Skip to content(if available)orjump to list(if available)

Phyllis Fong, who was investigating Neuralink, "forcefully removed "

r0ckarong

Nothing to see here. Just a massive conflict of interest from an unelected foreigner exacting power over your government.

bmitc

An illegal immigrant at that.

DonHopkins

[flagged]

MarkLowenstein

Does it not equally appear that the government was exacting power over an individual based on their own conflict of interest regarding Musk's political advocacy?

mattnewton

Her role was to enforce animal welfare laws. Simply investigating if those were upheld in extremely public examples of cutting chimps heads open who later died, doesn’t appear political to me.

MarkLowenstein

This is a possibility. But if one had to bet whether other similar companies are being investigated to the same extent that our headline implies, I know what I'd bet on.

thelock85

No, not equally.

Let’s assume the decision to investigate an inappropriate number of test animals dying (per internal complaints) is completely political. That investigation is just one of many by the inspector… perhaps the others are in most Americans’ interests. And still Musk and government have millions of dollars of contracts in shares interest.

Now let’s assume the inspector’s firing was a political move by Musk. All of the other non-connected investigations which may have positive impact are without a lead. And Musk’s other interests in the government are still very much intact.

And finally where are the checks and balances when there is no threat of losing re-election.

DonHopkins

Says the guy boo-hooing about the richest man in the world being "persecuted".

darkwater

The US is starting to look like Berlusconi's Italy 30 years ago in this regard... The only difference is that Berlusconi was Italian and could be elected, when politicians were not obeying as he expected.

JumpCrisscross

> US is starting to look like Berlusconi's Italy 30 years ago

Call a spade a spade. It’s looking like South Africa. Our government has been coöpted by South African patronage politics.

Terr_

> The US is starting to look like Berlusconi's Italy 30 years ago in this regard...

Ever since 2016, I've been offering these small apologies to the people of Italy when the subject comes up online.

Before, I wondered what was wrong with them for such a blatant crook stay in power, confident that It Couldn't Happen Here.

callamdelaney

Uh what? If I got fired from a private company security would also remove me

llamaimperative

I guess one minor distinction is the piece of legislation Congress passed that outlines the specific process for firing Fong, which was not followed, whereas I assume you have no such protection on your job?

Just a minor distinction though!

JumpCrisscross

> If I got fired from a private company security would also remove me

This is closer to the head of security at your company’s girlfriend not liking you and having him remove you from the premises. Trump may not have the legal power to fire her. So she isn’t fired, she’s just being removed because she investigated the ersatz VP.

mindslight

This mistaken belief that government works like a corporation is the essence of fascism. Corporations are inherently authoritarian, government should not be. The entire point of bureaucracy is that supreme power should not vest into one person, but rather be divided amongst many people and mediated by a system of rules.

fuzztester

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/technology/tech-news/phy...

hmmm. let's see ...

$ echo "Phyllis Fong, who was investigating Elon Musk's brain implant startup Neuralink, "forcefully removed from office" after refusing termination order" | ...

oh, never mind.

I'm too lazy to write the regex for getting this output from the above input:

Elon Musk's brain implant forcefully removed after termination order

shitter

  echo "Phyllis Fong, who was investigating Elon Musk's brain implant startup Neuralink, "forcefully removed from office" after refusing termination order" | sed -E "s/.*(Elon Musk's brain implant).*( forcefully removed).*( after).*( termination)/\\1\\2\\3\\4/"

bmitc

Our government is literally falling in a matter of weeks. It's being assaulted, and we're all just standing by.

khazhoux

The people spoke very clearly in November: they wanted this.

kevstev

This is my big struggle with all of this. His first term I felt America was duped by a con man so protested and made a fuss on social media. Americans saw the first four years and astonishingly decided they wanted more of it, by a decent margin.

So while I absolutely hate what is going on right now this seems to be what the people wanted. I question each day whether that needs to be respected or we should resist.

I also wonder if his supporters have any idea of what is going on. I am sure fox news isn't covering any of this and if they are it's probably being spun in some horrific way.

bmitc

> I also wonder if his supporters have any idea of what is going on.

They do not. Most of his supporters are either rich or uneducated normal people who lack the mental capacity to realize what's going on. They just repeat the talking points. Respond to anyone of them with a non-talking point, compassion, and honesty and they just shut down. They haven't a clue about what's really going on. I bet none of his supporters even know who Robert Mercer is, the person that got him elected in the first place.

Red_Comet_88

Americans are desperate. May not be felt among the HN crowd, but standards of living in the US have been declining consistently for a long time [1]. Remember that Trump was not re-elected to a second term initially specifically because he failed to deliver on his promise of "MAGA". He instead did a Jeb Bush presidency, complete with Wall Street (Mnuchin) and the CIA (Pompeo) running the country exactly as would have occurred had Bush won. So Americans tried Biden, in the hopes of a return to Obama era America. This obviously didn't happen, as standard of living continued to decline. So they tried Trump again, in sheer desperation.

I don't see a positive future for the US, as it is so clearly a declining empire, exhibiting every textbook symptom. The startup/tech crowd loves talking about cheap phones and "services", but the reality is bleak outside of this narrow tech bubble.

