New colors without shooting lasers into your eyes
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·July 17, 2025georgecmu
__MatrixMan__
This is only tangentially related, but I have always wondered why chlorophyll absorbs blue and red, but reflects green--green being sunlight's brightest component.
It's almost as if there was some evolutionary pressure towards being very visible in sunlight which is more important than evolving ways to collect as much sun energy as possible. When I guess at this I end up with something along the lines of reflected green being used as a signal to a neighboring plant: "I'm already here, grow in some other direction instead." There is some evidence that plants do this (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_shyness, https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/1365-3040.ep1160...) but it's not clear that the need to do so is so strong that it would overshadow the drive to collect as much energy as possible.
Or perhaps there's something to do with the physics of absorbing light to drive a chemical reaction that makes it better to absorb at red and blue while passing on green (450nm and 680nm are not harmonics--so if this is the case it's more complex than which sorts of standing waves would fit in some chemical gap or other).
amelius
Red is nature's warning signal, and blue was already taken by the sky, so the only option left was green.
Just kidding of course, it is an interesting question.
andyfilms1
This is a good biological explanation. The physical explanation is, if the sensitivities didn't overlap, our spectral sensitivity would not be continuous. There would be valleys of zero sensitivity between the cones, and a continuous wavelength sweep would result in us seeing black bands between colors.
aetherson
Gray bands, or more realistically just desaturated bands. There'd still be sensitivity to light through rods (black and white), and even if the peaks of wavelength sensitivity were highly separated there would still be some cone response to wavelengths that didn't stimulate them strongly.
im3w1l
> So, only some (heterozygous) females in these species typically have full trichromatic vision
Wow that's wild how heterozygousity can be that helpful. Makes you wonder if there are other genes like that.
TheAceOfHearts
To me it looked like the circle outline had a shimmering aura, it felt very magical. This was a incredibly delightful experience so I just want to say thanks for posting it.
When the circle was around the halfway point of shrinking the color looked the most vivid for me, so be sure to wait the whole duration.
soared
You can also look at the background about halfway through and get a large circle of the new color, the same size as the original circle.
bozhark
Similar, an extremely bright and magnificent teal-ish green with a vibrant yellow edge was dancing around the edge of the circle
peterisza
A bit unrelated but I found this interesting: water is transparent only within a very narrow band of the electromagnetic spectrum, so living organisms evolved sensitivity to that band, and that's what we now call "visible light".
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/Chemical/imgche/w...
andyferris
Given the fluid inside your eyeball is mostly water, this is probably very related.
It’s interesting (kinda optimal) that different cones explore near both edges.
dennis_jeeves2
Interesting, given that most life is water based, most life will respond the most to this spectrum.
blincoln
I did a custom combination of yellow outer field, blue inner circle, and got a vibrant purple halo, which is not what I expected. I assumed it would be "yellow++", based on what I know about the human eye's colour sensitivity.
I didn't expect a strong effect, because the overlap between blue and red/green is so much less than the overlap between red and green, but bright purple is close to the opposite of what I expected. I'm genuinely puzzled.
weinzierl
"If you’re colorblind, I don’t think these will work, though I’m not sure."
Should work for anomalous trichromats (by far the majority of people with color deficiencies) but probably with less intensity.
"Folks with deuteranomaly have M cones, but they’re shifted to respond more like L cones."
I don't think this is true. What would the difference between deutan and protan then be?
"Why do you hallucinate that crazy color? I think the red circle saturates the hell out of your red-sensitive L cones. Ordinarily, the green frequencies in the background would stimulate both your green-sensitive M cones and your red-sensitive L cones, due to their overlapping spectra. But the red circle has desensitized your red cones, so you get to experience your M cones firing without your L cones firing as much, and voilà—insane color."
I think only people with missing L cone (Protanopia) or M cone (Deiteranopia) would not experience the phenomenon at all.
Maybe this could be used as a new type of color deficiency test?
pixelpoet
Incidentally the linked Skytopia page is that of Daniel White, who originally described the Mandelbulb: https://www.skytopia.com/project/fractal/mandelbrot.html / https://www.skytopia.com/project/fractal/mandelbulb.html
perching_aix
> If you refused to look at the animation, it’s just a bluish-green background with a red circle on top that slowly shrinks down to nothing. That’s all. But as it shrinks, you should hallucinate a very intense blue-green color around the rim.
I do not believe I have any kind or amount of colorblindness, so imagine my surprise when extremely confused I pulled the image into MS Paint, used the Color Picker tool, and found that indeed, the background has quite a bit of blue in it.
Anyhow, I cannot reproduce the illusion cited. For me the circle just blurs out and I start seeing orange.
stouset
I did see the illusion but I just did a double-take. That image looks just straight green to me. I suppose I could imagine it being greener somehow, but blue!?
I have a slight deuteranomaly. I did see the illusion. Pretty!
blincoln
If you make the outer colour yellow using the custom colour option, and the inner circle red, do you see a an aurora-green halo? Or if you make the outer circle yellow and the inner circle green, do you see a red halo?
perching_aix
> If you make the outer colour yellow using the custom colour option, and the inner circle red, do you see a an aurora-green halo?
You mean this, right? https://dynomight.net/img/colors/generate.html?inside=ff0000...
The background turns green (???) eventually, kind of like as if ink started to spread across it.
Or you meant full yellow (255r, 255g, 0b) and full red (255r, 0g, 0b)?
> Or if you make the outer circle yellow and the inner circle green, do you see a red halo?
