National Archives Releases Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAP) Records
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·April 28, 2025hayst4ck
jjtheblunt
Are you assuming people take this stuff seriously in the large, rather than just amusement?
tomrod
Oooooh yes. Several group chats I'm on with family or kids I knew growing up are blowing up with "See, I told you!" I blame 80s AM non-religious talk radio for this one.
hayst4ck
Absolutely, and if you don't think they do, you live in a great amount of privilege.
squigz
Even putting aside the crazies that do passionately believe in this stuff, a lot of fairly regular people, who may not necessarily truly believe it, still think about it as a sort of "But what if it's true?" mindset, which still plays into the issue GP describes.
esseph
I have some news for you...
It's worse than you think.
aduffy
These are not new releases, here's Reddit from a year ago people discussing them: https://old.reddit.com/r/StrangeEarth/comments/1aru95c/these...
Search for "The Amalgamated Flying Saucer Club of America", there's a lot of discussion that these photos may have been a hoax. I'm not sure why these would be just getting release by National Archives now, perhaps as a distraction?
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lutusp
> I'm not sure why these would be just getting release by National Archives now, perhaps as a distraction?
Maybe, or maybe they wanted to avoid giving the content unearned credibility through concealment. The easiest way to turn a mystery into a nothingburger is to release it to the public.
> ... there's a lot of discussion that these photos may have been a hoax.
Yes, or sightings by people constitutionally unable to distinguish Venus from a UFO.
knowknow
It’s amazing how something that has not resulted in any concrete examples or real world implications can cause such a hysteria for decades.
1970-01-01
It's just culture. I'm glad the National Archives are able to preserve it for future generations, as nobody really knows when all our unofficial archives, all the FTP servers that have been running in a basement since 1994, finally quit.
lutusp
> It’s amazing how something that has not resulted in any concrete examples or real world implications can cause such a hysteria for decades.
You mean, like, religion?
cantrecallmypwd
Religion, team sports, and politics. Also, cold fusion and VR.
esseph
Add:
* Crypto
* AI
* GNU (shots fired, lol)
RajT88
I keep waiting for something related to this one to be released:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cash%E2%80%93Landrum_inciden...
Seems clear that it was some black program cold war nuclear propulsion vehicle that never saw the light of day.
tomrod
Absolutely nuts: https://catalog.archives.gov/id/305558927
Though, I'm not sure how good finishing technology was back then, this could have been faked.
I really wonder why we can't get a clear answer on whether these are really extraterrestrial or just advanced tech. One would imagine if it were a conspiracy that it would have leaked in full by now.
quuxplusone
That photo series in particular is well-debunked. See:
https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/57629/whats-the...
> These are known to be Paul Villa’s UFO photographs from 1964 and are part of a larger narrative where he claimed contact with extraterrestrial beings. [...] > > How these photographs wound up in the Goddard Space Flight Center records collection is unknown.
https://xcancel.com/humansareindef1/status/17581524853055121...
> Initial observations: narrow focal depth...object sharpness in front of trees implies it's small, around 8 to 12 in. > > Vented disc brake rotors were introduced in the 60s, patented in 1929. This looks like a vented disc brake rotor with a domed hubcap on top. Compare the images.
(Click through to either the Twitter thread or the StackExchange quotation-of-the-Twitter-thread to see the images of the original hubcap and the "UFO" side by side.)
ghc
That photo is so perfectly framed, I think it has to have been faked. I bet the "disk" was probably hung from a tree and the fishing wire was just invisible to the camera.
awesome_dude
Look, the photographer just happened to be setting up a photo of a random spot in the woods. It was pure chance that a UFO entered the view, and stayed still enough to not distort in the photo in any way.
Don't spoil the magic!!!!!!
losteric
What do you mean by “clear answer”? How would you definitively prove this is fake or real?
Some photo might be proven to be eg distant lights or inconstant lighting… but a bespoke prop and old / bad cameras? we can only say “it looks super fake”
1970-01-01
>How would you definitively prove this is fake or real?
What's old is new again.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Meier#Photographs,_films...
tomrod
Noted.
Also, I need better glasses -- the reminder is appreciated :)
lutusp
> What do you mean by “clear answer”? How would you definitively prove this is fake or real?
Most UFO/UAP lore relies on the impossibility of proving a negative, which BTW is a recognized logical fallacy.
I normally say it this way:
* A pseudoscientist assumes a theory is true until it's proven false.
* A scientist assumes a theory is false until it's proven true.MetaWhirledPeas
That looks like some hubcaps hanging from the trees by a fishing line.
ukuina
Yeah, modern sci-fi has embraced sharp aerodynamics so extensively that saucers now seem laughably fake.
tomrod
Great catch. Shadows look off too -- shadow as presented looks like sun is late afternoon, but the grass looks closer to noon.
random3
It’d be so interesting to correlate the occurrence object types with the sci-fi trends in contemporary trends books/movies. E.g. saucers are less trendy these days
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nullorempty
Or advanced extraterrestrial tech :) How 'bout a photo from july 1975 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Meier#/media/File:Billy_...
bigyabai
> According to Meier, the Plejaren gave him permission to photograph and film their beamships so that he could produce evidence of their extraterrestrial visitations.
...but not photograph any of them, of course. These "Plejaren" sound suspiciously indistinct from Second Directorate goons.
bigyabai
The more interesting stuff is the stuff that spooks the Pentagon: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_UFO_videos
Still not your concrete proof of alien craft, but the Navy FLIR footage has always spooked me a lot more than the 1960s Roswell-era stuff.
willsoon
It's all fake, just a prop to distract people with a poor judgment so the people with highest minds, like us, from raising a revolution against tyranny. Or sort of that.
cantrecallmypwd
There ain't no ET or alien vessels here. It's a cavalcade of distractions to baffle, befuddle, and bemuse the populace from focusing on the corruption, the lies, and the injustices.
russellbeattie
If I was a conspiracy nut, I'd say that all the good stuff will already have been removed, the government is still hiding the truth, and that the lizard men walk amongst us.
I'm not one, and I still think that. Well, maybe not that last bit.
throwaway984393
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willsoon
Ok. I got it. It's fake af. Why you mad, tho?
This type of thing is called spectacle. It is designed to titillate and distract people from real political action and prevent people who are easily fooled from applying their attention and effort to things that actually effect their lives. The ability to direct attention is an ability that creates pacification.
This UFO stuff seems to frequently break into my scope of attention when there are big things happening politically.
Authoritarians also love the "occult" and the idea of aliens fit that category. Occult beliefs legitimize irrational behavior.