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Why is OpenAI buying Windsurf?

Why is OpenAI buying Windsurf?

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·April 20, 2025

yumraj

Prediction:

OpenAI will buy Windsurf and then make it free with one of the cheaper OpenAI plans, effectively trying to kill the other IDEs and getting access to data which helps it compete/better against Claude and Gemini.

Google needs to launch its equivalent, and Anthropic needs to figure out their plan.

goopthink

Why couldn’t OpenAI vibe code their own Windsurf/Cursor competitor? (Serious question).

OpenAI is a technology company constantly in search of productization (ChatGPT, Sora, Dall-e), and they’ve been really good at creating product interest that converts to acquisition. An IDE is much more complex than a chat app, but given their literal billions of dollars and familiarity with developer tooling, this is a down-stack build that they could dogfood off their own tech. And especially given that some of these tools were built by tiny teams (Cursor is what, 10 people?), is this like Google and Facebook’s implicit admission that they can’t “build and grow” anymore, and need to turn to acquisitions to fuel growth?

ivanbalepin

it still takes time to spec out, build and sell to a comparable size user base, even with 10 people. And you're not guaranteed the same results if you just try to clone all of that. If the price is right, why not take the shortcut.

echan00

They could. They prob need talent though, considering how much fish they're frying

1zael

They are just too focused on more important problems to solve, primarily around model improvement and getting to AGI.

_jab

A few thoughts:

1) I agree that the moat for these companies is thin. AFAICT, auto-complete, as opposed to agentic flows, is Cursor's primary feature that attracts users. This is probably harder than the author gives it credit for; figuring out what context to provide the model is a non-obvious problem - how do you tradeoff latency and model quality? Nonetheless, it's been implemented enough times that it's mostly just down to how good is the underlying model.

2) Speaking of models, I'm not sure it's been independently benchmarked yet, but GPT 4.1 on the surface looks like a reasonable contestant to back auto-complete functionality. Varun from Windsurf was even on the GPT 4.1 announcement livestream a few days ago, so it's clear Windsurf does intend to use them.

3) This is probably a stock deal, not a cash deal. Not sure why the author is so convinced this has to be $3B in cash paid for Windsurf. AFAIK that hasn't been reported anywhere.

4) If agentic flows do take off, data becomes a more meaningful moat. Having a platform like Cursor or Windsurf enables these companies to collect telemetry about _how_ users are coding that isn't possible just from looking at the repo, the finished product. It opens up interesting opportunities for RLHF and other methods to refine agentic flows. That could be part of the appeal here.

sebastiennight

> Having a platform like Cursor or Windsurf enables these companies to collect telemetry about _how_ users are coding that isn't possible just from looking at the repo, the finished product.

If you are powering the API for the underlying model, then don't you know exactly how users are coding?

Since all of it is included in the context fed to your model.

NitpickLawyer

> If you are powering the API for the underlying model, then don't you know exactly how users are coding?

You have the code, but not all the other signals. An easy example is "acceptance signal" where someone gets an autocompletion and accepts it / rejects it. It can get more complicated with the /architect mode and so on, but there's probably lots of signals that you can get from an IDE that you can't just by serving API responses.

peed

1) is out-of-date. Cursor started with auto-complete, but is all about agentic flows now.

Falimonda

Agentic flows will soon overtake auto-complete. Models like claude sonnet 3.5 were already good enough, albeit requiring the user to actively limit context length.

Most recently, gemini 2.5 pro makes the agentic workflow usable, and how!

canadiantim

What agentic workflow are you using with Gemini 2.5? Is there a Claude Code that uses Gemini 2.5?

ChadNauseam

It can be used with Aider. Although I absolutely hate the way that Gemini 2.5 writes Rust. It writes it like it's a C++ developer who skimmed the Rust reference yesterday. Perhaps it's great for other languages though

boleary-gl

There are a LOT of IDE extensions that allow for agentic workflows with Gemini 2.5 pro and flash

greymalik

Aider or GitHub Copilot should work.

theahura

I mention in the footnotes that this is likely a stock deal!