I used the controls this time and made the background full yellow (255r, 255g, 0b) and the inner circle full green (0r, 255g, 0b). Also adjusted the countdown speed, I realized I wasn't patient enough to wait out the 60s before ever (but that also it didn't need to be so long).
During countdown the entire image turned green. Whenever my eyes would move a bit, I'd see either a 3D shadow depth effect or a yellow aura around the circle. When the circle started getting smaller I just saw the yellow aura. Whenever I'd drastically move my eyes, the entire background would revert to yellow, but would quickly go back to seeing green.
I don't really see them being unusually saturated though, but maybe I just don't have a good grasp on what to expect. Maxed out R/G/B or C/M/Y all strike me as super saturated from the get-go.
kadoban
I am curious how these work for people with common kinds of colorblindness. The author mentions at the end that they likely don't work for that case, but they don't seem to have spent much time thinking about it.
Would it be possible to generate ones that _would_ work for specific kinds of colorblindness? Or is the entire concept doomed due to the specific way(s) that colorblind eyes are messed up?
dentemple
I have deuteranomaly, and the hallucination worked for me, and it did appear like a crazy saturated blue-green ring around the shrinking red circle.
I suspect, however, that those of us with deuteranomaly probably see a different blue-green than normal-sighted folks due to the bent color cones.
The real question is, what about the folks with Deuteranopia (no working green cones at all)?
Deuteranomaly, though, is still probably the best place to start since that's the big one that affects (some say) up to 10% of all males. Every other form of colorblindness affects a much slimmer percentage of the population.
tricolon
I have red-green weakness but only saw a lighter green around the circle as it became smaller.
qayxc
The red inside, reddish-orange outside was a little strange - I'm not colour blind, but have a really hard time distinguishing shades. As soon as I focused on the white dot, the red circle started to blend with the background and disappeared completely (was just one single colour for me). Only when it started shrinking did I hallucinated a faint green aura around it until it was gone.
kookamamie
The animation worked for me, I'm red-green colorblind.
ComplexSystems
Is this just my device, or is there no way to use this roll-your-own SVG generator to actually roll your own? I can only pick from a tiny subset of preset colors, most of which seem super random and desaturated and not what I want. There's no FFFF00 yellow, for instance. Is there some way to enter an arbitrary RGB color that I am not seeing? If not, why on Earth write such an interesting article, advertise this custom SVG generator and then build the interface that way? :/
altairprime
Does tapping on the horizontal color box to the right of the sentence “Select any color” under heading “Inside Color (Circle)” open a color picker? If not, perhaps your browser has a defective <input type=color> implementation, i.e. Firefox for Android [1796343]?
rezmason
I just want a display with a primary at 460nm. That's all I ask.
osamagirl69
It is incredible to see a concept going from 'optical table of sensitive equipment fraught with numerous safety concerns' to 'here is a 1 kB svg animation, stare at it for 1 minute' in 3 months.
Enjoy your forbidden color, you earned it!
layer8
The article however concludes: “So do the illusions actually take you outside the natural human color gamut? Unfortunately, I’m not sure. I can’t find much quantitative information about how much your cones are saturated when you stare at red circles. My best guess is no, or perhaps just a little.”
armchairhacker
This is really cool. Tangentially, it's an example of an important life lesson, "work smarter not harder". To see the impossible color, you could build a super-expensive, super-complicated laser to directly stimulate the exact cells; or you could desensitize the other ones with an optical illusion that works on a personal device (effectively zero cost and minimal complexity since it uses existing technology).
Not to say the laser is a waste, despite the above I'd argue it's very useful. It lets us test how effectively the above actually works, and has other applications.
do_not_redeem
This optical illusion isn't some brand new thing. It's been widely known since I was a child, and surely hundreds of years before that.
The laser system results in a stronger perceptual effect than you get from the illusion alone. We didn't have the technology to build it until recently. I'm certain the people who built it knew about the illusion, and it's probably what inspired the experiment in the first place.
fortyseven
That is a notion that is far easier to make in hindsight.
For whatever reason, evolution decided those wavelengths should be overlapping. For example, M cones are most sensitive to 535 nm light, while L cones are most sensitive to 560 nm light. But M cones are still stimulated quite a lot by 560 nm light—around 80% of maximum.
The reason is simple: genes coding the long wave opsins (light-sensitive proteins) in these cones have diverged from copies of the same original gene. The evolution of this is very interesting.
Mammals in general have only two types of cones: presumably they lost full color vision in the age of dinosaurs since they were primarily small nocturnal animals or lived in habitats with very limited light (subterranean, piles of leaves, etc.) Primates are the notable exception, and have evolved the third type of cone, enabling trichromatic color vision, as a result of their fruitarian specialization and co-evolution with the tropical fruit trees (same as birds, actually).
So, what's interesting is that New World and Old World primates evolved this cone independently. In Old World primates the third cone resulted from a gene duplication event on the X chromosome, giving rise to two distinct (but pretty similar) opsin genes, with sensitivity peaks at very close wavelengths. As a note, because these genes sit on the X chromosome, colorblindness (defects in one or both of these genes) is much more likely to happen in males.
New World primates have a single polymorphic opsin gene on the X chromosome, with different alleles coding for different sensitivities. So, only some (heterozygous) females in these species typically have full trichromatic vision, while males and the unlucky homozygous females remain dichromatic.
Decent wikipedia article on the subject: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_of_color_vision_in_p...
Types of opsins in vertebrates: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertebrate_visual_opsin