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Tiny Core Linux: a 23 MB Linux distro with graphical desktop

ifh-hn

I've used many of these small Linux distros. I used to have Tiny Core in a VM for different things.

I also like SliTaz: http://slitaz.org/en, and Slax too: https://www.slax.org/

Oh and puppy Linux, which I could never get into but was good for live CDs: https://puppylinux-woof-ce.github.io/

And there's also Alpine too.

LorenDB

Puppy was the first Linux distro I ever tried since it was such a small download (250ish MB) and I had limited bandwidth. Good memories.

t_mahmood

Wondering if it would be a good idea to setup a VM with this. Setup remote connection, and intellij. Just have a script to clone it for a new project and connect from anywhere using a remote app.

It will increase the size of the VM but the template would be smaller than a full blown OS

Aside from dev containers, what are other options? I'm not able to run intellij on my laptop, is not an option

I use Nvim to ssh into my computer to work, which is fine. But really miss the full capacity of intellij

Aurornis

Ive experimented with several small distros for this when doing cross platform development.

In my experience, by the time you’re compiling and running code and installing dev dependencies on the remote machine, the size of the base OS isn’t a concern. I gained nothing from using smaller distros but lost a lot of time dealing with little issues and incompatibilities.

This won’t win me any hacker points, but now if I need a remote graphical Linux VM I go straight for the latest Ubuntu and call it day. Then I can get to work on my code and not chasing my tail with all of the little quirks that appear from using less popular distros.

The small distros have their place for specific use cases, especially automation, testing, or other things that need to scale. For one-offs where you’re already going to be installing a lot of other things and doing resource intensive work, it’s a safer bet to go with a popular full-size distro so you can focus on what matters.

silasb

moonlight / sunshine might work if you can't run it locally.

It'd be best with hardwired network though.

ornornor

Isn’t this what GitHub remote envs are (or whatever they call it)?

Never really got what it’s for.

rovr138

JetBrains has Gateway which allows connecting to a remote instance and work on it.

hdb2

> I also like SliTaz

thank you for this reminder! I had completely forgotten about SliTaz, looks like I need to check it out again!

sundarurfriend

> puppy Linux, which I could never get into

In what way? Do you mean you didn't get the chance to use it much, or something about it you couldn't abide?

samtheprogram

Wow, Slax is still around and supports Debian now too? Thanks for sharing.

projektfu

I used to use it during the netbook era, was great for that.

dayeye2006

wondering what's your typical usage for those small distros?

hamdingers

In college I used a Slax (version 6 IIRC) SD card for schoolwork. I did my work across various junk laptops, a gaming PC, and lab computers, so it gave me consistency across all of those.

Booting a dedicated, tiny OS with no distractions helped me focus. Plus since the home directory was a FAT32 partition, I could access all my files on any machine without having to boot. A feature I used a lot when printing assignments at the library.

nopakos

I use one of them to make an old EEE laptop a dedicated Pico-8 machine for my kids. [https://www.lexaloffle.com/pico-8.php]

jacquesm

I used DSL for the control of a homebrew 8' x 4' CNC plasmacutter.

ja27

I was just thinking today how I miss my DSL (Damn Small Linux) setup. A Pentium 2 Dell laptop, booted from mini-CD, usb drive for persistence. It ran a decent "dumb" terminal, X3270, and stripped down browser (dillo I believe). Was fine for a good chunk of my work day.

jbstack

They can be nice for running low footprint VMs (e.g. in LXD / Incus) where you don't want to use a container. Alpine in particular is popular for this. The downside is there are sometimes compatibility issues where packages expect certain dependencies that Alpine doesn't provide.

trollbridge

Not to disrespect this, but it used to be entirely normal to have a GUI environment on a machine with 2MB of RAM and a 40MB disk.

Or 128K of ram and 400 kb disk for that matter.

maccard

A single 1920x1080 framebuffer (which is a low resolution monitor in 2025 IMO) is 2MB. Add any compositing into the mix for multi window displays and it literally doesn’t fit in memory.

snek_case

I had a 386 PC with 4MB of RAM when I was a kid, and it ran Windows 3.1 with a GUI, but that also had a VGA display at 640x480, and only 16-bit color (4 bits per pixel). So 153,600 bytes for the frame buffer.

Dwedit

640 * 480 / 2 = 150KB for a classic 16-color VGA screen.

echoangle

Do you really need the framebuffer in RAM? Wouldn't that be entirely in the GPU RAM?

jerrythegerbil

To put it in GPU RAM, you need GPU drivers.

For example, NVIDIA GPU drivers are typically around 800M-1.5G.

