Wikipedia, says its bandwidth costs have gone up 50% since Jan 2024
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·April 2, 2025jjice
acdha
Their entire industry is built on not paying for data. They aren’t going to spend their own money optimizing this until they have to pay the costs for their design choices.
damnesian
Spending money to make money is one of the pillars of capitalism. Getting things for free is anathema. Isn't it strange no one is calling out tech billionaires for "communism" yet the social safety net we need and pay for gets that ding on the daily?
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bsimpson
I used to be a Wikipedia donor, until there was an article that made the rounds a few years ago that argued that Wikipedia-the-website is essentially funded in perpetuity, and that the "Jimmy Wales needs your help or kittens will die" scarebanners are actually raising money for the Wikimedia foundation to spend on its own political ends.
danpalmer
"its own political ends" being Wikipedia shaped things, that seems like a fairly good thing to donate to.
jjice
I’m personally cool with Wikimedia doing whatever they want with their notations since it’s public and everything, but the donation banners definitely lead you to believe that it goes directly towards hosting if you don’t dive in.
tgsovlerkhgsel
And that unless people donate right now, Wikipedia is actually at risk.
I've seen far too many comments of people who fell for that lie and donated even though they really didn't have money to spare, because the fear of losing such an important resource drove them to it.
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bsimpson
I found the Twitter thread that I believe was the source of this; claims that they granted money to culture war institutions:
https://x.com/echetus/status/1579776106034757633
I love Wikipedia as a free source of history, but I have no interest in donating money to them as a proxy in the culture war.
danpalmer
Then we disagree on the value of Wikipedia. "History" has historically been written by those in positions of power and is biased by that. It feels very much in line with Wikipedia's value proposition of being a "free source of history" that they are trying to improve equity and unbias that source by adding more underrepresented voices. Funding racial equity programs seems a reasonable way of achieving that.
This thread (public link: https://nitter.net/echetus/status/1579776106034757633) mostly suggests that is where that funding is going. It also picks on a few specific cases and positions them as bad, but given that the thread is written from the standpoint that racial equity is bad, I'm not inclined to take the couple of cherry picked examples at face value. There are valid reasons to critique them.
drewbeck
As far as I can tell “culture war” here means fighting racism, or fighting racism specifically in a way that you don’t like. Please correct me if I’m wrong.
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rvba
It is not wikipedia shaping things. It's politics, travel and lunches.
The foundation does not csre about wikipedia. They dont even try to clean it up from the agents who "shape" articles. You very often can see a situation where two admins help each other. Nobody reviews this really. I mean you can ask a "check user" - who will decline to check if the admins arent sock puppet accounts / multi accounts.
Nobody from foundation fights the deletionist, dishonest admin clique and people who discourage everyone feom editing wikipedia by racing to have the most reverts.
(Also what is with the random quotes added to every article now, that look like writing of 12 year olds. No more concise articles)
palata
But that's not Wikipedia.
Because the Wikimedia Foundation has Wikipedia, which I love, doesn't mean I love (or even know) everything the Wikimedia Foundation does. I would donate to Wikipedia, but they apparently don't need it.
Same thing for Firefox: I would donate to Firefox, but I have to give to Mozilla that does a bunch of other stuff and doesn't even treat Firefox the way I would want them to. So I don't donate.
random3
Somehow you have a problem donating to a free service that has imense utility, because of some random reasons someone posted online, but likely paying for tons of other crap that is proven to finance various stuff that you’d be against, but have no clue it’s happening.
chneu
The wikimedia foundation spends a ton of money on nonsense stuff. Look it up, a lot of people don't like the wikimedia foundation for very valid reasons.
The constant calls for donations are to support the foundation, not the website, but they make it look like Wikipedia could disappear at any moment.
Their cost for bandwidth is a rounding error vs their salaries and other costs that the foundation racks up.
patrick451
Same. After learning that Wikipedia is not, in fact, about to go off the internet for lack of funds, I came to hold a very dim view Wikipedia organization.
basisword
The reason?
>> a rise they attribute to AI crawlers. AI companies are killing the open web by stealing visitors from the sources of information and making them pay for the privilege
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explain
Shouldn't be paying for bandwidth.
thunderfork
No such thing as a free lunch - whatever balance sheet it lands on, every byte of every request costs someone something.
sitkack
How to tell people you don’t know how carrier grade internet connections work.
Affric
Yep but Wikipedia exists to freely disseminate information to humans. Should they pay for the bandwidth for AI agents?
stefan_
No, the link exists, every second you saturate it or not, and if not it's just lost bytes.
urda
That's not how bandwidth metering works at all.
explain
Bandwidth is dirt cheap. I do 30 petabytes per month.
nullpoint420
I assume it’s for work, but man am I jealous. Cox Internet has me on a 1TB/mo cap.
sien
From 'What it Costs to Run Wikipedia'
Wikipedia spends $US 3m on hosting in 2024. They spend $US 107m on salaries.
So their hosting costs might have gone to, say, $US 5m at the outside.
That is they are maybe 1/20th of their salary cost.
AI's extra scraping might be a problem for some folks. But for wikipedia to talk about the percentage increase is disingenuous.
Source :
https://www.saastr.com/what-is-costs-to-run-wikipedia-3m-in-...
redundantly
An increase in bandwidth costs is an increase. There's nothing disingenuous about that.
I imagine it also takes a toll on server, power, and maintenance (staff time) costs as well.
atonse
But a 50% increase of a relatively small amount is still a relatively small amount.
So it helps to show exactly how much more.
basisword
I don't understand the argument here. If your company had hosting costs increase this much and said "hey sien, we're going to cover the costs by cutting your salary" I don't think you'd be thrilled. Non-profits have staff and they have to pay them.
kshacker
I think the fine print in a report is not an issue but the incendiary blue sky headline is.
falcor84
> Non-profits have staff and they have to pay them.
Being the devil's advocate, there are are quite a lot of smaller non-profits that are entirely volunteer-run. While Wikipedia's mission might inherently be big enough to merit a few salaried employees, I can't fathom why they need so many. As per Wilde's famous quip, it seems to me that "the bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy".
jachee
> Being the devil's advocate
Honestly, just don’t. The world doesn’t really need hypothetical antagonism anymore.
How lazy are these people scraping Wikipedia that they can do a bit of research to see there’s an entire dump provided by Wikipedia directly?
https://dumps.wikimedia.org/