iPhone 17 Pro and iPhone 17 Pro Max

I like the orange one. It's nice that there's finally a vivid Pro color, after years of black / white / "it's not quite black or white, we swear".

I had to pull my case off to see what color iPhone I had... I'll never buy a white iPhone ever again but anything silver or dark is good with me.

I agree the lack of the space grey/black/midnight/whatever you want to call it... is odd.

But uh. I can't tell you what color my phone is now. I normally buy black, but I think it's silver? Could have to peel off the dbrand skin.

I do like the orange though, it's really attractive. Next do Product Red version that is similarly bright. I miss my product red's.

doesn't lidar help with closeup focusing?

I got lots of blurry closeups on older iphones.

It's not because your work gives you the opportunity to get a new iPhone that you *need* to get one... you can also downscale the consumerism, the planet is better that way

The blue is pretty subdued. I guess we'll see how reflective the finish on the aluminum winds up being...

Yep, their non matte black finishes reflect inside even the prosumer Elegato Teleprompter.

put a case on it?

It’s actually quite irritating 5x zoom, I think 3x is a more useful range for my photos.

That's right. One of the captions read 8x 12MP.

Subjective indeed. I don't mind the broad camera bump -- it's a good trade-off for getting the increased zoom, honestly. I'm not quite sure how I feel about the differently-colored ceramic bit on the back, though. But, on the plus side, not like that's the bit of the phone I look at.

Plus, the orange looks great. (In their promo shots. We've occasionally seen these look a lot less vivid once you see them in real life.)

I was shocked how ugly it looks this time!

99% of the time phones are on a case and used from the front screen so from where I stand I don’t care what it looks like from the back. And there is so few people using it caseless that it won’t really matter.

The looks are what they are, but if that wide shelf will mean the phone doesn't wobble when placed on a table, that is a good usability improvement. One of the small things I missed when moving from a Pixel 6 to an iPhone was the ability to not feel compelled to pick it up in order to use it.

Horses for courses. Better camera (for those special moments while the kids are young) and better battery life are two big ones for me, so I'll likely upgrade. (Kind of digging the orange color too).

It's not the dullest refresh, and they always sell plenty. I'm sure this will be no exception.

I've found that the support for multiple eSIMs has replaced that pretty well for me. That's probably incredibly dependent on where you travel, though.

This is especially surprising to me given several providers still only support physical SIM or weird half-support (e.g. Fizz, that I'm with, allows you to open a new line with eSIM but not transfer an existing line from physical to eSIM).

Looks like the esim only version has a bigger battery. I can’t tell if that’s an option in Australia because I’d absolutely opt for the bigger battery version.

Moving? I can register the same sim to multiple phones.

I'm one of those people who really likes the camera features, so there's no question about which one interests me. The Pro also has a battery life estimate that's 45% longer than the Air's, which is pretty important to me. Those two things combine to be a pretty big differentiator.

EDIT: actually, base Pro is only 22% more battery life. I was accidentally comparing it to the Pro Max. Still, important.

I guess this time the pro really is for pros. The 120hz on the base model is great.

I’d get the Air but I really like the 0.5x camera. I’m disappointed at how the Pros keep getting heavier.

I'm personally totally fine with incremental upgrades. It already does everything I want and it lasts for like 5+ years. I'll get a new one when this one dies and then I had 5 iterations worth of new stuff.

Most of the people in my family and friends have iPhone X, 11, 12, or 13s and run at varying degrees of "dead any day now" and "completely fine" (from old to new, generally).

>The march of incremental upgrades year over year from Apple is impressive.

It is not just Apple. I can’t think of any phone maker that is releasing exciting new things.

For me, foldable and curved screen phones _could_ be that, but no implementations are. Supposedly Apple is working on both of those, so maybe they can do it right.

> Genlock

Finally caught up to the Amiga I see

28 years later was filmed using the iPhone 15 as the sensor/capture device.

Beauty really is in the eye of the beholder. I rather like this look and design.

I always keep my phone in a case because I’m a coward but I would not want to hide this.

I never liked titanium very much, but it's better than aluminum for sure. Now back when they did stainless, that I thought was awesome and looked and felt way more premium.