I'm Peter Roberts, immigration attorney who does work for YC and startups. AMA
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·March 14, 2025proberts
This has been a very active and interesting AMA so thank you everyone. I will be stopping now and returning tomorrow morning to respond to all the unanswered questions and comments.
jjmarr
Can a TN classification denial result in immigration detention? If so, how can I mitigate that risk?
For context, a Canadian woman recently tried to enter into the USA from Mexico and get TN-1 status. Instead of refusing her entry, officials detained her and she's been stuck for 10 days waiting for deportation.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-canadian-woma...
It's unclear to me how big of a risk this actually is for the average "Canadian goes to the USA" story because of her specific factual scenario. Presumably I don't want to enter from Mexico, but is it advisable to take flights from a TSA preclearance airport in Canada so I'm not actually in the USA if the classification is denied?
proberts
That's extraordinarily unusual and in my experience has only happened when CBP believes that the applicant was lying or has a criminal record so I wouldn't base the decision on where/how to apply on this very low risk. Depending on the TN application, there are better and worse ways to apply for a TN and from an outcome standpoint, sometimes it's better to apply with CBP at the border or with CBP at a U.S. airport by flying directly to the U.S.
wahnfrieden
You don't think border processes are becoming uncertain now and relying less on precedence?
dmix
A land-border crossing in Mexico? 100%, yes.
radicalbyte
With all respect, everything happening in the US at the moment is "extraordinarily unusual" today.
Tomorrow it will be the "new normal".
leereeves
According to other sources, this was an unusual case. She was a Canadian trying to enter from Mexico, who had been told back in November that her visa was no longer valid.
RobertRoberts
According to this article, Canada rejected her entry as well. Maybe it's not just the US, but this person actually had a real issue with her visa and her travel plans were not prepared well.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c80y3yx1jdyo
"...when she reached the border [Canada], Mr Burke said the Canadian authorities denied her entry as they were concerned she may try to work illegally."
canucktrash669
She crossed overland. Imagine you do pre-clearance out of a Canadian airport. Can they kidnap you out of country and ship you to a US detention center?
walrus01
Canadians may be often unprepared and shocked how aggressive and militarized the southern border is, compared to crossing at northern border land entry points.
cmrdporcupine
I rarely find the pre-clearance process to be all that nice when compared to internal clearance. When I traveled a lot to NYC I far preferred to fly out of Toronto island and do immigration at Newark vs flying out of Pearson. The tone was entirely different.
I personally am not sure that pre-clearance should even continue given current diplomatic tensions. Having an armed foreign police force from a country whose official head of state says it wants to occupy you... doesn't seem wise.
jml78
It is as bad as it has ever been………
But border patrol has always been a bunch of small dick assholes, all the way back to Obama.
My wife and I adopted a child from another country. He was 18 months of age at the time.
We flew into LAX. We were exhausted from a long flight. We got to customs. Agents approached us and said that they had a few questions and said that I (the father) needed to collect our bags and they would escort my wife(us citizen), my oldest son (us citizen), and my youngest son(adopted foreign national) to the waiting area.
I got our bags and tried to rejoin my family. They denied me entry. Said they had questions for “them”. After an hour I started to have to raise hell because I had all the supplies for my family. Diapers. Food, etc. I was told it obviously took us a while to adopt this kid so we can wait longer.
I eventually stated that they were illegally holding two us citizens and I was going to call 911 for them to take me serious.
They acted like they didn’t know my wife and oldest wee US citizens. Bunch of bullshit. Fuck those assholes and every one of them that continues to violate our constitutional rights.
Signed
12 year US Navy Civilian.
lizknope
I'm an American and I was annoyed at how aggressive and militarized the southern border is.
I was on a big road trip across the country visiting national parks. I went to Organ Pipe Nat. Monument in Arizona which literally touches the Mexican border.
On my way there I drove through a border patrol checkpoint 10 miles north of the border inside the US. They don't check southbound traffic, only northbound. I never entered Mexico. On the way back I had to stop at that border patrol checkpoint. The border patrol agent was basically yelling at me for my passport. I told him I didn't have it with me. He yelled to see my driver's license. I gave it to him and he yelled at me "Why do you have a North Carolina driver's license?" I replied that is where I live and that is my home address on the license. He then screamed at me "Don't you know this is a prime drug running area?!" I told him "I have no idea and I'm not interested in drugs. There is a national park area 5 miles away, don't you get a lot of tourists here going to see that?"
