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Valve takes another step toward making SteamOS a true Windows competitor

danpalmer

I can't wait. I recently built a gaming PC and installed Windows on it, having only used macOS/Linux since about 2008. People decry the fall in quality of macOS, but damn did using modern Windows make me appreciate macOS more. I'm still now, 6 months later, finding new places I need to disable Edge, new adverts I need to disable, new dark patterns, new subscription trials to dodge. I look forward to the day I can run Steam OS on it and never touch Windows again.

attendant3446

I also recently built a gaming PC. First I installed Pop!_OS and it worked really well for games. But as I do some work on it, I wanted something with fresh(er) packages, so I installed CachyOS instead. Games still work (Proton is fantastic) and I have access to AUR. Just try installing Linux, gaming on Linux is not bad at all.

CactusRocket

May I ask why you want to wait for Steam OS? Especially if you have Linux experience already.

Last year I was fed up with Windows, and switched to Linux. Since I had a lot of experience with Linux already, I went with Arch. I thought it was going to be really difficult. Sure, the initial setup was a lot of work, but now I'm extremely happy with it. Much happier than I ever was running Ubuntu, Mint, etc.

But anyway, nowadays I don't even think about that I'm running Linux anymore. I have a pretty big Steam library and play a lot of games. I install a game, I run it, and play it. I haven't found any instance where it doesn't work yet. Granted, I don't play multi-player games nor games with DRM (I'm a patient gamer, most games I play are >2 years old).

xnickb

Nothing is stopping you from switching right away. It's not as hard. You can check whether the games you are interested in are supported on protondb

danpalmer

I know, I have a Steam Deck and enjoy Steam OS on that, but what I want is as close to a console like experience (which is what Windows is not giving me). Right now it seems that DIY installs of Steam OS are not yet as simple as I want for that sort of experience, and I'm not looking for another Linux sysadmin hobby machine, I've got enough of those.

I'm waiting until there's a big download button on a Valve page, and ideally a supported upgrade path from an existing Windows install.

constantcrying

There is nothing Steam OS will give you that isn't available right now.

Use any low maintenance Linux distro and install Steam through flatpak and you got the exact experience you want. There is no difference. You are waiting for something which might never come out so that installing might be 10 minutes faster. That is totally absurd.

Steam OS ist not more maintenance than any other low maintenance distro.

rockyj

Nope, do not fall into the hype, i did this and a lot of games did not work. Driver issues, random crashes not to mention games from big studios straight up do not work and are not supported due to anti-cheat software or another layer of sign-in. Yes, some games work but can also stop working with the next driver/kernel update. I also want to completely stop using Windows but it is still very hard for a gaming PC.

Hasnep

That's why they suggested checking protondb, it really depends on the type of games you play. All the games I play work fine on Linux, but if you want to play Fortnite or League of legends then you're out of luck.

blahlabs

I would suggest checking out Bazzite, if you haven't already. Fantastic gaming-focused linux distro, based on Fedora Kinoite.

constantcrying

Steam OS ob Desktops is entirely pointless.

Why do you care about having that particular Arch derivative? Any mainstream distro (except Ubuntu derivatives) are perfectly usable for gaming.

There really is no point in waiting for Valve to drop their own Arch derivative. It won't do anything you can not do right now.

cyberpunk

Why aren’t Ubuntu derivatives usable for gaming?

constantcrying

Because Ubuntu is the worst mainstream Linux Distribution available.

Hikikomori

EU version of windows doesn't have many of these issues.

constantcrying

As some who uses EU Windows for work I can assure you that it is a terrible OS, with a terrible interface and a terrible user experience as well.

npteljes

This is great. The more players are on this, the more visible this effort is, the more the bugs will get fixed and developers incentivized to support SteamOS. Valve is in a real position to dethrone Windows as the de-facto PC platform. Such an excellent company for user value.

legitster

I'm not a Windows hater, but for the last several years I have been attempting to operate a usable gaming HTPC and the experience could not have been a lousier waste of time.

