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Objects should shut the fuck up

Objects should shut the fuck up

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·August 4, 2025

jamesmunns

In safety industries, particularly aviation, "alarm fatigue" is a really big deal. You recognize that pilots have limited situational bandwidth, and you REALLY don't want to be bugging them about things you can avoid. I worked in collision avoidance systems (TAS/TCASI/TCASII), and spent nearly a whole year just working on figuring out when and how we could avoid warning pilots in cases where "we're not sure exactly what is going on, so tell the pilot just in case" could potentially annoy pilots in cases like take off and landing (where they have important OTHER things to be doing!)

It's a fun balance between "possibly don't warn the pilot about something they should know about", and "don't warn them if they are busy doing something important".

More devices should have a "squelch" switch!

tayloramurphy

What does a squelch switch do?

etrautmann

Squelch is a dial that changes a threshold below which analog radio signals are silenced so you can ignore noise. The dial allows you to dig into the noise when you want or be more conservative and only pass strong signals through.

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bruce343434

Sets a minimum on the incoming signal to be amplified. For instance, only amplify stuff above x dB, silence stuff below x dB (noise).

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-warren

While we're at it, can we do something about the gigalumen blue light every device seems to have to indicate on/charging/charged? My house looks like a dystopia spaceship after dusk.

alterom

I've had to put a layer of electric tape, sometimes two of them, on some of those just to get the bedroom to a level where it's dark enough to sleep in comfortably.

They're so bright, you can see the damn blue circles on the ceiling. Blue moon rising, invited by no one.

JohnBooty

It's pretty much never changing.

It's the kind of flaw we don't notice until after we've bought the products and lived with them for a while. Therefore, it doesn't hurt sales and therefore, there is no pressure for manufacturers to change.

It sucks.

As a workaround, these work great. Note that these particular ones are partial blackout stickers. They are 50-80% opaque. You can still see the light, but it won't be bright enough to annoy. If you want to darken even further you can just layer two of the stickers.

https://www.amazon.com/FLANCCI-Blocking-Stickers-Dimming-Bla...

If you need total blackout, there are similar ones available that are 100% opaque, although at that point I'm not sure why a person would buy a specialty product instead of just using regular tape...

magneticnorth

Yes, seconding this one too. I've opted for ugly black electrical tape squares over the worst offenders in sleeping spaces, but why is that the only option?

RankingMember

Ha, I've done the same. I never thought I'd become like my old grandpa, who didn't like when TV stations started adding crawls to the bottom of the screen for certain news/information so put electric tape across the bottom of the screen.

If they're going to do LEDs, at least do red ones, which don't obliterate night vision. Making them togglable is the ideal unless they're literally a life-or-death piece of equipment.

trinix912

It used to be dim red LEDs but then in the early 2010s everyone switched to blue to look more fancy and modern. Sometimes really bright ones too, I used to have an ASUS router that had bright enough (blinking!) blue LEDs to light the entire room up. Without any option to disable them, of course.

With all public debate around the effects of blue light on sleep, it's weird more people haven't found that concerning.

kaonwarb

This is something Eero routers do well: you can turn off the light (which is a more subtle white to begin with) in settings.

Wistar

Same is true of my Ubiquiti UniFi. You can set the brightness 1–10 and even set times of day when lights and display should be on or off.

mjlee

I now have a small amount of electrical tape in my travel bag, and I use it at practically every place I stay. I just rewrapped some around a bit of plastic - no need for it to be very sticky anyway as I take it off when I leave.

p1mrx

I have a monitor with a bright blue / dull orange LED. I found that stacking layers of kapton tape turns the blue into a dull green, while leaving the orange mostly unaffected.

_DeadFred_

Fun fact, this is why nail polish was invented.

ratelimitsteve

yes plz && ty, I listen to audiobooks at bedtime and I can't put my earbuds back in the case without them turning on a super bright blue light that has actually woken up my partner in the past. Why? I can see a little pinhole status light to show me that the connection is made correctly but why outline the whole case in blue and then start flashing the percentage charge remaining in the case while also animating charging bars to show that the buds themselves are also charging? Why turn my bedroom into the landing scene from the movie ET?

SuzukiBrian

My brand new car has a feature called forward attention warning which is driving me insane. It is essentially a small camera located at the steering wheel column which emit a series of high beeps and have an eye icon blink in the dashboard if the car doesn't think I am looking forward.