That math actually goes wildly in the opposite direction for an optimization argument.

maccard

You’re assuming a discrete GPU with separate VRAM, and only supporting hardware accelerated rendering. If you have that you almost certainly have more than 2MB of ram

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znpy

Aren’t you cheating by having additional ram dedicated for gpu use exclusively? :)

sigwinch

VGA standard supports up to 256k

ErroneousBosh

Computers didn't used to have GPUs back then when 150kB was a significant amount of graphics memory.

bobmcnamara

It's so much fun working with systems with more pixels than ram though. Manually interleaving interrupts. What joy.

forinti

The Acorn Archimedes had the whole OS on a 512KB ROM.

That said, OSs came with a lot less stuff then.

xyzzy3000

That's only RISC OS 2 though. RISC OS 3 was 2MB, and even 3.7 didn't have everything in ROM as Acorn had introduced the !Boot directory for softloading a large amount of 'stuff' at boot time.

psychoslave

If that is a lot less of things not needed for the specific use case, that is still a big plus.

pastage

It was GUI defined manually by pixel coordinates, having more flexible guis that could autoscale and other snazy things made things really "slow" back then..

Sure we could go back... Maybe we should. But there are lots of stuff we take for granted to day that were not available back then.

Perz1val

Yea, but those platforms were not 64bit

monocasa

64 bit generally adds about 20% to the size of the executables and programs as t to last on x86, so it's not that big of a change.

taylodl

When I first started using QNX back in 1987/88 it was distributed on a couple of 1.4MB floppy diskettes! And you could install a graphical desktop that was a 40KB distribution!

1vuio0pswjnm7

I would like to have this again

I prefer to use additional RAM and disk for data not code

oso2k

There’s an installation option to run apps off disk. It’s called “The Mount Mode of Operation: TCE/Install”.

beng-nl

To think that the entire distro would fit in a reasonable LLC (last level cache)..

bobmcnamara

I've been wondering if I could pull the DIMM from a running machine if everything was cached.

Probably not due to DMA buffers. Maybe a headless machine.

But would be funny to see.

veqq

Like the k language!

croes

With 320x240 pixels and 256 colors

nilamo

"640k ought to be enough for everyone!"

embedding-shape

> Or 128K of ram and 400 kb disk for that matter.

Or 32K of RAM and 64KB disk for that matter.

What's your point? That the industry and what's commonly available gets bigger?

gardnr

I love lightweight distros. QNX had a "free as in beer" distro that fit on a floppy, with Xwindows and modem drivers. After years of wrangling with Slackware CDs, it was pretty wild to boot into a fully functional system from a floppy.

Someone

> QNX had a "free as in beer" distro that fit on a floppy, with Xwindows and modem drivers.

I don’t think that had the X Windows system. https://web.archive.org/web/19991128112050/http://www.qnx.co... and https://marc.info/?l=freebsd-chat&m=103030933111004 confirm that. It ran the Photon microGUI Windowing System (https://www.qnx.com/developers/docs/6.5.0SP1.update/com.qnx....)

ddalex

I never understood how that QNX desktop didn't pick up instanntly, it was amazing !

knowitnone3

because it's not free and their aim was at developers and the embedded space. How many people have even heard of QNX?

Joel_Mckay

Licensing, and QNX missed a consumer launch window by around 17 years.

Some businesses stick with markets they know, as non-retail customer revenue is less volatile. If you enter the consumer markets, there are always 30k irrational competitors (likely with 1000X the capital) that will go bankrupt trying to undercut the market.

It is a decision all CEO must make eventually. Best of luck =3

"The Rules for Rulers: How All Leaders Stay in Power"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs

api

This also underscores my explanation for the “worse is better” phenomenon: worse is free.

Stuff that is better designed and implemented usually costs money and comes with more restrictive licenses. It’s written by serious professionals later in their careers working full time on the project, and these are people who need to earn a living. Their employers also have to win them in a competitive market for talent. So the result is not and cannot be free (as in beer).

But free stuff spreads faster. It’s low friction. People adopt it because of license concerns, cost, avoiding lock in, etc., and so it wins long term.

Yes I’m kinda dissing the whole free Unix thing here. Unix is actually a minimal lowest common denominator OS with a lot of serious warts that we barely even see anymore because it’s so ubiquitous. We’ve stopped even imagining anything else. There were whole directions in systems research that were abandoned, though aspects live on usually in languages and runtimes like Java, Go, WASM, and the CLR.

Also note that the inverse is not true. I’m not saying that paid is always better. What I’m saying is they worse is free, better was usually paid, but some crap was also paid. But very little better stuff was free.

anyfoo

That famous QNX boot disk was the first thing I thought of when reading the title as well.

taylodl

Me too! And the GUI was only a 40KB distribution and was waaaaaay better than Windows 3.0!

jacquesm

And incredibly responsive compared to the operatings systems of even today. Imagine that: 30 years of progress to end up behind where we were. Human input should always run at the highest priority in the system, not the lowest.

knowitnone3

yeah but what can you do with free QNX? With tinycore, you can install many packages. What packages exist for QNX?

shiftpgdn

This is cool. My first into to a practical application of Linux in the early 2000s was using Damn Small Linux to recover files off of cooked Windows Machines. I looked up the project the other day while reminiscing and thought it would be interesting if someone took a real shot at reviving the spirit of the project.

noufalibrahim

In around 2002, I got my hands on an old 386 which I was planning to use for teaching myself things. I was able to breathe life into it using MicroLinux. Two superformatted 1.44" floppy disks and the thing booted. Basic kernel, 16 colour X display, C compiler and Editor.

