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Building AI products in the probabilistic era

pdhborges

I will believe this theory if someone shows me that the ratio of scientists to engineers of leading teams of the leading companies deploying AI products is bigger than 1.

therobots927

This is pure sophistry and the use of formal mathematical notation just adds insult to injury here:

“Think about it: we’ve built a special kind of function F' that for all we know can now accept anything — compose poetry, translate messages, even debug code! — and we expect it to always reply with something reasonable.”

This forms the axiom from which the rest of this article builds its case. At each step further fuzzy reasoning is used. Take this for example:

“Can we solve hallucination? Well, we could train perfect systems to always try to reply correctly, but some questions simply don't have "correct" answers. What even is the "correct" when the question is "should I leave him?".”

Yes of course relationship questions don’t have a “correct” answer. But physics questions do. Code vulnerability questions do. Math questions do. I mean seriously?

The most disturbing part of my tech career has been witnessing the ability that many highly intelligent and accomplished people have to apparently fool themselves with faulty yet complex reasoning. The fact that this article is written in defense of chatbots that ALSO have complex and flawed reasoning just drives home my point. We’re throwing away determinism just like that? I’m not saying future computing won’t be probabilistic but to say that LLMs are probabilistic, so they are the future of computing can only be said by someone with an incredibly strong prior on LLMs.

I’d recommend Baudrillards work on hyperreality. This AI conversation could not be a better example of the loss of meaning. I hope this dark age doesn’t last as long as the last one. I mean just read this conclusion:

“It's ontologically different. We're moving away from deterministic mechanicism, a world of perfect information and perfect knowledge, and walking into one made of emergent unknown behaviors, where instead of planning and engineering we observe and hypothesize.”

I don’t actually think the above paragraph makes any sense, does anyone disagree with me? “Instead of planning we observe and hypothesize”?

That’s called the scientific method. Which is a PRECURSOR to planning and engineering. That’s how we built the technology we have today. I’ll stop now because I need to keep my blood pressure low.

aredox

Again there is a match between programs and the structure that creates it (a.k.a. Conway's law). This society not only tolerates but embraces bullshit, it has elected a complete con man, and now it is sinking billions of dollars building universal bullshit machines.

falcor84

> Yes of course relationship questions don’t have a “correct” answer. But physics questions do. Code vulnerability questions do. Math questions do. I mean seriously?

But as per Gödel's incompleteness theorem and the Halting Problem, math questions (and consequently physics and CS questions) don't always have an answer.

mentalgear

> After decades of technical innovation, the world has (rightfully) developed some anti-bodies to tech hype. Mainstream audiences have become naturally skeptical of big claims of “the world is changing”.

Well, it took about 3 years of non-stop AI hype from the industry and press (and constant ignoring of actual experts) until finally the perception seems to have shifted in recognising it as another bubble. So I wouldn't say any lessons were learned. Get ready for the next bubble when the crypto grifters that moved to "AI" will soon move on the to the NEXT-BIG-THING!

lacy_tinpot

Is it really "hype" if like 100s of millions of people are using llms on a daily basis?

pmg101

The dot-com bubble burst but I'm betting you visited at least one of those "websites" they were hyping today.

AIorNot

From the article:

“We have a class of products with deterministic cost and stochastic outputs: a built-in unresolved tension. Users insert the coin with certainty, but will be uncertain of whether they'll get back what they expect. This fundamental mismatch between deterministic mental models and probabilistic reality produces frustration — a gap the industry hasn't yet learned to bridge.”

And all the news today around AI being a bubble -

We’re still learning what we can do with these models and how to evaluate them but industry and capitalism forces our hand into building sellable products rapidly

CGMthrowaway

It's like putting money into a (potentially) rigged slot machine

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failiaf

(unrelated) what's the font used for the cursive in the article? the heading is ibm plex serif and the content dm mono, but the cursive font is simply labeled as dm mono which isn't accurate

nbbaier

Seems to be Dank Mono Regular Italic: https://philpl.gumroad.com/l/dank-mono

failiaf

oh! i mistook 'dm' to be 'dm mono', but this appears to be correct

leutersp

Chrome Dev console shows that the italics font is indeed named "dm" just like the rest of the content. It is not really a cursive, only a few letters are stylized ("f", "s" and "l").

It is possible (and often desirable) to use different WOFF fonts for italics, and they can look quite different from the standard font.