Tesla sales drop 35% in San Diego County

I don't think true FSD is possible without lidar.

Tesla employs a lot of Americans, so this is going to hurt them, not just Elon.

There’s been no talk of military attacks against Canada and Greenland/Denmark to my knowledge (as a Canadian).

Do you have a link?

Fascism. Just rebrand.

It looks like it was invented by a satirical 'news' site: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/elon-musk-bud-light-tweets...

Accuses people without evidence, and so do I.

This article isn't about arson. It's about a drop in sales.

it's tough to fight against fascism without the use of violence or a very heavy threat of violence. I think that most major changes in history show this to be true.

barely anyone would even mention a regular protest in front of dealerships.

There is a widespread boycott and a bunch of peaceful protests. There are a few instances of arson and zero instances of terrorism.

I'm tired of right wing media sensationalizing the handful of radicals and ignoring the thousands and million of peaceful people. Just like during George Floyd protests.

If they want to get American debt under control why did they fire a bunch of people at the IRS such that it's predicted we will see half a trillion in fresh losses to tax cheats this season? https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2025/03/22/irs-tax-r...

Federal employees cost less than 5% of the fed budget which is $6000B. So if you lay off 10% of employees you are effectively reducing the budget by like $30B which leaves $5970B left.

Laying off employees will not help federal government debt or budget.

> what DOGE is doing is getting American debt under control

I'm suprised anyone buys this line. Trump's 2025 GOP budget would increase deficits by $6 trillion [1]. Its end game is to increase tax cuts for the rich.

The cuts DOGE has done are likely to be reversed in costly court battles that will make the single-digit billions [2] Musk may have saved less than the costs of the fights. All of that is before considering the second-order economic effects of e.g. shutting down large sections of our national parks ahead of the summer season [3].

[1] https://budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu/issues/2025/2/27/fy202...

[2] https://www.npr.org/2025/03/01/nx-s1-5313853/doge-savings-re...

[3] https://www.npr.org/2025/02/26/nx-s1-5307908/national-parks-...

American gov was built with checks and balances. Eroding those is destroying American government. Yes, maybe it's just you.

The idea is a sound one. However many see the approach being taken as reckless, lacking in accountability, and based on specious claims (much of what we know of the progress is self-reported by Musk, some of which has been disproven by fact checkers). Moreover, arguments against his actions are often met with straw men arguments about spending reduction instead of addressing his actions specifically.

The Executive does not control what money is spent. That is for Congress to decide, no? I think this is described in a document called the Constitution.

American Government ≠ America, and I think a lot of people mix the two.

Some people want what large, vastly-reaching governments provide. They just need to be aware that the people who run the government can change. The power you give to one "side" can be inherited by the other "side". People should always be wary of giving that power away, because you never know who will have it next.

It's about the separation of powers. Law-making, adjudication, and execution should be separate branches so that no one branch gets too much power, as that will lead to dictatorship. When Trump and Musk are ignoring judges' orders and going ahead with their sledgehammering, it sets a dangerous precedent for what the POTUS can get away with.

Ofc there's more to this story than just DOGE too.

I've had a chevy volt since 2014 and it's amazing at this. 30+ mile range gets me all the local travel that I need daily plus the gas range makes roadtrips completely stress free since I can just go get gas.

The EV6 is the other car I've been thinking about, actually. I'm going to need to test-drive both some weekend we're not busy with the work on the new house.

12v battery issues have disabled teslas too. When dead, some cars have 12v wires behind a trim panel to power the car to open the hood or a door.

I've had one since late 2022, best car I've owned. Unfortunately most EV6 owners do end up replacing the 12V (myself included).

The capacitive controls are only on the GT Line trim; the Wind has physical controls for those button.

There's a bunch of cool EVs being sold in Europe and China that we don't get access to because we have to protect Tesla's sales.

While their European production lines were down because of the switch to the new Y "Juniper" version?

Of course sales are down if you start the quarter with near zero inventory and shutdown your factory.

Also, the Y lines were also down in the US and in Shanghai. It was the first time they launched a new version globally and simultaneously.

I imagine, if the cultural signal is not the issue (which would be weird cars are perhaps the second most signaling purchase someone makes) it’s the resale value.

All teslas have cratered in value a minuscule number of them have been vandalized.

It's also possible that people who were interested in buying a Tesla are not interested in buying a car from a man who will sig heil twice in public. There are actually still a lot of people that find Nazis revolting.

Indeed. There were probably a lot of January purchases (pre-salute and salute fallout) that were delivered in February; and that was only the start.

Boycott is not the same a burning cars. The sales of the car I own are going down in general, but the only way it affects me is that I know the software bug won't be fixed.

Tesla owners must be scared now to get attacked.

>A 35% sales drop is pretty crazy.

It's not, if you realize they started the quarter with almost no inventory (12 days in end of December, which is nothing for an OEM with no dealership).

More importantly, they shut down the production lines for the Y model to convert them to the new 2025 Juniper version. That's 2/3 of their total sales.

You can't sell cars you have no produced, obviously. It's April-May that you have to watch for deliveries, now that they finally started shipping the new Y out of Texas.

My comment is my opinion, its neither correct or incorrect.

Car designs get dated and need refreshes every few years (my opinion). Tesla has not gone through this cycle that all other car manufacturers go through (fact?) so I think to prove itself it needs to successfully navigate that cycle.

Opinionated, politicized CEOs of consumer products is not a good idea, doesn't matter what party affiliation. Its going to cause issues with the company and the board of directors would be justified in ousting someone like that. There's just not going to be a good outcome with someone like that at the helm.

> large scale solar power storage business is growing, they manufacture batteries, they have the largest charging infrastructure for end users

Tesla’s infrastructure-sales prospects outside America have basically been hobbled for years to come. I’d argue similarly for our most-populous states.

Like, on what planet is a Canadian or California politician surviving greenlighting a Tesla project? For that matter, how many places currently leasing space to Tesla for charging infrastructure want a permanent protest magnet on their property?

Part of the reason that Tesla has been so valuable, is that is was/is seen as an investment in Elon Musk as a person, not specifically just Tesla. SpaceX is a private company, so people can't invest in that. But Tesla's stock price has in the past seen spikes and dips associated with successes and failures by SpaceX.

Right now, Musk has a decent amount of power over the domestic functions of the US Government. Regardless of your opinions about that fact, it's an objective truth that that is an economically valuable position for a person to be in. And so, Tesla stock remains high, independent of the performance of Tesla the automaker, and frankly independent of many people's opinions of what Musk is doing.

Were Musk to get booted from the current administration, and Tesla sales to increase 30%, I think the net effect of that would be a drop in Tesla stock.

Musk is inextricably tied to MAGA and global rightwing populism at this point, DOGE or no DOGE. If and when the US starts invading allies and sending Democrats to El Salvador, the brand will become unsalvageable barring Musk’s complete eviction from the company — and maybe not even then.