Trump pardons convicted Binance founder
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·October 23, 2025Havoc
Coffeezilla video about this is up already
NaomiLehman
I can't believe the dominant country is running this timeline.
kbd
The pardon power has been so abused these past few administrations that it's clear there should be constitutional changes in the pardon power, either congressional review, or strip it altogether.
actionfromafar
The way this is going, the President won’t need using any pardon powers, because the judges will all ask the President what the judgement should be in advance.
And the prosecutors will ask who to prosecute.
Finally only fair justice!
mktemp-d
Your forget to insert the part where the President asks the convicted defendant if they want to finance their pardon with Klarna or Affirm in the Presidential Library's checkout page
1oooqooq
if they were going to pardon everyone, at least this save costs. i guess doge was really saving us money after all /s
dylan604
Which congress do you want doing that review? The past several congresses have been unqualified to do any sort of constitutional reviewing in my opinion.
eqvinox
The U.S. is running an outdated installation of democracy. The French approach of just rebooting and reinstalling the entire thing seems like a good idea at this point. Except the populace is already badly split into warring camps.
dmix
> The French approach of just rebooting and reinstalling the entire thing seems like a good idea at this point.
Do you mean the French Revolution? If you actually read the history on that (even basic stuff beyond the "Reign of Terror") I don't think any person would want to experience that for their country. It had tons of indiscriminate violence and took a decade of chaos before they sorted out into a real government, which then resulted in Napolean's coup
collingreen
If we can't figure out how to get a Congress that most people believe in then I worry that is the beginning of the end for this government.
Hopefully we get to try from scratch a third time if that happens but I worry that collapse will be too tempting for Russia or China to not step in.
Maybe we can be lucky and get conquered by Canada first in that case? What a weird thing to think...
dylan604
From fiction, we have Clancy's sudden loss of the majority of federal elected officials which allowed for a fresh start. However, that's subject to having governors submitting senators while having elections for congress. Starting from a clean slate would be the only fix. As it is now, it's who is willing to kowtow to the biggest backers to get them over the line and stay in office. On top of the gerrymandering that all but ensures the party in control stays in control, I see no change to the status quo in my life time without an uprising.
JauntTrooper
Gerrymandering is at the heart of the rot.
dragonwriter
> If we can't figure out how to get a Congress that most people believe in then I worry that is the beginning of the end for this government.
We know, from comparative study of existing representative democracies, how to do that better (have an electoral system for the legislative branch that provides results that are substnantially more proportional than under the current system); what we don’t have is a practical way to get from where we are to where we need to be given the construction of the electoral systems in the states and nationally and the politicians and interests that has entrenched and the Constitutional amendment process.
stonogo
Approval ratings for Congress, barring a post-9/11 spike, have been under 30% for most of my life. By this standard I'd say we're in the middle of the end.
JumpCrisscross
> Which congress do you want doing that review? The past several congresses have been unqualified to do any sort of constitutional reviewing in my opinion
States can reject dumb amendments. Congress proposes amendments, the states ratify them [1].
[1] https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/article-5/
davidw
It has. But the breadth and depth of how they're being used by this one in particular is really far, far worse than other recent ones of both parties.
ajross
> these past few administrations
I remain amazed at how, again and again, no matter how specific and unique an abuse by the Trump administration is, it is always, invariably, Really Joe Biden's Fault. Like, the frame has been adopted by the MAGA base, but also the cranky left. The media does it too. Here on HN bothsidesism is a shibboleth that denotes "I'm a Serious Commenter and not a Partisan Hack".
But it leads to ridiculous whoppers like this, and ends up in practice excusing what amounts to the most corrupt regime in this country in over a century, if not ever.
No, this is just bad, on its own, absent any discussion about what someone else did. There was no equivalent pardon of a perpetrator of an impactful crime in a previous administration I can think of. I'm genuinely curious what you think you're citing?
torgoguys
>But it leads to ridiculous whoppers like this, and ends up in practice excusing what amounts to the most corrupt regime in this country in over a century, if not ever.