Cases in which this can happen. - I orient myself before overtaking another car on the highway or motorway. - I position my hand wrong on the steering wheel and the camera can no longer see me. - I put on sunglasses when I am driving against a low sun.

It can be turned off, but if you live in the EU it is required to enable itself once the car has been turned off/on.

It will also happily warn me if it thinks I am speeding based on errornous gps data. This feature also turns itself back on once the car has been turned off.

thedanbob

I rented a car in the UK a few years ago and by the end of the trip I was ready to set it on fire.

- Adaptive cruise control would randomly slam on the brakes on the motorway (just passed a 30 kph exit, the speed limit must be 30 now!), or match speed with a car in the next lane that was I trying to pass

- Emergency braking would trigger if I got too close to a car that was turning out of my lane, or a shrub while parking

- Lane assist reenabled itself every time I started the car

- Radar system would fail every ~3 starts, which would disable adaptive cruise control (ok) and blast a warning sound (bad)

At least now I know that if I'm shopping for a car in the future, one of my criteria needs to be "won't actively try to kill me".

alterom

Thanks, looks like I'll be repairing my 2010 Honda Fit (Jazz in EU markets) forever to avoid getting anything of the sort of antifeatures you describe.

That, or the manufacturers and regulators wisening up, but I ain't holding my breath for that.

Same with touchscreen controls in a vehicle.

mdavidn

Honda was still good in recent years. I drive a 2024 Honda CR-V. No tones that annoy me. No interior cameras. All of the important controls are still physical.

Blackthorn

In a lot of places in the world you can return new cars. I would return one that did that. Manufacturers won't get the hints until they start seeing returns wreck their bottom line.

epolanski

Manufacturers can't do anything about it if it's required by law.

Mawr

The law requires bad design/implementation?

bruce343434

They can lobby the politicians

trinix912

Wouldn't that wreck your credit score though? Pardon my ignorance.

tupac_speedrap

I don't know the law in your country but most forms of credit have a 'cooling off' period where you can return the money or asset and reset the credit agreement within a certain time but I'm not sure if doing it a lot in a small period of time would flag to a future creditor though.

idontwantthis

My subaru will beep and flash a signal to let me know that it can’t see the lanes well enough to use the lane departure warning.

A safety feature takes my eyes and ears off of the road to let me know that it is not keeping me safe for the moment.

mdavidn

On my spouse's 2019 model, I could disable that alert in the menus. Even after I disabled every alert in the menus, the car still emits an urgent tone with an unknown meaning.

idontwantthis

The thing is that I like the safety feature itself. It’s just asinine that it distracts me to tell me that for the next 1 second it’s not keeping me safe. Also the fact that there is absolutely nothing it changes in my driving behavior when it is off. I’m still the one driving.

trinix912

I've found that disabling the lane assist in my 2020 Civic permanently disables that too. It's an EU model. For anyone looking for a solution, try if this solves it (if you wouldn't miss the lane assist, of course).

SuzukiBrian

Unfortunately as I've later learned, it's a requirement in all cars in the EU from 2025, so there is no way to disable it permanently. Thank you for the suggestion though.

orwin

My understanding was that it is only required for lane assist/cruise control, unless i misunderstood. Hopefully if you deactivate those, your car will allow disabling this "feature".

vasco

The assist to keep you in the lane that also auto turns on has been the only cause of 3 near crashes I've had, when renting cars. Never have I even had a slightly dangerous situation other than this bullshit turning the fucking wheel for me. Who the heck thinks that a machine knows best if it should turn the wheel than a human, with eyes, driving? I cannot understand how it ever helped anyone and it's much worse than just a beep, literally trying to steer against you.

SuzukiBrian

I actually knew about this one going in, since it's been a requirement for a bit longer. My Hyundai has two modes, one where it simply beeps if you cross the lines without the turn-signal and the dangerous one where it locks the steering wheel.

Only the slightly annoying beeping one seems to be mandatory, the extremely dangerous steering wheel locking one isn't. Otherwise I wouldn't have bought the car at all.

IshKebab

I'm generally pro-EU but they sure know how to not fix things by annoying people as much as possible. C.f. the cookie laws, headphone volume warnings, etc.

