Areal, Are.na's new typeface
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·August 25, 2025petralithic
stronglikedan
There's clearly a difference.- it says so right in the venn diagram.
varenc
Given the types of folks on Are.na, this much energy on a slightly new typeface is very much on-brand for their designer heavy crowd. Know your users!
In other news: are.na still hasn't disabled Introspection on their GraphQL API endpoint
mbo
> are.na still hasn't disabled Introspection on their GraphQL API endpoint
I would not be surprised if this is intentional. The Are.na REST API is extremely permissive too.
metalliqaz
I know!
From TFA:
Personally, Arial has always had a pretty positive connotation for me. In the late ’90s/early 2000s web design scene, there were no custom fonts, so your choices were basically Arial, Verdana, Times New Roman, and a few other default fonts. Arial always struck me as the most plain and the least snobby choice. You know, in the early 2000s Helvetica was the first font that I watched become very cool and then kind of cringey within a very short lifecycle. Helvetica was like an Eames chair or something — a shorthand for people to say “I'm interested in design,” which then became lame almost immediately afterwards. But Arial has always been kind of lame [laughs]. In that way, it’s stayed the same.
So he is apparently aware of the fart-sniffing cringe of certain design choices and yet... he does it anyway.xanehx
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varenc
For fun, here's a gif alternating between their new 'Areal Variable' font and my browser's default Arial:
https://i.imgur.com/B5UcBRK.gif
the difference mainly seems to be spacing?
sdwr
I can see the stroke width differences that they mention in the article. The lowercase ee in been, the capital S.
Might be placebo, but the text in the article jumped out at me as fresh, clean, and warm. I think they did good work
kingforaday
Thanks. This is useful. One Q though, any idea why the 1 in the header is serif? It doesn't seem to in the rest of the doc body.
varenc
I hadn't noticed that! Playing with CSS, the Areal font seems to have a serif on that `1` because of this CSS property: `font-feature-settings: "tnum"`. I assume this is some advanced font feature that original Arial doesn't support. Cool to see their attention to detail.
rmonvfer
I don’t get it, this is just a font, right? I mean, don’t get me wrong, I understand the need for these announcements but it feels… cringe? Like, it certainly cannot be THAT deep
wavemode
Most people don't care much about fonts, true. It's fine that you "don't get it".
But yes, it can be that deep - typography and font design is a very underappreciated field. Fonts don't just come from nowhere - someone has to sit down and design them, and it takes a lot of time and effort.
timpera
It's not deep, just really cool!
browningstreet
Release notes are good.
Barrin92
>but it feels… cringe?
are people nowadays unable to be enthusiastic about anything without someone chiming in from the peanut gallery and calling it "cringe"?
Typefaces have always had a pretty passionate community, it can be surprisingly deep. A lot of people love and invest a lot of time in fonts and frankly paying some attention to design even if it isn't necessarily apparent is by no means a bad thing.
tsunamifury
Fonts are extremely hard to make
imiric
"Just a font" is an ignorant statement, and misses the point.
Behind every (well-designed) font is a world of typography. That's an entire industry at the intersection of science and art. Type designers take great pride in their work, and well-designed typefaces are practically timeless. Like good art, they transmit emotion. As a commercial product, they represent brands. A lot hinges on choosing the right type for a specific purpose, even if most of the general public is not consciously aware of it. So these announcements can indeed be deep and meaningful.
That said, the changes in this case seem very minor to me, as a casual type aficionado. I could barely tell the difference from Arial with both side by side, but I'm sure a lot of thought and effort went into this. Maybe it was worth avoiding the licensing costs? I wasn't aware Arial required licensing, though.