The thing that sucks the most (and SteamOS doesn't fix) is that the PC ecosystem is fracturing out of control. Steam alone can't do it for me - I have games now in Oculus, Meta, and Xbox. Or my favorite game (Anno 1800 being locked behind a POS Uplay launcher). Windows is the only game in town if you want to do everything, but they can't get out of their own way.

0xDEAFBEAD

I'm having a very similar experience here. I finally got a Windows box, hooked it up to my TV, and assumed that everything would just work since I'm on Windows for once. In fact, lots of games will crash on launch, or glitch the display so bad they're unplayable, or ignore my Windows Night Light settings, or not offer the controller support which was promised. Ironically, the games which work best are the ones that worked on Mac/Linux anyway. Presumably, those are the ones where the devs actually put in the work to ensure broad compatibility.

I think there is an opening for SteamOS to create console-type compatibility guarantees for a machine which also doubles as a general-purpose PC. Honestly if Valve doesn't get their act together somehow, I might just switch to a traditional console. I love Steam's Big Picture Mode, but if half my games don't even work, what's the point? (And don't get me started on how they killed the Steam Controller...)

weird_trousers

Very good news!

I believe that Microsoft does not care about Gaming those days, so it is definitely time for Valve to jump in and win some percentages in the market.

We know for sure that Windows shares will not drop drastically based on this move, and that the tendency will progress among years (not months). Now, we have to make sure that Valve is not evil... and I do not believe they are angels they claim since the beginning. To me Valve is like Google was in beginning of 2000s : invest on open-source, have a good fanbase, ... and once you have a significant percentage of the market share / users then you can move evil.

coffeebeqn

I think they’re showing us how mature user-facing Linux in 2025 really is. With a little focus and investment on the UX for the end user on top of the open source core OS it has already beat any console OS by a mile.

Manfred

SteamOS actually does the opposite.

It does not use any of the popular desktop environments (unless you drop into Desktop Mode). It heavily curates hardware, kernel, and drivers to keep the platform from breaking and install with sane (performance) defaults for gaming. It doesn't rely on a common package manager.

Beside a Steam Deck I also use a Linux PC for gaming and even with 25 years of Linux experience I still struggle sometimes to keep hardware acceleration working after a driver update, sometimes spending an evening of troubleshooting instead of gaming. Certain parts of the desktop environment sometimes lock up to the point where I have to SSH into the PC to fix it. It's like owning a vintage car in a certain way.

And yes, I prefer all of that over the Windows experience, but it's not seamless and not simple enough for anyone to just jump into.

Gigachad

They have a custom window manager because they had to build a controller friendly UI from scratch since one didn’t exist already. Not because existing DEs are broken.

Their package management also isn’t that exotic. It’s a lot like Fedora Silverblue where the OS is an immutable image and user software is installed with Flatpak.

selivanovp

Quit using Arch. Normal linux distros have no such problems.

Ekaros

By in essence using none of desktop Linux... Steam Deck shows just how bad things are. Regular users will spend their entire time in very limited application launching other applications. Distant way from any traditional personal computer model.

tuna74

There is no "desktop Linux". There is desktop infrastructure and Desktop environments that run ON Linux.

Ygg2

Linux biggest problem as a consumer OS was rarely tech and mostly just the schizoid amount of options, and lack of consensus on what to use.

In essence Linux suffers from a Lisp curse. Whenever two OS nerds disagreed on something they made their own slightly different distro.

This means wasted effort on multiple DE, window managers, app flavors, installed libraries. To this day, almost no two distros can agree on baseline libraries every Linux must have.

spookie

I love how in this context people call it wasted effort while in other areas is just competition.

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tuna74

Linux is not a full OS. It is "only" an OS kernel. Linux can't replace Windows. Fedora or Ubuntu can.

ekianjo

> Linux biggest problem as a consumer OS was rarely tech and mostly just the schizoid amount of options, and lack of consensus on what to use.

It's only a problem if you think it is. In practice I use at least 3 or 4 different distros on a daily basis and I never have any issue juggling between them. For most of the typical use cases it does not even matter, and on the desktop side flatpak resolves many issues.

nfg

> I believe that Microsoft does not care about Gaming those days.