I didn't think about telemetry for RL, that's very interesting

imtringued

If it's a stock deal that's even worse, since OpenAI is saying that their stock is definitely worth less than $3 billion.

kace91

>Some are better at the auto complete (Copilot), others at the agent flow (Claude Code). Some aim to be the best for non-technical people (Bolt or Replit), others for large enterprises (again, Copilot). Still, all of this "differentiation" ends up making a 1-2% difference in product. In fact, I can't stress enough how much the UX and core functionality of these tools is essentially identical.

Is this exclusively referring to the ux or full functionality?

Because I can tell you straight away that cursor (Claude) vs copilot is not a 1% difference. Most people in my company pay their own cursor license even though we have copilot for available for free.

Jcampuzano2

Agreed, although we're strictly prohibited from using cursor at work in enterprise, though they have been in discussion for an enterprise license.

I use cursor for personal work though and it's night and day, even with the recent copilot agent mode additions. I told my CTO who asked about it if we should look into cursor and I told him straight up that in comparison copilot is basically useless.

nativeit

What are the most dramatic differences?

aerhardt

I don't use Cursor (I'm on Jetbrains) but from what I read it must be the autocomplete. Github Copilot is literally unusable. I've tried it many times in the last month and everything it suggests is stupid and utterly wrong. The suggestions are not subtly wrong - they often have nothing to do with what I'm working on. It wasn't this bad at the beginning. Mind you, I code mainly in Python, pretty common stuff most of the time.

I keep reading here that Cursor has great autocomplete so we could be talking about a 1000% improvement compared to Copilot rather than 1% as on of the other commenters is positing.

mellosouls

cursor (Claude) vs copilot is not a 1% difference

This is true, but as a user of both and champion of Cursor - VS Code Copilot is quickly catching up.

theahura

Can you say more?

I was referring to UX, as that is the main product. Cursor isn't providing their own models, or at least most people that I'm aware of are bringing their own keys.

I haven't used copilot extensively but my understanding is that they now have feature parity at the IDE level, but the underlying models aren't as good.

kace91

>Can you say more?

My experience is that copilot is basically a better autocomplete, but anything beyond a three liner will deviate from current context making the answer useless - not following the codebase's convention, using packages that aren't present, not seeing the big picture, and so on.

In contrast, cursor is eerily aware of its surroundings, being able to point out that your choice of naming conflicts with somewhere else, that your test is failing because of a weird config in a completely different place leaking to your suite, and so on.

I use cursor without bringing my own keys, so it defaults to claude-3.5-sonnet. I always use it in composer mode. Though I can't tell you with full certainty the reasons for its better performance, I strongly suspect it's related to how it searches the codebase for context to provide the model with.

It gets to the point that I'm frequently starting tasks by dropping a Jira description with some extra info to it directly and watching it work. It won't do the job by itself in one shot, but it will surface entry points, issues and small details in such a way that it's more useful to start there than from a blank slate, which is already a big plus.

It can also be used as a rubber duck colleague asking it whether a design is good, potential for refactorings, bottlenecks, boy scouting and so on.

rfoo

> Cursor isn't providing their own models

For use cases demanding the most intelligent model, yes they aren't.

However, there are cases that you just can't use best models due to latency. For example next edit prediction, and applying diffs [0] generated by the super intelligent model you decided to use. AFAIK, Cursor does use their own model for these, which is why you can't use Cursor without paying them $20/mo even if you bring your own Anthropic API key. Applying what Claude generated in Copilot is just so painfully slow to the point that I just don't want to use it.

If you tried Cursor early on, I recommend you update your prior now. Cursor had been redesigned about a year ago, and it is a completely different product compared to what they first released 2 years ago.

[0] We may not need a model to apply diff soon, as Aider leaderboard shows, recent models started to be able to generate perfect diff that actually applies.

theahura

(I most recently used cursor in October before switching to Avante, so I suspect I've experienced the version of the tool you're talking about. I mostly didn't use the autocomplete, I mostly used the chat-q&a sidebar.)

tyleo

Agreed, I’ve used both at work and personal projects. Copilot auto complete is great but it isn’t ground breaking. Cursor has built near entire features for me.

I think copilot could get there TBH. I love most Microsoft dev tools and IDEs. But it really isn’t there yet in my opinion.