Another good reason to do this is to have a baseline font from which they can create different variants, or add new characters. This is probably why they were able to make so many proportions, weights, and slants. I don't remember Arial having a monospace variant, for example.
durakot
In a world awash in generative nonsense, rebuilding Arial from scratch based on screenshots specifically for Are.na is the flex we deserve and I'm here for it
elAhmo
This is an equivalent of overengineering. Doing the job for the sake of talking about it, without any meaningful, visible or useful benefits. Quite a generic looking font, probably 999/1000 people wouldn't notice it.
simonsarris
a bit nicer to see it here: https://are.al.are.na/
It's good its just, I don't know, its precisely what it says it is. A refresh of Arial. It's nice. If they didn't say anything I would think they just fussed with the letter spacing a bit and didn't create a new font at all. That seems like the biggest change.
The monospace is neat.
eps
> Application error: a client-side exception has occurred while loading are.al.are.na (see the browser console for more information).
notimpotent
"To find early versions of Arial, the Dinamo team had to work with computer technology archivists to get access to some of the first personal computers and operating systems. In the end they found a tool that allowed them to boot up Windows 2000 on their own laptops"
I hope this "technology archivist" charged them appropriately for this monumental task. /s
aidenn0
TIL that windows 2000 is one of the first PC operating systems.
Cthulhu_
I was there, 4000 years ago
pdw
The Windows 2000 launch is closer to the release of Altair 8800 than it is to today :/
pwillia7
ah the year 2000, when al gore invented the internet
sho_hn
If you count every Linux distribution released since, and just make the before/after totals, maybe!
JdeBP
The interesting thing is that going by that and by Medea's numbers (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45044803), it seems strange that copying from an operating system that was well after WGL4 came out ended up with a glyph list that is significantly short of even WGL4.
By the time that Windows 2000 came out, Arial Unicode had already been published (with Word 2000).
null
numbers
all this effort to copy Arial? which itself is just an alternative to Helvetica.
jennyholzer
font licensing is expensive
Zaheer
Never heard of Are.na but their aesthetic / interface reminds me a lot of Notion. Given its been around for longer, I wonder if they were inspiration for Notion.
ahmedfromtunis
I'd say it's orthogonal to Notion: Notion's design is more "organic" & "human". Are.na chose an aesthetic one could describe as "synthetic" & "industrial".
Both are visually pleasing and share a utilitarian goal, but from different sides of spectrum.
arm32
So is this what founders do when they're bored with working on their product?
mmcclure
It's a product whose largest cohort is designers or design-minded people. Them focusing on that as part of the product itself feels like a perfectly good use of their time.
zapzupnz
> It's a product whose largest cohort is designers or design-minded people.
Those people are not clamouring for another Arial.
mmcclure
No one said they were, I don't even think this font is available for use outside of are.na's product. This is about craft.
I think they said it pretty well themselves:
With Areal, Dinamo designed an updated version of Arial especially suited for Are.na, but which still honors the original. Stem thicknesses were streamlined, more characters added (), a monospace version drawn, dark mode functionality optimized. You probably wouldn’t have noticed these changes if you hadn’t read this statement. It’s possible you still won’t. But to us (Are.na and Dinamo) Areal’s existence is satisfying in the way that rewriting an entire front-end is satisfying. As stated in this text block from 5 years ago, “the reason you would create something is because you love it enough to see it exist.”
JdeBP
And yet Arial Nova exists, as pointed out at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45046490 .
pndy
Tbh it kinda feels like that legendary Pepsi BREATHTAKING Design Strategy from 2008
https://archive.org/details/breathtaking-design-strategy-pep...
jhanschoo
Why didn't they just go with Arial Nova instead?
austinjp
Or Liberation Sans
https://www.oooninja.com/2008/02/metrical-equivalent-fonts-a...
throwaway2562
Does anyone know if are.na supports private sharing of content within groups? I’ve looked and I cannot see if this simple thing is possible, or not.
Then I could use it share moodboards and screenshots with my team: I somewhat dislike Miro and all those similarly over-engineered services.
aweiher
Yes, you can add collaborators to private channels.
And you can group multiple collaborators into groups, to add them to a channel.
Source: premium subscriptions and looked it up in the ui
dzuc
private groups yes. also can generate shareable links to private channels
yawnxyz
I'm digging around to see if it's open source, but I don't think it is
All this effort and it's just...Arial. I don't think anyone could see it on a page and guess that it were a different font.