I’d be interested in hearing you expand on that!

Disclaimer: I work there :-)

petepete

I suspect it's not about Gaming not working well on Windows but that gamers are likely enthusiasts and Windows 11:

* is difficult/impossible to install without tying up a Microsoft Account

* has ads baked in

* is trying to force feed everyone Copilot when most people just don't care

* comes preinstalled with bloat

It's a pity. There's a great OS hiding in there somewhere. A consumer version of LTSC would probably make gamers very happy.

charcircuit

>is difficult/impossible to install without tying up a Microsoft Account

Gamers probably already have a Microsoft account as its required for games like Minecraft or services like Gamepass. A Microsoft account is needed for Windows Hello to function.

>has ads baked in

Do you have an example. I think it's more likely the user installed malware if ads are showing up unexpectedly. Gamers are more likely to install malware like this and Windows's security is not good enough to stop it especially when gamers use admin accounts and disable uac.

>is trying to force feed everyone Copilot when most people just don't care

How is it being forced? I haven't seen it on my machine. I assume people who don't care could just ignore it or disable the feature if they don't want it. Being able to look up help for games using Copilot seems like a feature that gamers may find valuable.

>comes preinstalled with bloat

Bloat is subjective. Actual performance issues caused by unneeded things running while in games would be. The mere existence of unused pteinstalled applications doesn't necessarily cause problems to gamers.

weird_trousers

Reducing costs in Xbox and development partners, the state of the Xbox games submission (and the SDK... as a game engine developer it is the worst and the buggiest of all three major consoles), and finally all the communication and the investment in (crappy) AI from Microsoft and the large reduction of investment in gaming from them.

I know this comes from the Microsoft management side, and not from the devs.

ekianjo

When something is a default, it's not by choice. So people play on Windows because they have a computer running Windows, not because it's made for that.

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0xDEAFBEAD

I would love to see Valve partner with hardware companies to sell "Steambooks" which run SteamOS out of the box. I'll bet they could capture a significant fraction of the market for gaming laptops, and expand the market for Linux preinstalls.

Linux is nicer than Windows for developers and power users; the main issue is hardware compatibility. Preinstalls address that.

michaelt

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steam_Machine_(computer)

Valve tried “steam machines”, OEM devices intended to provide a console-like experience. It wasn’t a big success (although that might have been a botched implementation rather than something fundamentally wrong about the concept, IDK)

gpderetta

The OS and software support just wasn't there.

Steam OS is much more refined now and with proton there is significantly better compatibility.

I would be definitely interested on a Steam Deck consolle-like appliance.

Of course you can just connect the steam deck to the TV, but it seems wasteful, you could have a better CPU/GPU while not need battery and screen. Also we need a new version of the steam controller!

Maybe one day.

0xDEAFBEAD

Fair point. I still think they'd have a shot if they explicitly marketed it as a dual-use work/play device.

Here's one way to think about it. The Steam Machine was asking gamers to buy a new device so they can game on their TV. Its failure shows that most Steam users were happy to keep gaming on their PC.

But, almost everyone wants to buy a laptop every once in a while. And as long as you're buying a laptop, if you're a gamer, you might as well buy the gaming laptop which is running SteamOS and has really strong gaming compatibility.

Maybe it's just wishful thinking on my part.

fracus

Windows is losing the market. People don't care about programs anymore, everything the common person needs is online. Gamers want to game, and browse, and use discord. For non gamers, Ubuntu covers everything with no threat of viruses or getting cluttered with ads.

johnisgood

Achem, Ubuntu had ads before, I am not sure if this is still the case, but I would not be surprised.

Why the down-vote? Do I need to flood HN with links? It actually had ads. Go ahead and search for it (or ask me), there were ads in more than one places. It even had ads in its motd (and gnome notifications, and somewhere else I forgot)... I do not care if it is your favorite Linux distribution, it ACTUALLY had ads (and might still do) in more than one places.

