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A $20k electric truck with manual windows and no screens? Meet Slate Auto

constantcrying

It is an interesting idea, but there is obviously a lot which can go wrong here.

Can you actually build an EV like that, conforming to all regulations, with significant cost reduction?

Do people actually want less screens or do they just say that? Is customization a road to profitability?(VWs ID.1 concept has a similar idea to lower entry price, by making several upgrades user installable, so they can be bought over time.

This is obviously a US only car and the US is very lacking in EV adoption. Will this sell in significant numbers?

Can you actually make it cheaply? Rivian is notoriously unprofitable and making cheap cars is, far, far harder than making expensive cars.

red-iron-pine

people definitely want less screens and have been loud about it for years now. the industry finally listened.

https://spectrum.ieee.org/touchscreens

https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/features/automakers-reth...

constantcrying

Both articles are about touchscreens, doesn't really seem relevant.

In either case stated preference and revealed preference are different things.

mixmastamyk

We won’t know until real choices are given. So demanding to know beforehand feels needlessly antagonistic.

M95D

> Rather than relying on a built-in infotainment system, you'll use your phone plugged into a USB outlet

Absolutely horrible.

3-4 standard DIN slots with simple plastic covers would let users install anything they want: a 2-DIN player, a 1-DIN CB radio and a 1-DIN equalizer or amp or tachograph, or simple storage space.

zelon88

I think it's perfect! I've fantasized about getting an old Nissan Hardbody, stuffing the bed with batteries and putting 2 overvoted forklift motors under the hood.

This is basically a reliable, commercially viable version of that concept.

guilamu

Jerry rigs everything did just that with an old army humvee. https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL0vZL9uwyfOFezIOiBjkdW3...

WarOnPrivacy

Price comes with a depressing caveat.

    at a starting price of less than $20,000, 
    assuming federal clean vehicle tax credits continue to exist.

NewJazz

That just means 27500 MSRP, still very low compared to the 70k-80k existing US options.

LinuxBender

If this is void of telemetry, dial-home and other fascistic crap then I would seriously consider it. It's in a similar price range of street legal UTV's but with more room assuming it stays in that range when it launches.

__turbobrew__

I want a hilux champ to do odd jobs around town. It will never make it here because it doesn’t meet safety standards, I really wish the nanny state would let me make my own decisions.

shermantanktop

If it doesn’t meet safety standard that protect the driver of the vehicle, that’s one thing. But unsafe cars are sometimes unsafe for the other car.

tpm

I don't know what is 'here' in your case but individual imports/approvals exist and don't have to go through the same hurdles as type approvals.

atoav

Safety standards are not only for you, for the biggest part they are for pedestrians, other vehicles an people that happen to be in the car with you.

When Americans complain about the "nanny state" I mentally replace it with "we collectively". Because that is what a state ought to be — a expression of collective will and common sense policy. If it isn't that way in your country currently, that isn't on the state, that is on the people who are supposed to hold the power. Quite frankly, an antagonistic perspective on "the state" might even help it becoming worse.

Collective rules are not needed if anybody just would act informed and reasonable. But that is not the case and never has been the case. Without a state the next-big entity (a company, some local war lord, a gang, a king) will become the force where the buck stops. Unless you want to be at their whim collective and divided power (Rule of Law) is the way to go.

I hope you do realize that what you're saying here could also be read as: "I really wish we (collectively) would let me (individually) make bad decisions that would hurt us (collectively) if everybody (individually) did it". But the ultra-individualistic insistance to not be part of society seems to be very trendy right now, and is usally made by people who rely on society to provide everything to them in ways they aren't even aware about.

zoom6628

Looks like is designed as a custom platform. The sort of things the kiddies will go mad over and build all sorts of custom rides. Bring it on!

trhway

many of us would like to repeat and relive the tech magic like that of PC circa 90-ies and into 2000s.

>The myth of the sub-$25,000 electric vehicle has been around for more than 10 years now,

Equinox EV is MSRP 33.6K before 7.5 tax rebate. Looks and sounds like a decent modern compact SUV.

screye

I accidentally flagged the post. Mods, please ignore the flag. The car looks great.

Jtsummers

You can unflag things you flag and there's no time limit on it. Just go to the top of the page and click on "unflag".

screye

did that but it still showed up greyed out. So replied for good measure.

Jtsummers

Submissions don't turn gray from getting flagged. Even [flagged][dead] submissions (if you have show dead on in your profile) show up in the same color as every other submission.

consumer451

Here is a video tour of the truck that just came out today:

https://youtu.be/out-F6n91qs

legitster

I'm the weirdo who still likes crank handles. They are actually faster at opening/closing windows. And one less set of electronics to fail.

Americans complain about the lack of affordable cars, but can't be bothered to buy anything with less than 4 doors and AWD and 20 inch wheels. So good luck to these guys.

WarOnPrivacy

> I'm the weirdo who still likes crank handles. They are actually faster at opening/closing windows.

Absolutely. Only one vehicle here has electric windows but that car was given to us. The other 6 vehicles are hand crank.

switch007

Definitely easier and less cognitive overhead when wanting it just open an inch or two!

Rather than remembering the exact right amount of pressure for that mode on the switch

mixmastamyk

Says no screens, but I'm interested in the absence of surveillance as well. If there's no telemetry/forced-apps I'd be interested.

I've asked before but still not sure how much information is given to a charger when you plug in an EV?

snailmailman

I'm very curious how they are managing "no screens". I thought all vehicles in the U.S. were required to have rear-view cameras for safety. I'm curious how they are getting around that.

Edit: I now see that the article speculates that maybe there's a screen in the rear-view window for this. But I can't find anything concrete.

LegionMammal978

My understanding is that the regulations require a certain amount of rear visibility, either directly in the mirror or via a rear-view camera. But the former likely wouldn't be possible with the bed in the way.

lyrrad

The Verge reports that the rearview camera will be on "a small display behind the steering wheel as a gauge cluster."

https://www.theverge.com/electric-cars/655527/slate-electric...

WarOnPrivacy

I feel ya but sabotaging telemetry still feels possible. De-screening a car seems solidly out of reach.

jeffrallen

The basic protocol from an AC charger to your car is, "hello, I have X amps available, don't take more or you will trip my circuit breaker". The car responds by charging at or below the current advertised.

When you charge in a context where the car unlocks the charger (i.e. Tesla Supercharger), the protocol must divulge the car's certificate, signed by the owner of the charging network (like mTLS). There would be privacy-preserving protocols for this, but they are not used in practice.

WarOnPrivacy

It has a reasonable profile instead of engineering based on overactive pituitary glands. A truck that doesn't make roads more dangerous feels unamerican.