OxfordOutlander

It is a talent and a distribution play. Talent: obvious.

Distribution: OpenAI believes the marginal token they sell will be accretive to their bottom line, so the goal then is to deliver as many tokens as possible. Windsurf already has 1k+ enterprise logos and allegedly millions of downloads. 2 m tokens × $0.00001 gross / token = $20/seat/mo; if windsrf runs 500k seats, oai books $120 m/yr gross @ 90% margin.

I saw a similar dynamic play out in the UK with Pub (bar) companies. By mid-2000s, the major players were failing. Margins were nearly zero, thanks to rising costs, and securlar decline in demand, plus they had too much expensive term debt.

But they represented profitable sources of distribution for the beer makers. So Heineken went on a buying spree. They didn't care about making money from the pubs themselves and were happy to run them break-even. This is because they then had a controlled channel of distribution for their beer (and they made a profit on every pint they shipped).

The switching costs are very different here, and the market is still so nascent. It is a thin product and vscode‑copilot can catchup. But 1% of enterprise value ($3bn of $300bn) is not a lot to gamble on owning the #2 horse in the most promising AI end market today.

theahura

I mention distribution in the post, and reasons to be skeptical of that as the primary driver (though I agree that may be the case)

Re talent, I'm not sure how big windsurf is, but aren't these teams generally quite small? $3b for a small team still seems quite high, especially since (afaik) their core area of expertise is more in UX and product than in ml research. That's not to say that UX and product aren't worth acquiring, just that the price tag is surprising if that's the primary justification.

benjaminwootton

What’s the net margin? Is anyone making money on inference yet?

mrcwinn

This is poor analysis. It claims OpenAI is spending “3 of its 40” billion in raised capital on Windsurf. Who said this was an all cash deal?

And so if you’re purchasing with equity in whole or in part, the critical question is, do you believe this product could be worth more than $3b in the future? That’s not at all a stretch.

Cursor is awfully cozy with Anthropic, as well, and so if I’m OpenAI, I don’t mind having a competitive product inserted into this space. This space, by the way, that is at the forefront of demonstrating real value creation atop your platform.

theahura

(I mention in the footnotes that this is likely a stock deal!)

WA

Ironically, 3 billion is proof that these tools do not work as expected and won’t replace coders in the near future.

Otherwise, why spend 3 billion if you could have it cooked up by an AI coding agent for (almost) free?

JambalayaJimbo

Existing customer base?

arczyx

OpenAI has way more users and brand recognition than Windsurf. If they decide to make their own code editor and marketed it, I'm pretty sure its customer base will surpass Windsurf's relatively quickly.

dang

Recent and related:

OpenAI looked at buying Cursor creator before turning to Windsurf - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43716856 - April 2025 (115 comments)

OpenAI in Talks to Buy Windsurf for About $3B - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43708725 - April 2025 (44 comments)

g8oz

Reminds me of Snowflake purchasing Streamlit. A sign of a big wallet and slowing internal execution on the part of the purchaser rather than an indication of the compelling nature of the acquisition.

ramraj07

800 million for streamlit is still the most mind-blowing acquisition story I've heard. Codeium being a few bill sounds reasonable for that.

mosdl

The snowflake marketplace was/is such a mess. I always wondered what caused them to choose streamlit.

stevenjgarner

The article opines "though it makes me wonder just how bad OpenAI's relationship with Microsoft has gotten if they no longer have access to GitHub". Is their relationship known to be souring?

phillipcarter

To me it's fairly straightforward.

OpenAI is predominantly a consumer AI company. Anthropic has also won over developer hearts and minds since Claude 3.5. Developers are also, proportionally, the largest uses of AI in an enterprise setting. OpenAI does not want to be pigeonholed into being the "ChatGPT company". And money spent now is a lot cheaper than money spent later.

But this is all just speculation anyways.

ramoz

It’s a vehicle that can hit the enterprise, broad user base, training data, and gain coverage of a competitor market (I’m sure the primary LLM in windsurf is Claude just like it is in cursor).

Beyond that, these IDEs have a potential path to “vibe coding for everyone” and could possibly represent the next generation of general office tooling. Might as well start with a dedicated product team vs spinning up a new one.