I then noticed in my rear view and side mirrors that another agent was going around my car with a dog sniffing around. After about 2 minutes I saw the dog agent give a thumbs up and the rude agent said "Okay, you can go but you should carry your passport"
I had less rude experiences in Texas and California but still overly suspicious border patrol agents. One guy asked me what all the stuff was in my car. I actually offered him granola bars and soda cans and then showed him landscape pictures on my cameras. He realized that I was really a tourist and not into drugs or helping immigrants cross.
blast
It cuts both ways. Many American friends have told me that they were treated aggressively at the Canadian border as well.
soupbowl
I am Canadian and I have always had an easier time crossing Into the US. I have been detained multiple times from the Canadian side.
I took an espresso repair course just across the boarder in Washington and on my way back I was detained for hours and questioned very aggressively because "there is no such thing as an espresso machine repair course".
That being said, I don't doubt the American side can be tough too, though I have never experienced it.
leereeves
She crossed overland from Mexico for some reason, not from Canada. The linked article says: "Then they came back and told her that, because they were denying her, that they have to send her back to Canada."
Is there a policy that requires that people denied entry be returned to the country they are citizens of?
lazyasciiart
Mexico would have to officially accept her as a deportee. I’m sure it’s possible, but they “can’t” just let her walk back across the border.
cmrdporcupine
From what I read, the Canadian consulate can't do anything for her.
They have her in their system, and she has no rights.
abaymado
If my asylum application gets denied, what options do I have? I came to the U.S. as a minor and have little to no memory of my original country. I applied for asylum in 2016 and have been waiting for an interview ever since. Given my pending status, are there any other pathways to obtaining a Green Card or legal residency that would allow me to travel?
Edit Additional Question - Some of us like myself, came to the U.S. as children, following our parents after being forcibly removed from our home countries by authoritarian leaders who targeted us because of our "tribe". Despite this, the current climate often unfairly associates undocumented immigrants with criminal activity. How can someone in this situation avoid being wrongfully labeled as a “criminal immigrant,” especially in the event of an ICE raid?
darksaints
I am neither OP nor a lawyer at all, but I do have experience watching authoritarian regimes destroy a country in real-time. One of the most terrifying things to me is the breakdown in the rule of law, because you no longer have any expectations to plan against, and anything can happen.
I would never counsel against getting legal advice, because competent legal advice is going to be one of your best assets for planning every possible future outcome. But I would caution you that in this environment, you also need to plan for what to do when the legal advice can no longer predict or inform outcomes.
proberts
Sometimes there are employment-based green card paths that can help for those seeking asylum but whether going down this path would allow you to travel would depend in part on your immigration history - what your status was when you came to the U.S., when you/your parents applied for asylum, etc. If you haven't already, you should speak with an immigration attorney to look at all options, including those based on employment.
nartho
That would be an employment visa, not green card. It can lead to a green card in some cases but it's complicated (depending on the country of origin it can take an extremely long time)
attentive
Historically, bona fide marriage with US citizen allowed the best way to legalize. I don't know if that changed recently.
lazyasciiart
It’s unreliable and recently ICE has deported people who are attempting to legalize their status. https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/free-books/fiance-ma...
https://www.cbsnews.com/miami/news/south-florida-ice-hsi-mig...
rburhum
were you a son of an asylee that then aged out? If so, you may want to look at the asylum “nunc pro tunc” process
gunian
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rectangleguru
Hi Peter, thanks for doing this over the years, when going through my own immigration journey reading through your past AMAs was a huge help.
For reference, I'm a Canadian who just moved to the US on a TN Visa and I've got a few questions:
- What would you say the percentage likelihood range is that the TN Visa is no longer an option for Software Engineers in 3 years time.
- With the news of USMCA talks reopening, is it advisable to switch to an H-1B visa?
- How long would it take for the government to eliminate the TN Visa, considering the complexity of the process?
- If the TN Visa is discontinued, is it safe to assume those already on it will be allowed to work in the US until their Visa expires?
proberts
I would never have thought that the TN would be at risk but if relations between the U.S. and Canada continue down the path that we're on, then I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility. I'm not sure how long it would take for the U.S. to get out of the free trade agreement but if the U.S. were so motivated, it effectively could kill the TN very quickly, even if just by policy and practice. So yes, if you can, it probably makes sense to start looking at options to get off the TN, such as the H-1B (but subject to the annual lottery), the O-1, and the E-2.
roncesvalles
In my experience, big tech companies ask their TNs to start participating in every H1B lottery as soon as they join, and switch them over as soon as they bag a spot.
