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NASA Study Reveals Venus Crust Surprise

perihelions

- "Several upcoming missions, including NASA’s DAVINCI (Deep Atmosphere Venus Investigation of Noble gases, Chemistry, and Imaging)"

DAVINCI is actually cancelled in the latest budget request. For obvious reasons, the NASA press office (the OP) won't talk about this. But 50% of NASA's science funding is gone.

https://spacenews.com/white-house-proposal-would-slash-nasa-...

trelane

The full proposed budget is available at https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/Fiscal... folks are interested in seeing the whole picture and reasoning.

mmooss

> reasoning

The justification? I don't think they are open about their reasoning.

erkt

Typo in your URL. replace the last l with a d ....".pdf" not ".plf"

trelane

Thanks! Fixed.

And no thanks to autocorrect.

nradov

HTTP 404

gammarator

> But 50% of NASA's science funding is gone.

The proposed cuts to science are catastrophic, but there’s still time to call your Congressperson.

https://aas.org/posts/news/2025/05/week-of-action

jmclnx

That really stinks. As I said before, the US is handing all good research and science ti China.

p1mrx

> Scientists expected the outermost layer of Venus’ crust would grow thicker and thicker over time

I recall watching this NOVA episode in 1995 where scientists had no idea whether the lithosphere is thick or thin. Seek to 36 minutes: https://archive.org/details/VenusUnveiled/NOVA.S22E10.Venus....

bryan0

I remember that episode being excellent! Scientists could tell that Venus’s crust was somehow reforming because of the crater pattern but the didn’t know whether it was gradual change or something catastrophic, and the thickness of the crust would point to one way or the other but they didn’t have that data.

> The paper used modeling to determine that its crust is about 25 miles (40 kilometers) thick on average and at most 40 miles (65 kilometers) thick.

So would that be considered “thick” or “thin”?

geuis

I'm blown away at the number of huge volcanos and relative lack of craters. If that's right, Venus must recycle its surface relatively often.

floxy

Are you just looking at the photo to determine volcanoes and craters? Wouldn't we expect that with so much atmosphere on Venus, that meteors would have a much harder time reaching the surface? That is, much larger ones would burn up or get deflected than on Earth.

WalterBright

I wonder if Venus could be terraformed via a sun shield placed in orbit around it. How big would it have to be to reverse the runaway greenhouse effect?

gamescr

Part of the problem is having too much atmosphere. In the original Cosmos Carl Sagan talked about a hypothetical solution where we capture asteroids, and throw them at Venus in such a way that they just nick the atmosphere and knock large quantities of atmosphere out into space. One you reduce atmospheric pressure to a certain level, things could become habitable.

Then throw in iron form the atseroid belt to react with it to form carbonates. Venus is dry so brining in hydrogen form the outer planets would be necessary anyway to form wate r and thta will account for a good bit. Garden the surface so subsurface rocks which might react with the atmosphere cna absorb some. (Assumign the subsurface rocks are thta reactive.) Scoop it off with smaller versions of the same scoops used to harvets hydrogen from the gas giants.

dylan604

Couldn't we just build a MegaMaid and suck the atmosphere out? If we're going to go sci-fi, it seem easier to hoover it out than capture an asteroid and nick the atmosphere just right.

BuyMyBitcoins

Then, move the MegaMaid into an orbit around Mars and go from suck to blow. Venus has too much atmosphere, Mars has too little. Win Win.

shepardrtc

Something like a solar powered space elevator that just blows atmosphere into the sun

jovas

Venus has a retrograde day that is longer than it's year.

While the atmosphere is a big problem, even without this issue the rotation would be problematic.

mousethatroared

If the commenters are discussing diverting enough meteors to terraform Venus, there's enough fantasy to consider using nukes to apply the necessary torque to speed the orbit up

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vardump

Venus probably doesn't have enough hydrogen to be of any use.

cyberax

I've read a crazy proposal:

1. "Humidify" the atmosphere by crashing comets into Venus. This will also allow us to create a temporary "cloud" around Venus that can shield it from the Sun and lower down the temperature.

2. Once the temperature is low enough, Venus will get oceans on its surface.

3. At this point, CO2 can be split into carbon and oxygen. Oxygen will be immediately bound by the huge amount of under-oxidized iron on the surface, and carbon can be buried under the new ocean. Essentially, carboniferous age for Venus.

4. Once this is done, the atmosphere will be mostly nitrogen (at ~3 bar) and people could live there with just respirators. Eventually, once the surface iron is oxidized, the atmosphere can even be made breathable.

Apparently, this can be done within 2000-5000 years without any exotic-level engineering.

dataflow

How many comets would you have to crash and how would one redirect and crash them that wouldn't make this exotic-level?

Loughla

We'll be dead by then I'm afraid.

quotemstr

Venus is a damned shame. Had planetary evolution gone just slightly differently, the solar system could have had two habitable water planets. Mars, owing to its size, was never going to cut it, but Venus might have.

netsharc

I wonder how a system with 2 planets with intelligent lifeforms would've developed culturally and politically... if both civilizations grew at the same rate, 2 Galileos would've looked at the other planet and figured out "we have neighbors!", but it'd be several hundred more years before communication could be done. Even know we don't have manned missions to Mars or Venus...

lisper

> a system with 2 planets with intelligent lifeforms

That is an extremely unlikely scenario because both intelligent life forms would have had to evolve before either of them developed space flight. It took homo sapiens 4 Gyr to evolve in the first place but only 100 kyr to develop space flight after that. So the odds are slim to none.

criddell

Does intelligent life mean only human-level intelligence? If we found a bunch of chimp-like animals running around, would that count as intelligent life?

joemi

I don't know why you'd think it'd be several hundred more years before communication could be done. If they can both observe each other, then all that's left is to devise a way to signal back visually. Seeing proof of one's neighbors would definitely drive people to develop ways to communicate, though I guess both planets would need to be similarly driven in order to establish communication.

gcanyon

H.G. Wells has you covered here.

fallingknife

Luckily we are up gravity well from them and also have a moon as a great source of low launch cost projectiles.

gcanyon

Using Hohmann transfer, I believe the energy cost is the same both ways. Of course as you point out we have the Moon, "they" have none. So we'd have plenty of rocks to throw.

That said, we'd have to throw much bigger rocks to penetrate their atmosphere. And the likely (to me) actual plans would be:

Us: launch to the Moon, set up there, launch rocks from the Moon to Venus.

Venusians: launch and travel to the asteroid belt, launch an asteroid toward Earth.

The more I think about it, the more I realize that our plan would be the same as theirs: we'd both be heading for the asteroid belt, because nothing we could reasonably launch from the Moon would put a dent in Venus with that atmosphere.

And if we assume they actually can launch through that atmosphere, we're screwed: if they can do that, they're way ahead of us.

kgwxd

Sounds delicious.

minitoar

I would absolutely demolish a Venus Crust Surprise

ossopite

From the headline I can't decide if it was a study in astronomy or gastronomy