I don't know if there are any other options for older machines other than stripped down Linux distros.

Romario77

I mean - DOS or it's equivalents still exist and for older computers you will probably be able to find drivers.

veganjay

I have an older laptop with a 32-bit processor and found that TinyCoreLinux runs well on it. It has its own package manager that was easy to learn. This distro can be handy in these niche situations.

bdbdbdb

Similar situation here. Have some old 32bit machines that I'm turning into writer decks. Most Linux distros have left 32bit behind so you can't just use Debian or Ubuntu and a lot of distros that aim to run on lower hardware are Ubuntu derivatives

Narishma

Same situation but I'm using NetBSD instead. I'm betting it'll still be supporting 32-bit x86 long after the linux kernel drops it.

jacquesm

Personally, I think that dropping 32 bit support for Linux is a mistake. There is a vast number of people in developing countries on 32 bit platforms as well as many low cost embedded platforms and this move feels more than a little insensitive.

devsda

I've used it around early 2010s as a live cd to fix partitions etc. Definitely recommend as a lightweight distro.

Was a little tricky to install on disk and even on disk it behaved mostly like a live cd and file changes had to be committed to disk IIRC.

Hope they improved the experience now.

hypeatei

The site doesn't have HTTPS and there doesn't seem to be any mention of signatures on the downloads page. Any way to check it hasn't been MITM'd?

lysace

Ideas to decrease risk of MITM:

Download from at least one more location (like some AWS/GCP instance) and checksum.

Download from the Internet Archive and checksum:

https://web.archive.org/web/20250000000000*/http://www.tinyc...

firesteelrain

Not foolproof. Could compute MD5 or SHA256 after downloading.

hypeatei

And compare it against what?

EDIT: nevermind, I see that it has the md5 in a text file here: http://www.tinycorelinux.net/16.x/x86/release/

maccard

Which is served from the same insecure domain. If the download is compromised you should assume the hash from here is too.

throwaway984393

Because there's big demand to mitm users of an extremely small and limited distribution from 2008?

oso2k

I love Tiny Core Linux for use cases where I need fast boot times or have few resources. Testing old PCs, Pi Zero and Pi Zero 2W are great use cases.

jacquesm

Thank you for that comment, I did not realize Pi Zero and Pi Zero 2W worked with TCL. I am brewing an application for that environment right now so this may just save the day and make my life a lot easier. Have you tried video support for the Pi specific cams under TCL?

haunter

Another small one is the xwoaf (X Windows On A Floppy) rebuild project 4.0 https://web.archive.org/web/20240901115514/https://pupngo.dk...

Showcase video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8or3ehc5YDo

iso https://web.archive.org/web/20240901115514/https://pupngo.dk...

2.1mb, 2.2.26 kernel

>The forth version of xwoaf-rebuild is containing a lot of applications contained in only two binaries: busybox and mcb_xawplus. You get xcalc, xcalendar, xfilemanager, xminesweep, chimera, xed, xsetroot, xcmd, xinit, menu, jwm, desklaunch, rxvt, xtet42, torsmo, djpeg, xban2, text2pdf, Xvesa, xsnap, xmessage, xvl, xtmix, pupslock, xautolock and minimp3 via mcb_xawplus. And you get ash, basename, bunzip2, busybox, bzcat, cat, chgrp, chmod, chown, chroot, clear, cp, cut, date, dd, df, dirname, dmesg, du, echo, env, extlinux, false, fdisk, fgrep, find, free, getty, grep, gunzip, gzip, halt, head, hostname, id, ifconfig, init, insmod, kill, killall, klogd, ln, loadkmap, logger, login, losetup, ls, lsmod, lzmacat, mesg, mkdir, mke2fs, mkfs.ext2, mkfs.ext3, mknod, mkswap, mount, mv, nslookup, openvt, passwd, ping, poweroff, pr, ps, pwd, readlink, reboot, reset, rm, rmdir, rmmod, route, sed, sh, sleep, sort, swapoff, swapon, sync, syslogd, tail, tar, test, top, touch, tr, true, tty, udhcpc, umount, uname, uncompress, unlzma, unzip, uptime, wc, which, whoami, yes, zcat via busybox. On top you get extensive help system, install scripts, mount scripts, configure scripts etc.

roscas

It is so tiny that it is http only because https was too big...