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Databricks and Neon

Databricks and Neon

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·May 14, 2025

jamesblonde

Data warehousing is quickly becoming a commodity through open-source. I know a company who had 2PBs+ of data in Cloudera. But instead of moving to the cloud (and Databricks), they saved 5X costs by building their own analytics platform with Iceberg, Trino and Superset. The k8s operators are enterprise quality now. On-premises S3 is good, too. You can have great hardware (servers with 128 cpus and 1 TB) and networking. It's not just Trino. StarRocks and Clickhouse have enterprise grade k8s helm charts/operators. That 60bn valuation is an albtross on Databrick's neck - their pricing will have to justify it, and their core business is commoditizing.

Neon filled their product gap of not having an operational (row-oriented) DB.

hlpn

Totally agree. Happy open source StarRocks user here using the k8s operator for customer-facing analytics on terabytes of data. There's very little need for Databricks in my world.

beoberha

Congrats to the Neon team. They make an awesome product. Obviously it’s sad to see this, but it’s inevitable when you’re VC funded. Let’s hope Nikita and co remain strong and don’t let Databricks bit.io them.

Robdel12

I applied to neon last week and then the news broke about the acquisition. They rejected it this morning — I have never been happier to receive a rejection to an application.

This would’ve been three acquisitions straight for me and… I’m okay, they’re awful. I just want stability.

Congrats to the neon team! I use and love neon. Really hope this doesn’t change them too much.

no_wizard

Had personally the opposite experience. Acquisitions being one of the most interesting times to be hired into.

In a couple cases I’ve been recruited because I have a history of scaling and integrating acquisitions into companies successfully

tedivm

I got hired at Kenna Security a month before they were acquired by Cisco and it was such a miserable experience that I won't work for any company the Kenna leadership are involved with, nor would I ever consider working at Cisco.

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flanked-evergl

Maybe unrelated but Databricks is the most annoying garbage I have ever had to use. It fascinates me how anyone uses it by choice.

mritchie712

Databricks started in 2013 when Spark sucked (it still does) and they aimed to make it better / faster (which they do).

The product is still centered Spark, but most companies don't want or need Spark and a combination of Iceberg and DuckDB will work for 95% of companies. It's cheaper, just as fast or faster and way easier to reason about.

We're building a data platform around that premise at Definite[0]. It includes everything you need to get started with data (ETL, BI, datalake).

0 - https://www.definite.app/

robertkoss

I used to be a big fan of the platform because back in 2020 / 2021 it really was the only reasonable choice compared to AWS / Azure / Snowflake for building data platforms.

Today it suffers from feature creep and too many pivots & acquisitions. That they are insanely bad at naming features doesn't help either.

swalsh

Really hard disagree. Coming from hadoop, databricks is utopia. It's stable, fast, scales really well if you have massive datasets.

The biggest gripe in have is how crazy expensive it is.

willvarfar

Spark was a really big step up from hadoop.

But these days just use trino or whatever. There are lots of new ways to work on data that are all bigger steps up - ergonomically, performance and price - over spark as spark was over hadoop.

disgruntledphd2

The nice thing about spark is the scala/python/R APIs. That helps to avoid lots of the irritating things about SQL (the same transformation applied to multiple columns is a big one).

DebtDeflation

Hadoop was fundamentally a batch processing system for large data files that was never intended for the sort of online reporting and analytics workloads for which the DW concept addressed. No amount of Pig and Hive and HBase and subsequent tools layered on top of it could ever change that basic fact.

isoprophlex

The market for IBM-like software and platforms (everyone else uses this! It must be good!) apparently wasn't saturated yet

apwell23

Is hosting spark really that groundbreaking ? Also isn't spark kind of too complicated for 90% of enterprisey data-processing .

I really don't understand the valuation for this company. Why is it so high.

DarkWiiPlayer

With cookies disabled I get a blank website, which is a massive red flag and an immediate nope from me.

Can't imagine someone incapable of building a website would deliver a good (digital) product.

fkyoureadthedoc

They did build a website though. It even looks pretty nice. The restriction you've placed on yourself just prevents you from viewing it.

fuzzy_biscuit

But.. but.... we MUST track you! That's the whole purpose of our site /s

acd10j

Databricks is Oracle-level bad. They will definitely ruin Neon or make it expensive. In the medium to long term, I will start looking for Neon alternatives.

bradhe

Definitely agree, their M&A strategy is setup to strangle whoever they buy and they don't even know it. They're struggling in the face of Iceberg, DuckDB and the other tectonic shifts happening in the open source world. They are trying to innovate through acquisition, but can't quite make it because their culture kills the companies they buy.

I'm biased, I'm a big-data-tech refugee (ex-Snowflake) and am working on https://tower.dev right now, but we're definitely seeing the open source trend supported by Iceberg. It'll be really interesting to see how this plays out.

higeorge13

Congratz to neon team (i like what they built), but i don’t see the value or relation to databricks. I hope neon will continue as a standalone product, otherwise we lose a solid postgres provider from the market.

rockwotj

Its pretty heavy in Azure, so I would be surprised if it went away. This is DBX play to move into the transactional database space in addition to the analytical database.

presentation

They claim they will in the FAQ… but we know how this usually goes

timmg

I remember the first post by the Neon team here on HN. I think I commented at the time that I thought it was a great idea. I’ve never had a need to use them yet, but thought I always would.