TN renewals are risky because you can be arbitrarily judged as having immigrant intent and get rejected, especially the more times you keep renewing them. H1B in contrast is dual-intent so this risk isn't there. Just my IANAL understanding of things.
alwaysanoob
Hi Peter, Thanks for doing this. I am a Canadian citizen born in India and ~ 6 months ago moved to work for a FAANG company on a TN visa from Canada.
The company applied for H1B visa lottery this year and awaiting the results for that.
My question is if I get through the H1B lottery
- How does it impact my options to switch employers in the future? Would I be able to work on H1B for future employers?
- My partner (Canadian citizen) is currently on a TD visa (which does not allow work) but actively searching for positions eligible under the TN categories. If my status changes to H1B, would she be ineligible for a TN visa?
Are there any obvious advantages of H1B other than eligibility for applying for a green card (which is a loooooong wait for people of Indian origin)
proberts
In order of your questions:
1. The H-1B is easily transferrable to another company (as long as the position meets the H-1B requirements). 2. Yes, she still would eligible for the TN if you changed to H-1B. 3. That's the main reason; it's really impossible for Canadian citizens born in India (or China) to pursue a green card while in TN status (without jeopardizing that status). Also, under the current law, an H-4 spouse can apply for a work card if his or her spouse is in the green card process (specifically, has an approved I-140) and is from a backlogged category or country like India.
returningfory2
> Are there any obvious advantages of H1B other than eligibility for applying for a green card (which is a loooooong wait for people of Indian origin)
Was your partner also born in India? If not and you get married you can use their country of birth for the green card, even if the green card is being sponsored by your employer. Maybe you're aware of this but just to say if you're not.
1oooqooq
ask company to bring you on a L visa. H visas are not a good option for transfers, only new hires.
robofanatic
You’ve got it reverse. You can transfer H1b to another company (without going through lottery again) but you cant transfer L1 visa to another company. L1 visa is used to transfer an employee from a foreign branch to the US branch of the same company, once in US if they want to change the company the new company has to sponsor their H1
1oooqooq
i got his comment wrong then. looked like he just going to the USA office of a place he's already working at overseas
Detrytus
Depends on how you look at this. L visas are not subject to lottery, but then that brings much more scrutiny from USCIS. Also, you are tied to your employer, you cannot change jobs easily. H visa, once you get it by lucky draw, gives you much more flexibility. And it's perfectly fine to use H-1B for intra-company transfer.
radicalbyte
How do you protect people visiting or participating in YC from ICE? There have been two dozen stories of random tourists being disappeared for no good reason from all over the US.
Given that the policy is in the very early stages of implementation we can expect those numbers to reach the hundreds, thousands and tens of thousands in the next few months.
worik
> There have been two dozen stories of random tourists being disappeared for no good reason from all over the US.
Really?
That is frightening. I plan to be a tourist in the USA within a decade.
Can you expand on that?
Alupis
It's BS. Random tourists aren't being "disappeared for no good reason". A "tourist" that overstayed by 2 years without applying for a Visa and/or started working here are being deported back to their home nation - in accordance with the law.
There's a tremendous amount of scaremongering, fearmongering, and misinformation being thrown about currently. Majority of it is very much over stated hyperbole.
gm678
> Canadian woman put in chains, detained by ICE after entering San Diego border
> She said the officer refused to allow her to go back to Mexico and ordered her to be detained. She was kept in a cold room at the border by CBP before being arrested by ICE, who placed her at the Otay Mesa Detention Center. Mooney claimed in the middle of the night she, along with a group of 30 other women, was rounded up to get transferred to a facility in Arizona. CBP wouldn’t tell Team 10 the reason for Mooney’s detention, citing privacy restrictions.
https://www.10news.com/news/local-news/never-seen-anything-s...
> A German tourist detained by US immigration authorities is due to be deported back to Germany on Tuesday after spending more than six weeks in detention, including eight days in solitary confinement. Both Germans were held at the Otay Mesa Detention Center, a prison in San Diego, California. Brösche and Lofving had attempted to enter the US from Tijuana in Mexico on 25 January.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/11/german-tourist...
lazyasciiart
A British tourist has been in immigration detention for weeks after she was accused of “working for room and board” by doing some household chores while staying with a family in Portland.
https://www.thenewstribune.com/news/local/article301877574.h...
atoav
Sources say otherwise: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/11/german-tourist...