So "not getting cluttered with ads" is not so certain. Only if they got rid of all ads, but the future is still not certain with regarding to it, as they have done it before without blinking an eye.

See some links https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44079458 for Amazon ads.

Also https://askubuntu.com/questions/1083504/how-to-disable-the-a... for bit.ly links in motd.

If you need more, I am willing to provide.

Gigachad

There “ads” and then there’s “ADS”. Ubuntu might show a bit of text in the ssh motd promoting their own services, but it’s very unobtrusive compared to the ads on other platforms.

johnisgood

It was not just their own services, mate. It showed Amazon ads, too.

https://www.thefastcode.com/en-idr/article/how-to-disable-th... (How To Disable the Amazon Search Ads in Ubuntu's Unity Dash)

https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/10asnf/ubuntu_will_n...

https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/10hmmb/ubuntu_privac...

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/10/privacy-ubuntu-1210-am...

So yeah, no. To all the down-voters, they were actual ads, and they actually were in Ubuntu. Sorry.

magic_hamster

Windows have definitely lost me. I grew up on Windows (and DOS...) and while there was always loud criticism pointed at Microsoft, personally I loved everything about Windows from 98 to windows 7. I even liked Windows ME (it's really cool, I swear, and it introduced Movie Maker!) and Vista (best Aero theme to date probably) and obviously XP and 7 as the big winners.

But with 10 and 11 Windows became a massive adware, user experience plummeted, and the OS constantly gets in my way.

The only good thing about Windows in 2025 is wsl. So what does that say?

I tried daily driving Mint and I was instantly filled with nostalgia and appreciation for how the OS really tries to help me do whatever I need, gets out of the way, doesn't ask for anything or makes product "suggestions". It's so smooth and simple compared to Windows right now.

Of course it helps that by now I have more than enough Linux experience, but I would still recommend Mint over Windows to most people.

glimshe

What are these Windows ads everybody talks about? I'm a daily Windows user but haven't seen any besides the prompts for making bing the default.

To be transparent, I use Windows Pro and am a Microsoft 365 subscriber for my business. Is this why I don't see ads?

blitzar

Chromebooks were there over a decade ago.

thor-rodrigues

If you're serious about using SteamOS for your gaming computer or home theater PC, I highly recommend Bazzite.

Bazzite is a Linux operating system, built on SteamOS, that's designed to make it easy to use with different hardware and controllers. It simplifies the installation process and works really well with other game launchers that aren't on Steam, and you can set it up to look like a game console with the SteamOS interface or a regular computer with a desktop.

The only real problem I had was with competitive multiplayer shooter games require kernel-level anti-cheat software, that doesn't work with Linux.

But if playing online multiplayer isn't your main thing and you’re sick of windows being as intrusive as it is, Bazzite is an outstanding choice for a gaming or home theater computer.

https://bazzite.gg/

Hasnep

One small correction, Bazzite isn't built on Steam OS, it's based on Fedora.

constantcrying

I HIGHLY recommend that you do not install niche distros. Larger distributions give you more stability and more features, they are better maintained and supported.

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loehnsberg

If Valve was serious about Mac as a platform, they would port their Source games, like they ported Portal 1&2 for the Switch. To some extend I understand this, because Apple isn‘t serious either, no matter how often they show me a Dual Sense loitering near a Mac screen.

jillesvangurp

There were some volunteers working on this topic that kind of backed away from this topic. But they got quite far with this.

What I don't get is why Valve isn't backing such efforts financially. There are millions of wealthy mac owners out there with pretty capable hardware. That should translate into quite a bit of steam purchases.

I just got a shiny m4 max laptop. I run Steam on a much less capable crappy old Samsung laptop (via manjaro). Would I run that on my mac if I could? Yes. Would I be tempted to spend a bit of cash on some fun games. Probably. Am I doing that currently? No, because that crappy old Samsung is too old and most games don't run on it. And I'm not in a mood to buy a dedicated gaming machine. I might at some point but just not a priority. But I don't mind dropping a few euros on a game to entertain myself once in a while.

izacus

There's nothing much to get, Steam Hardware Survey shows that Steam usage currently sits at 1.6% for macOS which is LESS than even Linux: https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Softw...