SuzukiBrian

I understand the spirit of the law, but any implementation by the EU feels like making a wish to a monkey paw these day. I would love for people to stop watching tiktoks on their phones while driving on the motorway, but the implementation means that I now get to be constantly distracted by my own car while driving.

rapnie

Cookie dialogs easily avoided wherever companies care about their customers/users.

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bradreaves2

All the external noises are a big problem.

But the things that irritate me even more are the infernal modals and alerts on my computing devices. It is hard enough maintaining focus without having to spend an entire work session playing whack-a-mole at random intervals for a hundred different things that aren’t relevant. I never want to know that my scanner software has an update available.

I realized that at its core, this problem is caused by developers and product managers mistakenly believing that I care as much about their product as they do.

It would be nice if the gatekeepers had mechanisms that punished this behavior. Search engines should lower the rankings of every site with random modals. App stores could display a normalized metric of alert click through — “this app has an above average number of alerts that are ignored”.

trinix912

I've disabled the entire notification stack on macOS and Windows 10 with some tweaks and couldn't be happier. It's not like I'm going to miss out on anything of value as Slack, Discord, Mail will just indicate new messages with a dock/taskbar icon change.

But it's sure as hell annoying to have unsolicited popups randomly appearing ("Java update available! Apple Music now 50% off! GeForce Experience driver update! Windows Defender scan results! USB drive not ejected properly!..."). They're also often embarrassing when screen sharing.

vasco

But do you want these cookies?

MarkusQ

When arcade machines needed to cycle players to keep the the quarters flowing, it created a aesthetic in game design that took a decade or more to shake when we switched to an economic model that rewarded keeping players on the site; in that earlier era, even things that didn't benefit from kicking users off did so, because...well, that's just the way you did things.

Now that the dominant economic model is driven by attention and engagement, even systems that don't benefit from it in the slightest are nonetheless infected by that aesthetic. I keep expecting to see a toaster that asks me to "like and subscribe" or a toilet that has pop-up notifications.

phkahler

One that I hate is GM cars that turn on the "reverse" lights in parking lots when the car isn't even turned on, or sometimes when there isn't even a person in the car. I'm sure someone wanted to turn those on as a convenience for people or maybe to indicate there is a person nearby? But those lights have a specific meaning which is no longer reliably conveyed by GM cars.

dpifke

I was curious, so I just checked the FMVSS requirements for these[0]:

Must be activated when the ignition switch is energized and reverse gear is engaged. Must not be energized when the vehicle is in forward motion.

Seems that should be amended to not allow use when the vehicle is in park, just as they are prohibited while in drive. I'm tempted to write to the NHTSA and propose this change.

[0]: https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-49/subtitle-B/chapter-V/p...

delecti

I think this might be a disconnect between what those lights are "really" for, and how they're actually used (de jure vs de facto, in a sense).

They aren't meant to have a specific meaning, they're just headlights, but when going in reverse. So if the car has a feature to "turn on the headights" it makes sense to activate the ones on the back too.

Though that's just pedantry that kicks the can down the road to the question, why are the headlights turning on with nobody in the car?

fouronnes3

Free startup idea: An appliance brand that makes every home appliance with the following features:

* Absolutely never any beep or sound

* Direct controls, no "programs" (i.e. microwave has two knobs: power and time, etc.)

* No network connectivity of any kind (obviously)

With a strong brand identity and good marketing these would sell like sliced bread.

capt_obvious_77

I don't understand why this doesn't exist.

It seems to me the market for "no bullshit" appliances is HUGE, and waiting for a company to grab it and make billions.

RankingMember

I have a pessimistic view on this because I think most people are sadly very prone to going for whiz-bang style over substance. This is why people still buy Samsung appliances when Speed Queen are no frills but top tier in reliability.

Rooster61

I don't think people actually trust Samsung as a brand that much. Marketing pipelines are just tailored to foist theirs and other garbage products because it generates revenue.

RankingMember

This basically exists in "Speed Queen". They've expanded offerings to try to capture the market that wants aesthetics and screens, but you can still get their old reliable: https://speedqueen.com/products/top-load-washers/tr3003wn/

mfro

Also worth noting, as someone who worked with appliances in the past, I have heard nothing but praise for speed queen products. Sentiment is that they are extremely reliable, if expensive.

Rooster61

This is something that has been bouncing around my head for a very long time. A company that manufactured even halfway decent products that don't have endless amounts of dark patterns/planned obsolescence would quickly drive me bankrupt.

