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Scientists Develop Artificial Leaf, Uses Sunlight to Produce Valuable Chemicals

changoplatanero

Something I'm curious to know: How does the efficiency of this new process compare to using regular solar panels to generate electricity and then using that electrical energy to synthesize the same chemicals?

trollbridge

I'm also wondering how it compares to the efficiency of things like "grass" and "trees", which also convert sunlight into very useful things.

chongli

I'm just picturing whole new swathes of rainforest being clearcut and bulldozed to make way for "artificial leaf farms."

joak

Imagine you have 100 acres growing corn for biofuels, would it be nice to replace these by 99 acres of wilderness and 1 acre of photovoltaics producing the same amount of biofuels?

If your photovoltaics are 100x more efficient to produce your chemicals, agriculture is the dirty way of doing it.

saretup

Does it mention it’s 100x more efficient anywhere? Or is it just an example you’re providing, in which case, why not 1000x?

dwattttt

Make sure to include the time and inputs to make the grass, and especially trees; those don't just appear out of nothing. And we already know how it works, it's called logging.

lithocarpus

None of the inputs required for plants to grow require toxic pollution or destructive extraction.

Of course humans can bring in toxic or destructive inputs to try to favor certain plants over others, or humans can do other non destructive things to favor certain plants over others. Or humans can step aside and let the plants do their thing which will create abundance too. (I like the middle of these three.)

Also, trees provide far more value than timber alone.

moralestapia

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NiloCK

Warning: you may have become cynical.

I didn't read that comment as snarky at all - efficiency comparisons between emerging tech and SOTA (grass, trees) are extremely relevant!

(Warning to welf: you may be naive)

photochemsyn

After following the literature down several different rabbit holes, I found this argument in some of the supplementary figures on that tree that seems to address your question:

> "Supplementary Note 1 | Advantages of PEC hydrocarbon synthesis.

"In general, PEC systems have the potential to combine the performance of wired PV-electrolysis (PV-E) systems with the simplicity of photocatalytic (PC) systems. PV-E is an established technology, which can take advantage of commercial solar cell modules with light harvesting efficiencies above 20% 24 and state-of-the-art gas diffusion electrolysers operating at high current densities above 1 A cm-2.25 However, PV-E assemblies require additional components including reactors, membranes, pumps, corrosive electrolytes, external cables and control electronics, increasing the overall system complexity and associated cost.26,27"

"On the other hand, PC powders provide an inexpensive alternative to PV-E, since light absorber particles and any necessary catalysts are dispersed in solution, which greatly minimises the overall system complexity. However, wide band gaps and charge recombination often limits solar-to-hydrogen conversion efficiencies to below 1%.28 While a homogeneous dispersion of the light absorber and catalyst can increase reactivity, this also poses challenges for the subsequent separation of all components and products from the reaction mixture."

"Accordingly, PEC artificial leaves provide a balance between PV-E and PC approaches in terms of complexity, cost and performance, by integrating state-of-the-art semiconductors and catalysts into a single compact panel. These PEC devices can perform reactions beyond water splitting (e.g., CO2 reduction to C1 products, or the light-driven C2 hydrocarbon and organic synthesis introduced here), while allowing product separation between the anodic and cathodic sides. This intrinsic design advantage is demonstrated by lightweight PEC systems using 15-fold less material than conventional solar panels, which combine the high performance of wired systems with the high activity per gram of photocatalyst nanoparticles.29 This applicability and potential of PEC-based fuel production also translates to hydrocarbon synthesis. In addition, direct light-driven hydrocarbon synthesis is carbon neutral, avoiding the energy-intensive Fischer-Tropsch process for indirect hydrocarbon synthesis from syngas (H2 + CO)."

Practically speaking the catalysts in these processes have relatively short lifetimes, so you'd want to incorporate an efficient catalyst regeneration process into the production pipeline, i.e. you might only get 16-128 hours of efficient production before catalyst regeneration is required so that needs to be built into any commercial process. So if you can design a catalyst that's easy to regenerate, that's very important.