And with Apple's hostility towards gamers with moves like refusal to support OpenGL or Vulkan (adding extra Metal support work to their developers) and refusal to keep stable APIs for a long time for game developers, it makes sense for them to rather focus on a crowd that is easier to support.

When it comes to gaming, Apple is its own enemy since forever and has been similarly failing to gain serious traction even on iOS (considering how powerful the iOS hardware is). iPads could be Steam Decks of their time and Apple just never cared enough.

hnlmorg

Steam is already available for macOS and there are numerous games available for the platform.

If Valve were getting high numbers of people installing the macOS Steam client, and you can bet they do already have that telemetry, then they would take the platform more seriously. But most macOS users aren’t interesting in gaming on their Mac.

CaliforniaKarl

You may be interested in purchasing a Steam Deck, or similar product. I am in a similar situation, where home machine is a Mac Mini. I wanted to play various games, but did not want to purchase (and maintain) a Windows machine. A Steam Deck—plus USB-C dock, connected to monitor and speakers—has been a good substitute for me.

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nialv7

Switch has (certified) OpenGL and Vulkan. Mac has none of them.

mmcnl

Curious to why they (both Apple and Valve) are not serious about it. The MacBook Air could actually be a great gaming device. It has extremely capable hardware at a very low price point. And for Valve it would be an instant expansion of their user base with a large number of new potential customers.

michaelt

Apple had the opportunity to stay on x86, where the 20+ year back catalog of games is.

Apple decided the benefits of moving to ARM outweighed the loss of gamers.

mschuster91

The problem is, Epic is not going to tie themselves to the arbitrary deprecation whims of another company again, and Apple is truly infamous for that. No matter if there could actually be some serious money to be made from the huuuuge catalog of titles that already have a Nintendo Switch port.

Ygg2

I think Valve counts Macs as lost.

vaylian

Apple's app store is hard to compete with. Which is probably also why Valve invested aggressively into Linux when Microsoft tried to establish a similar closed environment.

ekianjo

Even was Steam had a good client for Mac, most gamers on Mac just relied on Bootcamp to play games, so this is what you get...

Gigachad

Boot camp was just a way to literally run windows.

Gaming on Mac died when they killed 32bit support and didn’t support Vulkan. Apple has pretty consistently shown almost no effort in making gaming on Mac work so everyone else has just ignored it.

larodi

So Steam OS is not based on Wine and other OSS libs? What does it mean really that Valve takes steps forward to making some OS windows-compatible? is it only ever a single company doing it?

LeoPanthera

SteamOS is an Arch Linux derivative with a games compatibility layer called Proton, which is indeed based on Wine.

It has a proprietary launcher for games, but also comes with Plasma Desktop.

Gigachad

There’s like a million little bits of software valve has created over many years all bundled together that make steamos incredible. It’s hard to properly do justice because it’s all tiny bits of polish that are individually fairly uninteresting but all stack up.

I’ve tried using Fedora as my TV gaming rig but steamos is much better as it out of the box has everything you need. No installing extra drivers for things like Xbox controller support. And it has a fully controller navigable OS that lets you do a lot of advanced system management stuff that you’d otherwise need a mouse and keyboard for.

Also for a while now Valve has been the main contributors towards wine and other gaming on Linux projects.

jokoon

I wonder how Microsoft will react to this.

I also think that nvidia might not like it, and I wonder if there are actors who can undermine steamos.

barbs

I wonder if Riot Games will ever make their games run natively on Linux? AFAIK some of their games ran via wine but they introduced an anti-cheat system that now prevents that from working.

guax

Only market share will change that. The Proton making linux gaming this good is an incredible trojan horse to a more open OS market. The more people use it, the more incentive companies have to support it entirely, not only by making the game run well on the compatibility layer but making it native.

My pipe dream is that Proton becomes so successful that it kills itself by making linux gaming profitable enough to be first party supported. My long wish of having a decent gaming and development environment will finally come true, just in time for me to not care so much about one or the other.