Linux phones are more important now than ever

Did a nation state ask GrapheneOS to add that feature?

Absolute lies, where I live it is one party consent. I can still record with another device on speakerphone.

Why is the baseband closed? That is the question we need to have answered.

Linux is ready, what is not ready is the ecosystem.

> What government apps do people run?

Public transport ticket app, government ID app, drivers licence app.

I do believe all of these specific examples run fine on rooted Android without too much hassle (unsure about the second one), so they should be emulatable or whatever on a Linux phone, but that assumes that experience holds up decently well, which I would be surprised if it did for apps like this.

> Why do you need to access your bank account on your phone?

Because the app is a whole lot better than the web interfaces my previous banks had. Plus the added convenience. I'd prefer that the web interface was just as good as the app, but I'd still use the app even if that existed, just due to the convenience.

I do most of my banking and investments on my phone. I don’t think I’m in the minority here.

I work for a bank. There is a strategic focus on the mobile banking app over the web app. Younger generations are doing everything through their phones. Including applying for home loans. Many banks are moving towards being digital only as contactless payments means people are using cash a lot less to the point that physical bank branches don't make sense anymore.

My bank doesn't yet require the mobile app (quite), but all interactions are significantly more annoying without the app. My 2FA options all require a phone, either for the insecure method of texting me the code, or else an app-only option (they don't allow generic 2FA apps, but instead require a specific app, that almost definitely won't exist for a linux phone). Even verifying my identity on the phone is better with the app (the app generates a code that they just accept, it can be done without but it's slower and more inconvenient).

So no, my everyday interactions don't require the phone app. But any interaction that is novel enough to require direct communication with the bank has been rendered annoying without the phone app.

I'm someone for whom I'd probably be willing to deal with all these inconveniences to make my statement about ownership over my hardware and software, but I doubt that very many average consumers would.

People in non-US countries apparently have a litany of government and banking apps which are mandatory at all times.

> What government apps do people run?

There are a bunch of them here in Australia, and there were several in the UK.

Here there's a secure ID app for government services which is used as 2FA on the web interface, and various apps to access state and national government services directly. There's a tax one that allows you to scan receipts to collect them up for your annual tax return. In the UK I had an NHS app, can't remember what else.

They aren't mandatory, you can live without them, but they are often convenient.

> Why do you need to access your bank account on your phone?

Because it's many people's primary computing device? Why would you not want to access your bank accounts on your phone?

And because if you want to log on to some banks websites you need to have a 2FA security code which can either be generated by a dedicated security device, which has become less common now, or by an app on the phone which is then usually biometrically protected. There is sometimes a second code-generation method for higher value transfers.

So it is convenient to be able to send payments in the bank app, though less common than using my phone instead of the physical card through apple/google pay (those don't require the bank app to be installed).

> Why do you need to access your bank account on your phone?

My bank requires me to authenticate all online transactions via the phone app. Without it, it's not possible to make online payments.

I had to deal with this for government apps specifically related to immigration. I don't mind banks requiring it, I don't have to use that bank. I do mind governments requiring it if my only recourse is having to leave the country entirely.

the app for one of my banks which i need for 2FA won't run on my /e/OS phone.

> Linux can emulate android.

It can't emulate hardware attestation though, which most bank apps now require, so good luck with that.

Adoption will come only and only with essential apps people use every day.

In Australia: Centrelink, Service Victoria, Medicare, myID (formerly MyGovID), ATO (tax) — for a start.

There's no great reason for these to be Android/Apple specific. I'm just offering examples as requested.

Portuguese government app: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=id.gov.pt

Allows you to have a digital copy of your ID and sign in to government sites/services (there are alternative methods).

Identity apps as well as apps to access government and social programs.

Not to mention why specifically government apps? Would those not be covered by general compatibility with web standards?

Wouldn’t well designed mobile web-apps suffice for that use case? I have several web-app site shortcuts linked on my Home Screen which behave just like the native apps. In most cases I don’t see why that would not be sufficient, including most “government apps” use cases

The BC Service Card app

Outside US lots of banks use apps to generate a token and authenticate website transactions.

They do, but some seem to be gradually removing functionality (like check deposit via scan + upload) in favor of using their amazingly convenient (/s) app.

A lot of major banks worldwide have apps, and they usually require un-rooted phones.

People here seem to think this is some sort of Orwellian attempt to control them, but the reasons are more mundane and technical - many of them (mine included, from two countries) use security facilities on the phone to secure your accounts.

For example, my HSBC UK app has replaced the little calculator thing they used to ship, and uses iOS face recognition to secure the generation of log-on codes which you need in order to use the web interface, as well as for secure access to the banking app directly.

With a rooted phone they don't have the guarantees that these aren't being exfiltrated, or the app being subverted in novel ways, so they don't want to support it.

You may not consider this a good enough reason, and I have heard it said on HN that 'the banks shouldn't get to control what I do on my computing device!', and that attitude is absolutely fine, but then you'll most likely end up with either less secure banking (meaning more fraud, higher fees etc) or going back to having to have a dedicated security device.

> I can deposit checks through it on my laptop

American-like banking detected... who uses checks in 2025?! :)

Interesting!

> Long story short: it's not something the market wants.

Who knows. Maybe this could change?

Please spare me the sarcasm...

so we fork and continue to work on lineageOS. why start from scratch? (i mean, it's nice to have alternatives, but there is no reason not to continue developing an android fork.

Nah, not an ass. Just not up to speed yet.

Using traditional cameras (repurposed DLSRs or fancy webcams like ZWO). There is a significant hurdle, of expense, learning how to use them, and setting them up. A Pixel makes sky-wide astrophotography trivially easy with almost no setup required. Depending on how stable the camera mount is, the pixel will allow me to start over on the novice side of the scale. I've been able to take handheld pictures of the Aurora and other large sky images, such as lightning in twilight thunderstorms. If I can rest the camera somewhere stable, I can take longer exposures and even create a time-lapse of the night sky.

There's a lot to be said for pulling your phone out of your pocket and taking pictures of the sky.