Amen. Preach it, brother!
>No, this is just bad, on its own, absent any discussion about what someone else did. There was no equivalent pardon of a perpetrator of an impactful crime in a previous administration I can think of. I'm genuinely curious what you think you're citing?
I don't know what the poster was referring to, but I AM mad at Biden for pardoning his family. It's a molehill of an issue compared to the current administration though.
IAmGraydon
The power to pardon needs to be removed all together. All it does is show that the President overrides the department of justice. How anyone ever thought this should be a thing, I have no idea.
munk-a
I think a congressional pardon power to allow national leniency on previously accepted sentences that are now viewed as unjust might be worth holding onto. It being such a casual presidential power has made it ripe for corruption for a long time but I would weigh that with civil rights era pardons for sham trials - I think we do still need a national sanity check relief valve for local injustices.
And the dysfunction of congress probably works in our favor here since pardons should be exceptional - not routine. A routine pardon is just a demonstration of the justice department failing at a systemic level.
FridayoLeary
I heard the intention was that sometimes it's against the public good to prosecute some people even though they have comitted crimes. Good examples of it being used as intended was pardoning the perpetrators of the whiskey rebellion, the confederate army, vietnam draft dodgers and more controversially, Nixon. I guess it's also intended in cases where obvious miscarriages of justice have been committed. It made sense in 1785 or whenever but along with lots of the rest of the constitution it's long obsolete and has been twisted, stretched and mangled into a hideous caricature of itself over the centuries.
YouAreWRONGtoo
How hard can it be to specify that pardons can be given by a committee of 25 randomly selected individuals with an Ivy league education when at least 2/3 is in favor with no existing financial ties and no information regarding the identity of whoever's fate is at stake?
Right, not hard at all, but apparently whoever wrote the Constitution was a fucking moron.
dragonwriter
> The power to pardon needs to be removed all together. All it does is show that the President overrides the department of justice.
The Department of Justice is subordinate to the President as part of the executive branch with or without the pardon power; if you want something other than "the President overrides the Department of Justice" as a matter of Constitutional law rather than an intermittently-observed convention of restraint (which Trump absolutely has not observed outside of the pardon power), you need a fundamental reformation of the Constitutional structure of government, far beyond the elimination of the pardon power.
IAmGraydon
While it’s true that the Department of Justice sits within the executive branch, the assertion that it is simply “subordinate” to the President - functioning as his personal legal arm - is an oversimplification that misses both the design and evolution of constitutional governance. The President does not have unlimited authority over the DOJ. The DOJ’s powers are exercised pursuant to laws enacted by Congress, and its officials - especially the Attorney General and U.S. Attorneys - swear oaths to uphold the Constitution, not to serve as personal agents of the President’s will.
The Supreme Court has repeatedly affirmed that while the President may remove executive officers, he cannot lawfully direct them to commit acts that are unconstitutional, obstruct justice, or violate statutory mandates. The constitutional structure also relies on normative independence - a separation within the executive branch that maintains rule of law. This is not a “convention of restraint” but an operational necessity derived from the Take Care Clause (“he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed”). That clause doesn’t mean “whatever the President says is law”; it means the President must ensure that the law itself is enforced faithfully, even when doing so constrains his own interests.
Finally, while the pardon power is broad, it’s not the linchpin of executive authority over the DOJ. Removing or limiting that power wouldn’t change the fact that the DOJ’s prosecutorial discretion must still be exercised consistent with law, ethics, and constitutional constraints - not simply the President’s personal preferences. Our system is not designed for a monarch with “absolute control” over prosecutions. It’s designed for a chief executive bound by law and accountable through oversight, impeachment, and ultimately, the electorate.
lapcat
> The pardon power has been so abused these past few administrations
Past few?
How about Ford pardoning Nixon? Or George H.W. Bush pardoning a bunch of Iran-Contra conspirators, thus covering his own ass?
dboreham
Agree. It seems to have (never had?) any positive benefit.
cogman10
IDK, I think Carter's pardon of draft dodgers was a pretty good use of the pardon power.
