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`This Printer company served you malware for months, called them false positives

canvascritic

SnipVex clipjacking wallets is almost beside the point, the real failure is a printer vendor treating software like a side gig. Printer and hardware companies get a pass on basic infosec hygiene that would be unacceptable for open source maintainers.

until that changes, airgap your weird hardware setups I guess

Also this is a perfect storm for lateral movement. USB-borne worms still work frighteningly well in small biz environments, especially ones with no centralized IT and people plugging printers directly into Windows desktops with admin perms. Here SnipVex is just a cherry on top-a nice, opportunistic payload for the growing class of infostealers targeting crypto wallets

ChrisMarshallNY

> a printer vendor treating software like a side gig

This is a chronic problem with hardware vendors.

Source: Software developer for hardware companies, for over 30 years.

mcv

Unintentionally spreading malware is bad enough, but blindly dismissing reports as false positives is really bad. Verify first.

TheDong

Verify how?

Go look at the "build log" in your compromised jenkins server and download the (already compromised) build artifact and make sure it matches the mega.co.nz file?

Do you expect the average software engineer to be able to look at a .exe, pull up a disassembler, and know that all the assembly maps back to the source code?

throw903332

> basic infosec hygiene that would be unacceptable for open source maintainers

Opensource printer stack is a legacy mess. There is critical vulnerability almost every year. There are not enough money or developers to fix that!

juliangmp

The printer stack as a whole is a legacy mess.. I have an easier time getting a 3D printer to work than any inkjet machine

diggan

Maybe I got lucky, but in 2017 I bought a Brother DCP-L2520DW laser printer. No matter what OS, computer or network I connect it to, it seems to just work for everyone involved, always, and I don't think I've had a single issue with it since I got it nor did anything at all to set it up, basically installed CUPS on my desktop to get it to work and for Windows/macOS it just works.

Not affiliated, just happy user, at least some companies seem to be able to deal with it, regardless if it's open source (my stack) or not (my wife's Apple-stack).

aaviator42

> Opensource printer stack is a legacy mess.

I don't necessarily disagree, but isn't this because of extremely bad firm/soft/hardware design by the printer companies that then have to be supported by the open source stack?

Avamander

What are we talking about here?

shakna

> While some redditors speculate that the trojan was planted on purpose, there is no evidence to support this claim. Outdated malware with an inactive command-and-control server is not advantageous for any attacker nor does superinfection make sense for this scenario. A far more plausible explanation points to the absence or failure of antivirus scanning on the systems used to compile and distribute the software packages. Procolored promises to improve this process, so that it cannot happen again.

That this system is so insecure as to be hit multiple times, I don't know how much stock anyone should put in "improved processes". This is a company who seems to have gone out of their way to create an insecure environment - probably out of some frustration, but all the same, insecure.

elmt35

The printer company in question is: Procolored

yccs27

Yup, that clickbait headline should be "Procolored served customers malware for months, dismissed it as false positives" instead.

jbverschoor

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razakel

Hosting drivers on mega.co.nz.

Totally fills you with confidence.

codetrotter

I’ve seen other hardware companies that host firmware downloads for their products on Google Drive and some Chinese cloud drive. I don’t think doing that, nor Dropbox link, is different really from hosting it on Mega.

bolognafairy

Okay. It still doesn’t fill me with confidence.

MathMonkeyMan

Trust us, bro. We paid bottom dollar for this software.

jeroenhd

At least mega.co.nz is a file sharing name I recognise.

My keyboard's drivers are hosted on "egnyte.com"

djfergus

“ It is also worth noting that I contacted Procolored support four times over the course of my testing, for help with figuring out the software and settings. Every single time, the agent requested multiple times that I allow them to connect remotely to my computer”

Lammy

There's nothing wrong with Mega

msh

It implies that the company does not give a shit when they don’t even use their own web server.

jiggawatts

The worst part is that setting up static web content hosting with something like an Azure blob store, or just a NGINX server somewhere is hilariously trivial.

This is an afternoon's effort for the junior intern, but was "too hard" for these people.

whimsicalism

crazy to me that people are still writing malware in delphi

rvnx

If Bitcoin wallets would be designed properly they would ask for a second confirmation before sending 100k USD.

This may be the main thing to fix here, as it's very plausible that hacks happen again and again... by design.

Today it's an infected printer, tomorrow it will be a game on Steam.

latexr

> This may be the main thing to fix here

It’s not, because that wasn’t the problem and would not have worked. For one, nothing indicates the $100K were extracted in one go, it looks like it was cumulative. For another, this malware isn’t directly sending coins, it’s just replacing addresses in your clipboard.

cjbprime

Then the malware would provide that confirmation to the wallet too. Defending yourself from malware running on the same (Windows) machine is mostly impossible.

alpaca128

Steam already had a game with an infostealer a while ago. A pirate game.

But something like that would only be surprising if it was more than an obvious lazy asset flip.

codetrotter

That kind of confirmation does exist, it’s called using a hardware wallet, such as those made by Trezor and others.

https://trezor.io/

The bigger question is, when they said:

> G Data's research showed that the Bitcoin address linked to SnipVex had received about 9.3 BTC, roughly $100,000

How big was the largest amount stolen?

It could be a few individuals with a lot of money in their unprotected software wallets, or it could be a lot of people with relatively smaller amounts stolen from each of them.

If you only have a couple hundred dollars worth of bitcoin and don’t intend to buy any more of it then it doesn’t make much sense to spend as much on a hardware wallet as those cost. But if you have like $500 of bitcoin then it starts to make more sense. Especially if you plan on buying more of it. And if you have over a $1,000 and are still using a software wallet you should really look into getting a hardware wallet ASAP IMHO.

cm2187

The malware doesn’t send all the content of the wallet to itself, it just replaces the recipient address in the clipboard (so you wouldn’t notice unless you checked the address). The 100k I think are cumulatively, though if it is 9btc, it’s more like 1m.

johnisgood

This should be relatively easy to implement.

HPsquared

What is it with printers and (pardon the pun) shady practices?

M95D

There's only some printer companies. I'm using Epson inkjet and I never had any problems. Drivers are very good too.

gostsamo

diminishing market and margins call for extreme pressure to monitize whatever is left of the user base.

bigfatkitten

These aren’t commodity office printers. They’re UV inkjets, which are used to print artwork onto objects and cost many thousands of dollars.

raverbashing

So it sounds more like TDD (technobro driven development)

M95D

Somehow, I was expecting to be about HP.