard it’s more cringey than Seinfeld and curb - especially because of the first person shots. It is a great show! Well worth a watch.

yantrams

I always refer to it as cringe humour too but for the reason that it makes me physically cringe seeing how they humiliate themselves in social situations - Like NO MARK PLEASE DONT DO THAT! DONT ACT ON THAT IMPULSE PLEASE! kinda thing.

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simonw

If you haven't heard of Peep Show but you enjoyed Succession you should know that Jessie Armstrong, the creator and showrunner of Succession, was previously one half of the Jessie Armstrong and Sam Bain pair responsible for Peep Show.

I find the similarities between the two shows fascinating: in particular the way they both revel in how flawed their central characters are.

willio58

As someone who loves peepshow I might have to finally give succession a go!

tab_jockey

· Lies to a woman about accidentally killing her dog to try to sleep with her (also tries to burn the dog corpse and dispose of it)

zxexz

And then claims it’s a barbecue turkey, and eats it in front of her in an attempt to save face.

reagle

So they were the baddies?

jgalt212

> Lies to a woman about stalking her so he can continue running into her in different locations

We've all done that.

tclancy

Thass a bad miss.

(Admittedly, the next show)

phist_mcgee

The article refers to the banality of evil in realation to Eichmann. There's actually been quite a bit of historical push back on this assertion, which in some ways has been used to rehabilitate Eichmann's image as a bureaucrat. Eichmann while not the chief architect, was definitely partly responsible for the Holocaust's "success" and actively climbed the nazi hierarchy by finding a niche to fill - exterminating jewish people.

JadeNB

I always thought "the banality of evil" wasn't about minimizing the horror of his actions. It's not saying "what he did wasn't so bad," but "these horrible actions were done not by an obvious villain, but by someone personally unremarkable."

pessimizer

And people just ignore a number of very convincing anecdotes told to Lanzmann from Benjamin Murmelstein, someone who would know, including one with Eichmann personally helping trash the inside of a Vienna synagogue on Kristallnacht.

ants_everywhere

In addition to the push back there's the fact that Hannah Arendt -- who coined the phrase "banality of evil" -- was also a lover of Martin Heidegger.

Heidegger was an enthusiastic Nazi and Arendt also defended him. Some people see the "banality of evil" book as essentially being a defense of Eichmann.

tclancy

Can you supply some sources for this?

ants_everywhere

It should be in all standard encyclopedias, but it's certainly in Britannica and Wikipedia. Usually I like to cite Wikipedia, but I'll add Britannica in case people have conspiracy theories about Wikipedia. And you can read more about their romance in the other sources. The Slate article discusses her use of antisemitic sources in her books.

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Hannah-Arendt

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Martin-Heidegger-German...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannah_Arendt

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Heidegger

https://www.openculture.com/2017/05/the-love-letters-of-hann...

https://slate.com/human-interest/2009/10/troubling-new-revel...

ljlolel

It’s in Wikipedia