pacomerh
I wish it was just deporting back, putting in them in inhumane conditions is whats happening now. This admin is fcked up. No misinformation its happening
march14user1
Hello Peter, I have a situation. I am on H1B and I am being forced out of my job. My wife is also on H1B. After consulting some attorneys, I have decided that I will move to H4 status under my wife, while I search for the new job. Will this protect me until I get a new H1B with new employer soon? What should I be cautious about? For what it is worth, I also have EAD through I-140 pending, but I am deciding not to use the EAD and move to H4 dependent as soon as my H1B expires when I terminate my job. Let me know if I have to be cautious or aware of any circumstances that can put me or my family situation in jeopardy.
proberts
That's probably the right advice, you don't have to be cautious, you can look for work while in H-4 status (or while an applicant for H-4 status). The issue is this: if you find a new H-1B employer before your H-4 change of status application has been approved, while the new H-1B employer can file an H-1B petition for you, upon approval you likely will have to depart the U.S. and reenter with a new visa (if your previous H-1B visa has expired) or reenter with your previous still-valid visa and new H-1B approval notice. The point is this: USCIS likely will consider you ineligible for a change of status to H-1B when your underlying status is not H-4 but an applicant for H-4 status.
dangrape123
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square_usual
Hey Peter! In the current climate, what steps would you suggest for foreign-origin workers to stay safe from being detained? I know some of my foreign-born friends are carrying their EADs with them in case they are stopped by ICE, but in some statuses (e.g. H1B) that is harder to do, as you'd have to carry around your passport.
proberts
Strictly speaking, the law requires a foreign national to carry proof of status. It's not something that ever has been enforced but it might be now. Such proof would be a valid passport and the most recent I-94 admission record. If applicable, such proof also would include an I-797 approval notice and/or EAD.
darth_avocado
Hi Peter, given that companies are constantly laying off employees, what options do people on H1B have in an event they are out of a job? One can find a job but a 60 day time restriction can be very challenging. It’s almost impossible to apply, schedule multiple rounds of interviews, get an offer AND file the immigration paperwork in that time. A lot of people have established lives and have been here for decades because of the green card backlog. How would one maintain presence legally in the US in such a case?
proberts
A few years ago when there were a lot of layoffs at big tech, USCIS published guidance on the options for those who lost their jobs. This guidance just validated what attorneys were advising anyway but it was reassuring. Whether USCIS will stick with this guidance is another question. But the main advice was to file an application to change status to B-2 or B-1 (if the terminated worker couldn't join his or her spouse's visa as a dependent). If the terminated worker was in H-1B status and filed such an application, then he or she would not have to go back into the lottery after finding a new employer. Because of the backlogs in most green card categories, a green card filing as a solution isn't a solution anymore.
Detrytus
@proberts - not sure how that works, can you clarify? I know that normal B1/B2 visa in theory allows 6 months stay in the US, so is that what you are suggesting? If you are fired from your job then just pretend to be a tourist for the next 6 months? Isn't that obviously violating the stated purpose of B1/B2 visa, and asking for a ban to enter the US in future?
1oooqooq
before the pandemic there were vans interviewing and hiring people from big layoffs. this last one was the only to ever do real damage to the employees.
galaxyLogic
Do Greencard holders have right to Social Security? What can you do if you are denied it?
Background: I was a GC holder and the expiration date on the GC was past due by the time they processed my application for social security. BUT I had also already applied for citizenship, and when doing that online the website informed me that my CG status was automatically extended a year or so because I had applied for citizenship.
I showed the Social Security Administration the printout of the document that showed my GC status had been automatically extended. But they denied my social security application with the reason "We have not been able to determine your age is > 64".
I had been to the SS offices several times showing them my actual greencard and my valid passport from my country of origin. The government issued GC showed my birthdate. Also I showed them the printed social security statement they used to mail me every year or so, showing my age.
So it seems to me I was denied social security on totally false premises. They surely were able to easily and reliably determine my age.
How can this happen in USA? Why would they do this? Do they have a standing order saying "Deny every application you can if it is an immigrant?"
What should I do? Sue the government? (I understand you cannot give an exact recommendation what to do in this case, but would that be a viable practical option?)
Thanks
galaxyLogic
To follow up a bit: I got my citizenship. Then I was approved for Medicare. Then I applied for Medicate part C and D with the healthcare provider Humana. Humana initially approved my application but then sent me a letter saying my part C and D was DENIED the reason being: "Illegally present in US".
I have never been in the USA illegally but always had a valid visa until I got my citizenship. So where did Humana come up with the claim I was illegal? I can only assume that Social Security Administration told them so, perhaps to cover up their mistake that they had wrongly denied me social security.
