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More than 1,500 new fonts – including all-time favorites – come to Adobe Fonts

srameshc

Having paid cancellation fees after being extremely careful making subscription for specific products so as to avoid the same, I am never going to touch Adobe or it's products anymore. Affinity solves all our problems.

saltcod

1000000%

tobr

> Arial — A universal favorite for presentations and business documents

Because it used to* be available out of the box, everywhere. Not because it’s such a great typeface. I can’t imagine the sequence of short-sighted enterprise design decisions that puts someone in a position where they have to use Arial through Adobe Fonts.

* I guess that’s no longer true because of Android?

crazygringo

On the one hand, if you're editing a graphics file for a client that already uses Arial, you need Arial. Full stop. It doesn't matter if it's great or not.

On the other hand, Arial is pre-installed not just on Windows, but Macs and iOS. And Adobe doesn't make e.g. Illustrator for Android or Linux.

So what Creative Cloud app runs on an OS that doesn't already have Arial? What am I missing? Do they have something that runs on Android?

tobr

I don’t know enough about Adobe Fonts and don’t trust their own writing about it, but it seems like it supports web. So I suppose it might be a way to get a consistently poor typographic experience on all platforms.

crazygringo

Oh, that would make sense, as a webfont for Linux and Android.

Still, Arial isn't poor. It's nearly Helvetica. It's a knockoff, but all it does is simplify some letterforms. It's not like it destroys the spacing or balance or weight or anything. You're talking as if it were Comic Sans...

ibbtown

Talking about web and small busines: probably true. For lager company it was never really an option, because it was only licence free on windows. So no IBM ASF, iText on Solaris or other huge non-windows text renderer used arial even if they don't use a corporate design font

sonofhans

Yes, Arial is hot garbage. It’s a Microsoft-sponsored rebadge of Helvetica, made because Microsoft didn’t want to license an actual good type face.

This is like calling beige office walls a “universal favorite.” And I bet people at Adobe today are still confused by their poor reception on Bluesky. They lost the ability to talk to their customers years ago. They only have prisoners now.

jasonjmcghee

It's amazing to me when wildly successful companies have a great thing going and choose to try to squeeze customers instead of giving them reasons to be loyal, and then self-destruct.

Adobe and Unity both come to mind.

I don't think I've seen a brand increase margins at the cost of customer satisfaction, successfully.

BearOso

They're maxed out on customers so about the only things they can do are increase prices or make cuts. It's always just so they can bump up their quarterly reports. Only private companies risk doing anything decent any more because they're not tied to investors' whims.

Voultapher

The cancer school of thought, insist endless growth will be possible and must be pursued, despite all the evidence to the contrary.

JKCalhoun

Maybe there's a "corporate artist" market. You know, where the big company picks up the tab.

bitpush

What did unity do?

TiredOfLife

Made a decision to make you pay per install of your game. Including reinstalls.

The development community took it so well it lead to CEO stepping down and reversing of the decision.

BigParm

They're probably 5 thousand dollars. I would never touch an Adobe link with a 10 foot pole .

booi

Nono it’s $416/mo. And if you terminate before the 12 months is over then.. yes it’s $5,000

jamestimmins

This seems like a common misunderstanding. Lots of SaaS have cheaper annual pricing. IIUC Adobe lets you get the cheaper annual pricing and then pay for it on a monthly basis. If you cancel early, you have to pay out the rest of your annual plan. This is no different than if you'd paid for it up front, and prevents people from signing up for the annual plan to get a cheaper monthly price and then canceling early.

chrisandchris

My last interaction with Adobe is a few years back, what I recall is:

I got tricked into the "pay monthly for annual subscription" (it was probably written there, just hidden very good). I then cancelled my subscription and instead of telling me "it runs anyway another 10 months", they let me cancel early, charging me a cancellation fee (which I only realized after it was too late) which was _higher_ than the remaining months.

Now I will never ever buy something from Adobe again.

beowulfey

It is a misunderstanding because Adobe deliberately obfuscates that fact when you purchase such a plan

j45

There's seem to be a lot of reports for Adobe continuing to charge a credit card 12-18 months after confirmed cancellation and no recourse or anyone to access for help because the account is closed.

Sucks to say because I do like their software.

elorm

Footnote: "Unlimited fonts, no extra charges, already licensed."

Aurornis

> These fonts — along with more than 30,000 others — are already included in your Adobe Creative Cloud membership.

For those wondering about pricing.

rudedogg

I always wonder how the licensing works with stuff like this.

Say I create a logo with one of these fonts, and immediately cancel afterword. Do I get to continue using the logo? Or is my license to the font technically revoked?

Also, font licensing elsewhere sucks for making native applications. They have this bizarre price structure where for web it's cheap, but if you want to embed it in an App it's 10x the price. It bums me out because occasionally I'd like to use/buy fonts for projects but they're out of reach. I took the first google result to test this real quick, "Web" or "Desktop" usage is $78, but "App" is $1,326 (https://www.myfonts.com/products/astros-package-83387/licens...).