The problem seems to be that we have unjust laws and punishments. We should have some way to apply mercy in that case. For example, I (hope to) see a future where people jailed for MJ related crimes get a mass pardon.
ahtihn
> The problem seems to be that we have unjust laws and punishments. We should have some way to apply mercy in that case.
The solution is to fix that and make it retroactive. Remove the unjust law and release anyone who was convicted for violating it.
A pardon is just a bad, unfair bandaid fix.
soraminazuki
Chelsea Manning. Prosecuting her and other whistleblowers instead of the officials they blew the whistle on was a mockery of justice. Though that wasn't the stated reason for the commutation, it was long overdue.
AniseAbyss
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FuriouslyAdrift
Obama commuted the sentences of 1,715 individuals and issued 212 pardons for non-violent fedral drug convictions.
guywithahat
I mean there are lots of people arrested on effectively political charges, and it's good to be able to reflect on it years later and get them out of jail. I'm not convinced Changpeng Zhao's charges would have ever been brought against him if the Biden admin didn't go so hard against crypto, I'm happy to see him pardoned. Hopefully next Trump can get whistle blowers like John Kiriachou
strangattractor
Doesn't necessarily have to be left up to the whims of one person though.
stevage
Trump essentially defines all convictions that he doesn't agree with as political charges though.
napierzaza
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annexrichmond
It feels like HN is slowly turning into reddit with the comment section becoming mostly snide remarks
Instead of just commenting about being dismayed with the state of things, how about step back and speculate as to why he did this pardon, and what the implications of it are.
I don't know the answer to either, but I surely didn't learn much from what used to be an insightful, intelligent crowd
hshdhdhehd
Poor drug dealers: Extrajudicial murder in international waters.
Rich drug dealers: Freedom.
Be a rich drug dealer.
charcircuit
CZ already paid a fine and finished serving his time in jail. He was already free before the pardon.
captainkrtek
More generically:
Poor criminal: jail/death penalty/etc.
Rich criminal: freedom
MrToadMan
The swamp is now a protected wetland.
dredmorbius
Additional coverage (from other HN submissions):
QZ: <https://qz.com/trump-pardon-binance-changpeng-zhao>
Reuters: <https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-pardons-convicted-bin...>
The Guardian: <https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/oct/23/binance-t...>
dreamcompiler
I'm sure SBF and Elizabeth Holmes will be next.
wmf
Only 16% but rising fast. https://polymarket.com/event/sbf-released-from-custody-in-20...
tripplyons
This particular market is too illiquid to mean anything.
Right now, there is only about $500 in liquidity if you wanted to buy in at the 20% ask with a market order. After that the next sell limit order it as 96%.
noitpmeder
2m in outstanding volume on Kalshi: https://kalshi.com/markets/kxtrumppardon/trump-pardons/kxtru...
wslh
I imagine at least one guy that could create the market for you and then get the profit.
ugh123
I consider SBF's crime way less serious given that the end result actually made money for "victims"* which was the intended goal from the start.
However Binance guy knowingly commits money laundering and gets the pardon?
* Those victims who did not wait through the full asset recovery process and sold their debt to "vulture investors" for pennies on the dollar.
peter422
If your definition of “making money” is turning bitcoins into USD at bitcoins low point, and then paying that back to them in 2 years, alright.
You can have whatever opinion you want about the bankruptcy process, but FTX was most certainly insolvent, due to fraud, and at that point whatever happened after the recovery to make people as whole as possible (which for many was not even close) really shouldn’t get credited to SBF.
hshdhdhehd
So he intended to get caught and have his investments seized and go up in value while seized. Noble.
CyberDildonics
Gislaine Maxwell will be next.
giarc
Holmes has nothing to offer him.
tripplyons
SBF already did an unauthorized interview in prison with Tucker Carslon.
therein
SBF, maybe. Elizabeth Holmes, no chance.
mikkupikku
You're probably right, because she smoozed with Biden, but with Trump anything is possible with the right bribes.