Should I sue Humana or Social Security Administration?
proberts
This isn't really an immigration question so I would recommend that you speak with a benefits lawyer but it's always a good practice when something like this happens to submit FOIA requests with the appropriate agencies to try to find out what's going on.
galaxyLogic
Thank's for the tip. I've known about FOIA requests but never fancied I could create one myself.
It's more an issue with benefits than immigration like you say, but I just assumed I was treated badly because I was an immigrant, so immigrants beware.
Also I wanted to play nice I thought if I caused some trouble for them they would definitely treat me even worse. Immigrants don't have a similar feeling about their "rights", and what they can do, as perhaps native-born Americans have.
brutus1213
Hi .. wondering what the situation is for a senior Canadian scientist wanting to raise funds/do a start up in the US? Had H1B many years ago (and possibly have a year of time left on it .. not sure that matters). Lots of papers so can go the EB1 route if needed. Want something simple and straightforward. Is transferring via existing employer beneficial (with delaying future plans)?
proberts
Given your qualifications, either an O-1 or E-2 (requiring an investment of Canadian money) through your own company is probably the best option.
abrichr
Hi Peter, I have a few questions:
1. I currently do consulting for US clients through a Canadian corporation. If I accept a full-time job in the U.S. (e.g., on a TN or H-1B visa), can I continue consulting for other clients?
- Does the answer depend on the visa type?
- Are there any restrictions on self-employment or side income?
2. Can I set up a corporation (LLC, S-Corp, or C-Corp) in the U.S. while on a work visa? - Can I be a shareholder?
- Can I take dividends?
- Can I actively work in the business?
3. What legal structures allow me to maximize flexibility while working in the U.S.? - Would an O-1 visa allow for more flexibility?
- If I move under a TN visa, can I later transition to an E-2 investor visa to run my own business?
4. What are the best options if I want to move to the U.S. while keeping the ability to do high-paid consulting? - Should I aim for a Green Card as soon as possible?
- Is there a specific visa category that would allow this?
Thank you for your help!hervature
I'm not Peter. IANAL so do your own homework. However, I have been on TN visas for almost a decade.
1. Once you enter the US on a work visa, you are only authorized to work under the restrictions of that visa which are normally tied to a single employer. The "I was working remotely for a Canadian corp" does not fly legally speaking. Wherever your feet are are "where" you are working. That being said, one little known thing about the TN visa is that you are allowed to have multiple of them issued for multiple employers. If you get one from all of your clients, you can continue working for those clients while you are in the US. Practically speaking, they cannot tell you are working remotely and your clients are sending payment to the Canadian corp. However, if audited, do not expect to ever be allowed back into the US.
2. Anyone can start an LLC. You do not need a work visa. However, if you do not have work authorization to work for that company, then you cannot legally work on that business.
3. This is going to be a matter of preference and what you classify as flexible. TN visas are very convenient and issued at the port-of-entry which makes them quick to process. They are also indefinitely renewable and multiple can be issued for multiple employers. The other visas you mention will take months to process. The rules to transition to E-2 are clear "If the treaty investor is currently in the United States in a lawful nonimmigrant status, they may file Form I-129 to request a change of status to E-2 classification."
4. Consulting is one of the most scrutinized jobs under the TN classification. I do not like being the bearer of bad news but obtaining a Green Card is now a 5+ year process unless you qualify for EB-1 or marry a US citizen which you can get right away. However, you probably do not qualify based on the fact you are focused on consulting. I am not an expert on E-2 visas so I don't know how consulting is treated under that visa but it may very well be your best bet.
proberts
Excellent responses. Thank you. I would add that the O-1 and the E-2 are probably the best fits to do consulting work for multiple companies in the U.S. but the O-1 requires a relatively high level of achievement and the E-2 requires a "substantial" investment by (in this case) Canadian citizens (which can include investments by you) or Canadian-owned companies and a business plan that shows the hiring of U.S. workers (citizens and permanent residents) over time.
abrichr
Thank you both!
Follow-up question: do US employers ever provide assistance with O-1 or E-2? What is considered "a relatively high level of achievement"?
I'll be here for the next 6 hours. As usual, there are countless possible topics and I'll be guided by whatever you're concerned with but as much as possible I'd like to focus on the recent changes and potential changes in U.S. immigration law, policy, and practice. Please remember that I am limited in providing legal advice on specific cases for obvious liability reasons because I won't have access to all the facts. Please stick to a factual discussion in your questions and comments and I'll try to do the same in my responses. Thank you!