And I guess they've moved to doing subscriptions for all licenses there too.. so I guess I'll never be buying a font again. Maybe that was the answer all along https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J06tluN7rtE

JusticeJuice

The key thing to understand about typeface copyright is you can copyright the font file, but not the actual shape of the font (as that video you linked covers).

So say as you said, you had access to a font, you used it in a logo. Then you lost access. It's fine to keep using the logo, any assets you've created while you had access you can keep using. What you can't do is keep using that font file on your machine to start making making new assets. This is why for graphic design fonts are often licensed based on the number of machines they're installed on.

For web, it's often a subscription for a certain number of page views. If you no longer pay the subscription, then you're no longer allowed to serve the font file. Enforcing this however, is really tricky for foundries as you'd expect.

For app use, the license don't account for 'page views' as they figure it's impossible to track (and for the foundry to check). That's often why the figure is more for native apps. They're also kinda taking a guess that companies making apps pay more.

This is why a lot of big businesses will just outright 'buy' a font, so they have access forever with no limitations. If you're committing to a particular font for your brand, it often makes sense to just drop the cash and get it. It's also why so many really big companies just make or commission their own typefaces - it can be cheaper than trying to find some deal with a foundry. A good typeface will take one person about 2-3 years to make, but if you have 1k employees.... no biggie.

It's worth noting most serious foundries don't focus on 'small' customers - they're targeting very large businesses. The pricing doesn't scale down to most normal people, unfortunately - however if they did they'd be dramatically reducing income from the 'whales'. There's also undeniably a bit of price-value bias.

This all varies a bit foundry to foundry, but that's the most common setups and why.

duskwuff

> Say I create a logo with one of these fonts, and immediately cancel afterword. Do I get to continue using the logo? Or is my license to the font technically revoked?

From the perspective of US copyright law, a font file is an odd sort of computer program that generates shapes. The program is copyrighted, but the shapes it outputs are not.

Indeed, US copyright law explicitly states that typefaces - i.e. the shapes printed on paper, not the font program which produces them - are ineligible for copyright. This applies even to fantasy scripts; e.g. the script used in the video game Riven was refused registration on these grounds.

mediumsmart

You have to turn it into a path anyways or the program can't show the logo when the subscription is cancelled and the font is no longer available.

dyauspitr

Yeah but it’s a huge pain. You can only use them within the creative cloud ecosystem- so just on Adobe products.

mechanicum

At least on Mac, when you install them locally, Creative Cloud makes them available to every app like any other font.

They’re just regular OpenType files, albeit with “beware of the leopard” levels of filesystem obfuscation, so it’s fairly trivial to divorce them from Creative Cloud’s control if you want/need to.

And on the web, Typekit is just CSS and woff(2), so again, no (technical) impediment to doing whatever you want with them.

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ashton314

To use Arial when Proxima Nova or Helvetica are available is a deeply hideous act. Why on earth does Adobe sound proud to announce that Arial is finally in their lineup?!

tsp

I don’t know a single designer or developer that likes Adobe. There have been so many hostile decisions, so many dark UX patterns. I am happy to live an Adobe-free life!

dmix

I tried to buy Lighthouse and it was a headspinning experience, took me a while to figure out it was a very overpriced subscription version with a confusing sign up experience I didn't trust. I felt like I was going to be scammed if I clicked the wrong button. So I ended up using Luminar Neo, even though I don't like it.

Reminds me of using one of those awful Microsoft maze websites like Azure.

mistrial9

lots of complaints here (for good reason) but really I have to applaud any try at staying in business with high quality fonts -- Adobe and others, too. The economics don't make sense for what is being handled. Keep trying new approaches..

JKCalhoun

Or, like BBS's as a dumb example, time to move on.

mistrial9

that's a fine example - of what I am not thinking of.. BBS are online, low-res, signal not content.. whereas print fonts are high-resolution, content in themselves, and not replaced by smart phone users in 7pt squint sessions.. lacking delivery context in the discussion invites easy dismissal.. btw- support cash, coins and stamps.. you will miss them when they are gone, and the replacement can get very toxic, very quickly.

JKCalhoun

You're right — a font is as still useful today as it was 30 years ago. But there is no longer a market for them. They were commoditized a long time ago. My memory of the 90's is rusty but I feel like it was a company like Bitstream that came around and so undercut the font market in a race to the bottom that, even then, it was clear that selling fonts was a dying business.

drivingmenuts

Thank you, Adobe. Go to hell.

chihuahua

As far as I'm concerned, there are only 3 fonts: serif, sans serif, and wacky. All serif fonts look the same to me, and all sans serif fonts look the same to me. The wacky fonts - no one would use them for anything except for a birthday party flyer.

I am greatly amused whenever someone rants about how Helvetica is beautiful and Arial is terrible. They're the same thing.

kstrauser

I don't know that I’d brag about it. “I can't tell the difference between C major and F minor” doesn't mean everyone else can't.

fooker

I wish hn had a font setting just so I could reply to you in comic sans.