SoftTalker
Does SBF have any ability to pay a bribe at this point?
I suppose one might assume he has some funds stashed offshore somewhere.
cestith
Is it called a bribe at this point, or is it tribute?
moralestapia
No chance SBF ever goes out (until he's done with his sentence).
Two huge factors against him:
* Most people don't even know who CZ is, so this is meh-tier. People know SBF and find him repulsive, literally. Whoever puts SBF out of jail will face a massive PR backslash, he's not important enough to be worth that.
* SBF stole from the rich, the only real crime in the US.
Very few times you see someone who is equally hated by: the law, the public and the rich. He's screwed, lol.
paulbjensen
I watched this documentary:
https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2023-ruin-ftx-documentary...
The way CZ managed to tie up FTX in a knot was a masterclass. (about 59min in).
tripplyons
I would add that SBF was at one point the 2nd largest donor to Democrats.
cestith
What are the odds Shkreli gets a pardon so he can be an officer of a publicly traded company again?
jbmchuck
Regarding your first point - how about George Santos? I suspect Santos was more well known than any of the crypto-scammers, was clearly guilty, was derided by both ends if the political spectrum - yet Trump commuted him.
timeon
> massive PR backslash
Personally I do not believe there can be PR backslash for convicted criminal voted in as president.
Fnoord
SBF was/is left (and I suppose mostly signaled rich in that camp), Ulbricht libertarian, but they were caught and therefore had to serve time in jail regardless. That is how our system works. SBF specialized in large scale grifting (like Madoff), Ulbricht in providing an anonymous platform for trafficking. They're competitors of Trump, but given their experience, intelligence, and disadvantage (jail time) if bend loyal they're an asset.
It isn't about any of these people though. Trump is about only one thing: himself (a trade he shares with someone like KJU of North Korea). Specifically, as a narcissist, Trump is all about his image: business and might makes right, no matter the rules. Trump therefore hates the left, truth, honesty, ethics, empowering the weak and minorities, et cetera. Most importantly, he is signaling here: 'if you do business with me, we do the criminal path, and you get caught then I have the power to pardon your sentence.'
Whether Trump is currently a criminal or not, he was and is a convicted felon.
The above is also why I very much suspect Ghislaine Maxwell has dirt on Trump.
koolba
> Zhao, in November 2023, pleaded guilty in Seattle federal court and agreed to step down as Binance CEO as part of a $4.3 billion settlement by the company with the Department of Justice.
Did he already pay the $4.3 billion? That's a lot of money, even for the federal government.
Fluorescence
I understand that the commutation of George Santos means he does not have to pay the court ordered restitution to the people he defrauded.
Puts an even grosser spin on this incineration of the rule of law.
Penalties within plea deals likely have different rules but given a pardon is a higher rung of absolution I am horrified to wonder if he could clawback any personal financial penalties he has paid or even seek compensation.
al_borland
From what I can tell, Binance had to pay the $4.3B, while Zhao had to pay $50M.
The status of each isn’t something I can readily find.
culi
Whatever he hasn't paid of that $50M, he'd no longer be on the hook for
wnevets
This Administration loves criminals.
jmspring
Of course he did. Republicans can’t complain about Clinton’s pardon of Marc Rich any more.
elicash
I was aware of the allegations that Marc Rich's ex wife gave money to Clinton is what led Clinton to pardon, but I never really dug into it.
Per wikipedia, Clinton's defense was that it was actually a favor to Israel, given Rich helping to finance their intel services. Maybe everybody else knew this, I didn't.
robinhoode
Of course they can. Republicans (well MAGA in particular) don't are about hypocracy. They make exceptions for Trump on everything.
jmull
I mean, that was one pardon 25 years ago and widely criticized across the political spectrum.
It's hard to count how many purely political and money-based pardons Trump has done this term, and there is essentially no pushback on his side.
moneycantbuy
our culture is ill
https://archive.ph/XRw42