Cynically, am I the only one who takes pause because of an acquisition like this? It worries me that they will need to be more focused on the needs of their new owners, rather than their users. In theory, the needs should align — but I’m not sure it usually works out that way in practice.

avinassh

> I remember the first post by the Neon team here on HN. I think I commented at the time that I thought it was a great idea.

Same! I remember it too. I found it quite fascinating. Separation of storage and compute was something new to me, and I was asking them about Pageserver [0]. I also asked for career advice on how to get into database development [1].

Two years later, I ended up working on very similar disaggregated storage at Turso database.

Congrats to the Neon team!

[0] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31756671

[1] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31756510

kaeshiwaza

Taking a pause also... I don't believe serving IA can be aligned to serving devs. I hope that the part of the work related to the core of PostgreSQL will help the community.

jlengrand

Congrats folks at Neon! Been following the team and product since the very beginning. Well done, good DX and good education content too :).

This seems like quite the pivot though

davidgomes

Hey everyone, I'm an engineer at Neon and I wanted to share this FAQ which covers a lot of the questions that are being brought up in the comments here:

https://neon.tech/databricks-faq

We're really excited about this, and will try to respond to some of the questions people have here later.

jorams

For what it's worth the questions can't really be answered by a simple FAQ, because history has shown that those answers aren't worth the page they're written on. Many companies that get bought talk all about the fact that nothing is going to change.

Something is always going to change, almost always in a way that impacts customers. In the best case it's something simple like a different name on the bill, other times it will leave customers scrambling for an alternative before a ridiculous deadline. It could happen within weeks, after a month, or it might take a year. The answers at the time of the announcement are the same regardless.

ranguna

The FAQ, as meaningless as history as shown it is, is missing one key question: why?

joshstrange

That’s a nice FAQ and all but after what happened to bit.io [0] you have to understand why people (like me) are extremely worried about this.

We’ve all read glowing blog posts and reassuring FAQs enough times after an acquisition only to see a complete about-face a few months or a year later.

I quite enjoyed using Neon but as a solo founder running my business on Neon I can’t help but think it’s insanity to not be looking for alternatives.

Databricks is _not_ a company I trust at all.

[0] if you don’t know, databricks acquired bit.io and shut down all databases within 30 days. Production databases had <30 days to migrate.

felixrydberg

Will there be a statement about the OSS nature of Neon?

tristan957

I'm also an engineer at Neon. The plan is to continue developing Neon as an Apache-2.0 licensed software.

dan_goosewin

> Neon is valued at $1B;

Neon is still early‑stage and, AFAIK, not profitable. It’s a perfect snapshot of 2025: anything that’s (1) serverless, and (2) even vaguely AI‑adjacent is trading at a multiple nobody would have believed two years ago. Also supports my hypothesis that the next 12 months will be filled with cash acquisitions.

> Databricks will ruin Neon;

I certainly hope not. Focus on DX, friendly free tier, and community support is what made it special. If that vanishes behind Databricks’ enterprise guardrails, the goodwill will vanish with it.

kjuulh

Congratulations to the Neon team.

To be honest this is a little sad for me. I'd hoped that Neon would be able to fill the vacuum left by CockroachDB going "business source"

Being bought by DataBricks makes Neon far less interesting to me. I simply don't trust such a large organisation that has previously had issues acquiring companies, to really care about what is pretty much the most important infrastructure I've got.

There certainly is enough demand for a more "modern" postgresql, but pretty much all of the direct alternatives are straying far from its roots. Whether it be pricing, compatibility, source available etc.

Back when I was looking at alternatives to postgres these were considered:

1. AWS RDS: We were already on AWS RDS, but it is expensive, and has scaling and operations issues

2. AWS Aurora: The one that ended up being recommended, solved some operations issues, but came with other niche downsides. Pretty much the same downsides as other wire compatible postgresql alternatives

3. CockroachDB: Was very interesting, wire compatible, but had deeper compatibility issues, was open source at the time, it didn't fit with our tooling

4. Neon: Was considered to be too immature at the time, but certainly interesting, looked to be able to solve most of our challenges, maybe except for some of the operations problems with postgresql, I didn't look deeper into it at the time

5. Yugabyte: interesting technology, had some of the same compatibility issues, but less that the others, as they're also using the query engine from postgresql as far as I can tell.

There are also various self hosting utilities for PostgreSQL I looked at, specifically CloudPG, but we didn't have the resources to maintain a stateful deployment of kubernetes and postgres ourselves. It would fulfill most of our requirements, but with extra maintenance burden, both for Kubernetes and PostgreSQL.

Hosting PostgreSQL by itself, didn't have mature enough replication and operations features by itself at that point. It is steadily maturing, but as we'd got many databases manual upgrades and patches would be very time consuming, as PostgreSQL has some not so nice upgrade quirks. You basically have to unload and reload all data during major upgrades. Unless you use extensions and other services to circumvent this issue.

tuukkah

> 5. Yugabyte: interesting technology, had some of the same compatibility issues, but less that the others, as they're also using the query engine from postgresql as far as I can tell.

Neon is Postgres.

kjuulh

That is why I was hopeful for Neon unlike a lot of the other ones. Yugabyte however isn't just postgres.

phrotoma

> same downsides as other wire compatible postgresql alternatives

I'm interested if you'd care to elaborate.

kjuulh

Mainly in relation to notify/listen and advisory locks. Most of our code bases use advisory lock based migration tools. It would be a large lift moving to an alternative or building a migration scheduler out of process