Panjandrum: The 'giant firework' built to break Hitler's Atlantic Wall
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·June 5, 2025kjellsbells
mhh__
> As the ww2 generation passes on,
I was at a picnic recently that happened to be on VE day, it really struck me that now London is only about 35% or so English as the ww2 generation would've known it, almost no one has a particularly good reason to bother paying attention. I'm sure I was the only person there who knows who Barnes Wallis was.
And yes I miss the boffins. They do still sort of exist but that type of mind has been strangled by the last few decades drive towards left-brained processes where everything basically has to be nailed down before the work actually starts.
That latter point is one reason why we're struggling so much - we owe a great debt to the generations who built all the infrastructure and housing. We didn't pay it off, we now can't really do anything at scale other than extract rent. The victorians were building a HS2 every few years.
arandomusername
> it really struck me that now London is only about 35% or so English
That's absolutely crazy. If you told this to a Brit during ww2, they would think they lost.
mhh__
congratulations, you're a terrorist https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/06/06/concern-over...
elephant81
https://www.neilobrien.co.uk/p/the-confluence?utm_medium=ios Tyler Cowen posted this last week, I was completely shocked by it. Worth reading on the state of the UK in general.
aerostable_slug
Various infantry bunkers laying about are also a reminder, but what really gets me are the bonkers last-ditch defensive weapons you can still find in places, like preset positions for flame fougasse batteries:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flame_fougasse
They speak to the particular combination of desperation, urgency, and ingenuity found in the UK at that time.
FridayoLeary
What i find even more remarkable is how every town, village, school and institution have memorials for those who lost their lives in the Great War. Usually there is another plaque attached in memory of WW2. It's hard to imagine the scale of deaths. The tragedy is how little was accomplished by the sacrifices of ww1. It had none of the moral clarity of ww2 nor did most of the deaths achieve any strategic purpose.
On the other hand i knew an old scientist who had quite a few interesting and amusing stories to share about his efforts in WW2. One of them was about his attempts to perfect a formala. Several factories exploded before they succeeded.
jltsiren
There was moral clarity in West and South Europe. But if you happened to be in East Europe, WW2 was primarily a war between nazism and communism. Everyone else was trying to find the least bad option, which usually meant choosing a side and switching it at least once.
sorcerer-mar
It's worth pointing out explicitly that WW2 didn't have the moral clarity that it does today either. The vast majority of the western world was perfectly content to let Hitler run Europe and Japan to run Asia.
MattPalmer1086
What do you define as the vast majority of the western world? Just the US?
nocoiner
You would probably enjoy the book “Backroom Boys” by Francis Spufford.
closewith
> British Isles
Britain and occupied Northern Ireland.
> I'm always struck by how easy it is to hike into some remote part of the UK and learn that the parish school was a training ground for Italian resistance fighters or that some park in remote scotland was where they trained commandos.
You're more likely to find a memorial to a historical genocidal tyrant or crime against humanity in Britain than anything worth celebrating. Britain helped fight a greater evil in the Nazis during the Second World War, but make no mistake - they were the lesser evil, not anything to be admired or vaunted.
codeduck
Good Lord, how can you function with that massive chip on your shoulder?
MangoToupe
Most of the globe seems to function just fine.
cperciva
No nation is exclusively good, but I would challenge you to name a nation which did both more good and less evil.
MangoToupe
You'd have to articulate how you see the UK doing good to furnish a comparable example.
xg15
I mean, they did supply a substantial part of the world's independence days...
bee_rider
I mean, you might be able to make some kind of argument about the good outdoing the evil (I think it would be hard, but hey, I won’t call a line of argument impossible until I see it happen). But, the idea that it would be challenging to name a country that did less evil than GB is pretty ridiculous, right?
Most countries didn’t have colonial empires, so GB is pretty high up there (arguably not at the top) in the evil rankings.
closewith
Than the United Kingdom? The obvious answer in line with my comment is Ireland.
amiga386
It's the same old theme since 1916
In your head, in your head, they're still fighting
the__alchemist
Panjandrum: Fraa Orolo’s pejorative term for a high-ranking official of the Sæcular Power.
lelandfe
Stephenson enjoys the word. He also used it in Cryptonomicon. I keep a running list of new words I encounter and share them online occasionally. Someone once recognized I was reading Cryptonomicon just from a string of those new words, lol.
KineticLensman
If you enjoy encountering new words and phrases such as 'theurgic vermin' then you might like China Miéville’s Kraken. I had to read it with a copy of the OED and Wikipedia to get the most from it.
Rebelgecko
I had a pretty good list for Polostan
ben_ja_min
Thank you for this. I was going nuts trying to figure out where I had read this before. Peace and love! For the uninitiated, the Neil Stephenson novel, "Anathem", is brilliant and extremely entertaining.
6LLvveMx2koXfwn
And if you enjoyed that you'd possibly enjoy The Glass Bead Game
icameron
There’s good footage of actual tests about 40 seconds into this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJQqXXENYsI
sevensor
Nevil Shute is worth a read. Best known for On The Beach, probably, but I enjoyed Round the Bend more.
KineticLensman
There's a recreation of a Panjandrum in the iconic UK WW2-set comedy 'Dad's Army' [0] which captures the essential nuttiness of the real device
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Round_and_Round_Went_the_Great...
daverol
I always preferred the thinking behind the 'Conundrum' used in Operation Pluto. No big bangs but excellent logistics - see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Pluto
decremental
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As the ww2 generation passes on, it's easy to forget the degree of utter, total mobilization that went on in the British Isles during the war. I'm always struck by how easy it is to hike into some remote part of the UK and learn that the parish school was a training ground for Italian resistance fighters or that some park in remote scotland was where they trained commandos. Perhaps its because the country is quite small, and they had to use every inch, but it always seems remarkable.
I think the notion of odd, but brilliant, boffin is deeply embedded in British culture. Or was, until at least the 2000s. The Great Egg Race on TV being a fine example.