Source material with nice pictures of the copper nanoflowers:

https://static-content.springer.com/esm/art%3A10.1038%2Fs419...

bognition

Efficiency is likely much lower than solar panels, however, solar panels are expensive and complicated (chemically) to manufacture. Teaching plans to make stuff for us is a better long term solution as we can just grow the plants.

turtlebits

What? Solar panels are cheap and little to no maintenance. Even though wildly inefficient, I opted to heat water using PV instead of a solar hot water because of how low complexity it is.

Also, nowhere in the article does it mention growing these artificial leaves, they probably need to be manufactured.

pfdietz

I roll my eyes at these "artificial leaf" claims for just the reason you've identified.

trollbridge

Solar panels have a limited lifespan, decrease in efficiency over time, and also get ruined when things like hail happens. This doesn't mean PVs are a bad idea, but it's not accurate to say they have little to no maintenance.

krunck

Stuff like this(and fusion) is where we should be putting our research energies.

aeonik

You don't want another new JavaScript framework instead?

Speaking of which, it feels like we are overdue for the next big one. Is it actually slowing down?

Everybody just went head first into AI?

VladVladikoff

> Is it actually slowing down?

All I want for Christmas…

jumperabg

... is artificial leafs that create liquid fuel for fusion reactors.

noisebuffer

So can I make a realistic plant mech mobile suit now?

tcdent

In the next couple years we'll be modifying and creating biological structures that perform these functions.

Building it by mechanically manipulating inert materials feels so 1950s.

jfengel

Biology is stunningly efficient, but it's hard to optimize further. To get really high yields you usually need industrial processes.

wffurr

Solar panels are ten times more efficient than photosynthesis.

joak

Today it's 10x more efficient, but it could theoretical get 100x more efficient, worth working on it.

Layvier

isn't the self replicating property of life a huge benefit though?

rsoto2

I'm in my early thirties and I feel like i've heard about an "artificial leaf" every five years for the last fifteen.

We have leaves. Can scientists invent something to help us convince politicians to actually give a shit about saving the planet we depend on.

incompatible

Many politicians are more interested in protecting the coal, oil, and gas industries. Renewable energy and methods of extracting carbon from the atmosphere are the last things they want.

cyjackx

The pragmatic answer is that it is probably a better spend of time to innovate tech that circumvents politics than to spend time winning politics.

lukas099

A lot of the tech research and investment is done by governments, though.

Arkhadia

I think the reality is there is no saving anything. Only surviving as long as we can. Why dump billions into an impossible goal of saving when we could invest in survival? I hope I’m wrong but anyone that knows anything about investments knows that there’s a point where you need to cut your losses

doctorwho42

The system of economics that we use is quite new on the historical scale, using it in your argument to say that saving earth based life (which we are apart of) is not financially viable is the most absurd thing in modern society. Without the ecosphere, the economic system ceases to exist... So by the very definition, it is the utmost important and therefore not only viable but absolutely necessary.

fc417fc802

It isn't clear what criteria is being used here for "saving" something. People often use "save the planet" to mean stopping most or all ecological changes. That very well might not be viable in which case survival ie adaptation is the other option.

buuuddee

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aaron695

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yesbut

How many natural habitats will need to be destroyed in order to make artificial leaves useful in any meaningful way?

joak

Natural habitats has been destroyed by agriculture.

In the US 10-20% of agricultural land is used to produce chemicals like starch, sugar or biofuels, if we could use less land to produce these it would be great.

Photovoltaics could be up 100x more efficient in producing these chemicals.

This technology could free agricultural land back to natural habitats.

gaiagraphia

I'm pretty glad that when we've chopped down all our forests, we'll have mechanical leaves as a backup plan. Having the means to generate enough electricity to take oxygen out of the atmosphere could be useful.

mrbluecoat

> a perovskite and copper-based device that converts carbon dioxide into C2 products – precursory chemicals of innumerable products in our everyday lives, from plastic polymers to jet fuel

Star Trek Replicator?

gus_massa

The device makes ethane and ethylene, oversimplify it's just natural gas. You must put it inside a huge petrochemical refinery to join some of them to make plastic or fuel.