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Flock and Cyble Inc. Weaponize "Cybercrime" Takedowns to Silence Critics

VladVladikoff

> The site’s only input fields accept license plate numbers (which are hashed client-side before transmission and cannot be harvested)

License plates are trivially short, hashing them accomplishes no additional level of privacy if the hashes could be bruted in seconds on an antique GPU.

greyface-

If Flock truly believed that the domain name infringes on their trademark, they would file an ICANN UDRP complaint instead of Cloudflare and Hetzner abuse reports.

But they don't, because the former would require them to perjure themselves, and the latter just requires them to lie to a hosting company.

CalChris

I wonder if Flock and Cyble can be sued for fraud. There are five elements to a fraud:

  Misrepresentation of Fact
  Knowledge of Falsity
  Intent to Induce Reliance 
  Justifiable Reliance 
  Resulting Damages

softwaredoug

My city just ended our pilot Flock program. I hope others do the same.

But I think the real issue with Flock will be private security. Random Home Depot parking lots, etc.

https://www.29news.com/2025/12/17/charlottesville-ends-flock...

rrix2

The local credit union in Eugene had installed Flock cams at the entrances to all their branches. They took em down after only a few of our community members began protests out front a few branches and emailing with the CU's leadership before our city terminated our contract and removed the cams

Kim_Bruning

If these folks get in trouble, they might try hosting with Freedom.nl . It's +/- the old xs4all crew, and they might be in for some more fun in the 21st century.

_a9

Part 2: Flock and Cyble Inc. Continue to File False Notices

https://haveibeenflocked.com/news/cyble-part2

defrost

Related: Flock Said It Does Not Use Dark Web Data. Code Analysis Tells a Different Story - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46341674

cosmicgadget

> With the new Divinity game in the works, I decided to do a run as Gale in BG3.

I don't support this decision but I respect it.

Curious what the Cloudflare HNers have to say about this debacle.

citizenkeen

Is this not libel?

dawnerd

Problem is they have way more money to fight and that’s basically their whole playbook. I was caught up in a fraudulent libel claim that had to settle* back in the Twitter days. When those companies want to come after you, it’s really hard to fight back.

* no money was exchanged just some guarantees to not disclose their client and remove tweets.

therobots927

Absolutely unacceptable behavior. Wild that Americans are so distracted by pointless social issues that they haven’t even realized the ruling elite are treating them like cattle. Absolutely pathetic.

westmeal

The pointless social issues are manufactured specifically in order to distract Americans from the fact they are being treated like cattle.

chii

> are manufactured specifically

the fact that these majority do accept the distraction points to lack of intelligence and discipline in critical thinking and future planning. The populous has half the blame - not just those who do these manufacturing of distractions.

anjel

Cattle is as Cattle does

ares623

And they/we absolutely love the distraction

therobots927

Because our educational system has been dismantled

JumpCrisscross

> Wild that Americans are so distracted

There is a tonne of civic action against Flock, specifically, in the works, in many cases with successful results.

voidfunc

America is huge and there's a lot of exceptionally stupid people especially in the South and Midwest.

Not much I can do about that over here in the coastal Northeast.

hermannj314

I was offended and then I defined exceptionally stupid a few ways and all the statistics support this claim.

I'm still offended though.

Fucking a lot of smart people in Mass., Vermon, Conn., New York, Maryland, DC.

01HNNWZ0MV43FF

Like what?

CamperBob2

This is a Y Combinator company? https://www.ycombinator.com/companies/flock-safety

dang/tomhow, does Y Combinator have a code of ethics that comes into play when one of your funding recipients does something unethical and/or illegal like this?

avaer

One long-standing code is that they moderate YC companies less on HN, allowing criticisms like yours to stand: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34320816

To HN's credit I haven't seen this rule violated.

For example I wouldn't have known it was a YC company if not for your comment.

edm0nd

yeah their code of ethics is to laugh all the way to the bank and be untouchable. nothing will happen to them from YC.

mmooss

Are dang and tomhow involved at all in YC member ethics? I expect they know about ethical behavior on HN.

venturecruelty

First time?

sergiotapia

So these are the scumbags putting cameras in front of schools and sending tickets to people on Sundays. Thank you for making peoples lives materially WORSE.

sneak

Speeding tickets are not related in any way to why Flock (YC S17)* is bad.

* how I will now always refer to them

tamimio

Remember when Zuck called his fellow students at harvard who used facebook “Dumb fucks”? The US is accelerating into techno-authoritarianism, and all of these tech companies adopted “companies over countries” motto since the start, it’s not a surprise now.

bongodongobob

In the sense that the US has been anti-intellectualist for decades, I'm kind of ok with it. All the kids who fucked around in school and picked on the nerds for just existing are kind of getting their comeuppance. It's definitely cut off your nose to spite your face type shit, but does give me a little bit of joy. "You stuffed me in a locker and destroyed my social life because I read a book at lunch. I'm going to automate your job away and help billionaires make sure you'll never rise out of poverty."

CamperBob2

All the kids who fucked around in school and picked on the nerds for just existing are running the government. Not sure this is the win you're painting it as?

Terr_

I don't think "the nerds" are really dishing out much comeuppance here.

Professionally, they're marginalized by finance-bros, who actually decide what gets built and which morals get followed. Privately, everything you might want to repair or tweak or invent is still getting locked down or patented or criminalized.

venturecruelty

How much does food and electricity cost you (if the electricity is even on for you at all)? Also, uh, this isn't high school anymore, and the "nerds vs. jocks" framing says a lot more about your own internal state than it does about the state of the world, which is being run into the ground by wealthy oligarchs. If you have bad high school memories to process, that can be done elsewhere.

sneak

it’s important to contextualize that quote: he called them dumbfucks specifically because they trusted him with their data.

Aeglaecia

it is fairly evident that contextualisation is paramount in objectively assessing a situation ... in the context of having god like power over billions , it seems entirely moot to debate the merits of why such a god like individual would label his subjects as idiots ...

tamimio

The context is given, it’s all about users’ data. facebook, google, plantir, flock, you name it, the end goal is to harvest data as much as possible to sell it, profile the individuals, manipulate the public opinion (facebook did a mood-manipulation “experiment” back in 2012, you can only imagine now in the era of social media dependency and AI), invade people’s privacy, among many other things. Now add to that mix a mandatory digital ID, and let’s hear what these CEOs will call the public behind closed doors, I’m sure it’s worse than “dumb fucks”. Fun fact: Zuck early days business card printed with “I’M THE CEO, BITCH.”