I don't think we will ever see it though, at least not en masse. No startup would be able to afford the sheer number of lawsuits filed by the companies we have slowly allowed to become fat by selling products rife with consumer-hostile "features". Not to mention traditional advertising platforms would refuse to promote their products. Too much money already flowing in from the usual bad actors.

adornKey

More likely the following products will pop up:

  * Noise cancelling earplugs
  * Smart glasses with blink/strobe/seizure-filters
And it will be an arms race, and the users will love their shiny iBlocks and iPlugs...

dguest

I'm renting an apartment that came with a "nest" smoke detector. The thing ate through around 8 AA batteries every few months. We finally got sick of it and bought our own dumb 10€ smoke / CO detector.

eweise

I'm spending about a grand to have a sensor in my golf door handle fixed because the car beeps for about 10 seconds every time it passes 10mph. Thinking of buying a car at least 15 years old so I can experience the lack of electronics again.

pdevine

Go to a modern hospital emergency room, it's a cacophony of devices all vying for attention. I walked down the hallway and realized every room in the place had a different audible alarm—all active! I suspected the device manufacturers were all worried about liability for their device, making sure to notify that a patient had a problem. The end result for the medical staff was an endless chaos of noise. Complete systemic failure of UX from a practical standpoint.

aarmenaa

Yes. I have a family member that has had many hospital stays over the last few years, and one of the most obnoxious things is that the staff just lets everything beep. The last time we were in the emergency room the blood pressure monitor did not work and the staff didn't notice for over an hour. Even when it does work, they're constantly in an alarm state because patient has chronic high blood pressure. They either can't or won't silence the alarms, so every room is beeping, the nurse's station is beeping, their phones are beeping, and it's all being ignored. It's the very definition of alert fatigue.

JohnFen

In the regional hospital near me, they've begun actively fighting for fewer alarms. In part because they annoy everyone: patients, visitors, and hospital staff alike. But mostly because the inevitable alarm fatigue that the cacophony results in actively endangers patient safety.

The policy of this hospital is that all alarms, beeping, etc. should be disabled except in limited circumstances. Particularly at night.

zhivota

From time in hospitals I've gotten very good at disabling them. Most nurses are fine with it but every now and then one would come on shift and tut tut at me for having done it. They usually shut up when I point out that they don't respond to the alarms in any sort of prompt way - as I'm sure if I were to continue pointing that out up their chain of command they would then find some trouble.

I always tell people though that being in the hospital doesn't make you healthier, mainly because you can't sleep. The hospital should be the absolute last resort, and your first priority on finding yourself in one should be to figure out how to get out of it, even if it involves nursing care at home.

andy99

And in my experience (not surprisingly) they have all developed a good sense of what alarms can be ignored, so like a pump beeping because it's done delivering some medicine doesn't matter so they ignore it and let it beep, but it matters to the parents with new baby trying to get some sleep.

gregatragenet3

Yes but UI engineer performance is measured by user engagement and user engagement is measured by how much crap is clicked on.

Whats measured is whats managed, and so we have a bunch of unnecessary crap to click on because that pushes the engagement metric up.

magneticnorth

My previous Roomba had a bug where it would complain loudly at 3am about being unable to dock, 14 hours after its run cycle.

This led me to discover that there is no setting to disable sounds, you must take it apart and rip out the speaker, which I happily did.

I've switched to another brand of robot vacuum since then and that poor experience makes it pretty unlikely I'll use a Roomba again.

Revisional_Sin

When my wireless earphones reach 20 minutes of charge it starts warning me about this every minute. So this essentially cuts 20 minutes off it's battery life cause it's too annoying to use from then.

bsghirt

I know it's annoying to suggest that consumer preferences will fix stuff like this when clearly it comes from some corporate design culture that completely ignores consumer preference.

But in this case (a $50 device rather than a washing machine or something) why wouldn't you just get a different pair made by a different company?

igouy

Do you mean returning the wireless earphones, and then getting different?

bsghirt

No I mean just consider the money spent on the annoying ones lost and buy another pair.

No one wants to do that but for a relatively low ticket item which one uses for hours every day it seems masochistic not to do so.

porridgeraisin

Oh yeah. My headphones scream "battery low" every few minutes when they go to 20 mins of charge too. It's fucking annoying.