1. https://www.oftwominds.com/blogjun24/negativity6-24.html

Loudergood

Thanks to California's incredibly slow counting system it was a lot closer in popular vote than it initially appeared.

2OEH8eoCRo0

I also spoke when I voted for my Senators and Congressmen/women. I voted for Congress to do their jobs.

Terr_

A minority spoke clearly. Many of "the people" didn't vote, and Trump got less than 50% of those that did.

akmarinov

The ones that didn’t vote are ok with what the voters choose, otherwise they would’ve voted

watwut

Can we then openly call republican voters guilty then? Instead of pretending that people voting for that party are good people? I do agree that many wanted the harm and that is why they voted for Trump.

zfg

Hitler got rid of Germany's democracy in 53 days:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/01/hitler-ger...

Maybe Musk and Trump can beat his record.

callamdelaney

Uh it’s definitely going to be fine in 6 months - you’re being dramatic.

foobarchu

Trump has decided he controls the purse (a privilege of the legislative branch that he legally DOES NOT HAVE), has begun to fire people illegally and ignoring the legal methods (such as Fong), is doing so through someone who is not part of the federal government and has active conflicts of interest (Musk), and is actively working to remove the 22nd amendment that prevents him from becoming a dictator for life. Most of congress has just bent over and let him, seemingly.

What exactly do you think is "gonna be just fine" about the most intense set of attacks of democracy this country has ever seen?

fuzztester

>Most of congress has just bent over and let him, seemingly.

bent over is right. that is the height of their calibre.

NicoJuicy

US is becoming a banana republic

drowsspa

Brazilians were joking "welcome to CONMEBOL, South Korea" when their president tried that coup. I guess the US wants to join in as well

(CONMEBOL being South America's soccer/football association)

apples_oranges

I thought this was to be the American century, now I'm just fascinated and wonder what it will be instead.

projektfu

The Chinese century, if I had to bet.

fuzztester

becoming? past tense is more like it. also Google your own term in Wikipedia to see the history of it.

2OEH8eoCRo0

This extreme cynicism is part of what got us here. People have made this cynicism manifest. They're making the government of their imaginations real.

null

[deleted]

llamaimperative

The specific law that Trump is very obviously breaking is the Securing Inspector General Independence Act of 2022, which says Congress must be notified 30 days in advance and given "substantive" rationale for dismissing inspectors general.

This law was passed specifically in response to Trump breaking the antecedent law, Inspector General Reform Act of 2008, during his first term.

Will the "party of law and order" do anything? Nope.

https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF11546

Good on Ms Fong for refusing to leave.

Terr_

I'm tired of congressional Republicans being treated as unmentioned bystanders in this.

Reporters should be pushing microphones in their faces asking why they approve of the latest thing Trump did, or at least what they think of him breaking laws they passed.

rqtwteye

The Trump people went extremely well prepared into this. They are spamming with a ton of things, often legally questionable. They know that Congress doesn't have a backbone and lawsuits will take a very long time. It's a brilliant strategy.

madhadron

Lawsuits take a very long time, but a court injunction can control which way that time is spent.

nickff

A number of (especially recent) administrations have performed a large number of legally questionable acts which were often structured in such a way as to be difficult to challenge (the CFPB comes to mind). Trump’s innovation seems to be taking this tactic to an extreme, remarkably early in this administration.

llamaimperative

Say more about how the CFPB was illegal? It was created by an act of Congress.

rokkamokka

Ah yes, the little known legal loophole of "nobody is going to stop me".

In all seriousness, the situation is very dire. The future does not, currently, bode well for the common man.

smitty1e

I gather that I'm further right than much of the HN crowd, having been on the edge of the Tea Party movement &c.

The presence of the Citrus Caesar and the billionaire boys is due to substantial, ongoing problems. The U.S. Government, like any code base, has accrued much cruft over the last century. Whether or not DJT has any lasting positive effect isn't knowable yet.

The risk of this current course being a cure worse than the disease is substantial. The two things to keep in mind in any case are:

- trust, but verify

- look for the substantive reform, not lipstick on the pig

malfist

What part of the cure is illegally firing someone who was investigating you for a valid, non political reason?

There's no cure in that, just corruption.

arctek

Except that nothing is illegal now, Biden showed that with blanket pardons. So for all intents and purposes they will do what they like and Trump can just wipe it clean at the end.

projektfu

Sure, fine, whatever. However, when you fire all the inspectors general, without any evidence that they're being bribed, you're basically saying that you're planning corruption. The whole purpose of the position is to make sure the government is doing its job and firing them sends a signal that you are putting the watchdog role in a political light.

llamaimperative

A third thing to keep in mind: law is law and must be followed.

JumpCrisscross

> risk of this current course being a cure worse than the disease is substantial

It’s worse than the disease. The next Democrat President has a playbook to enact harsh leftist policies. The key seems to be to do things irreversibly, e.g. don’t block the pipeline, put something in its way; don’t say you’ll cancel student debt, destroy the records; don’t oppose the border wall, demolish it; et cetera.

watwut

They are looking to kill the pig, eat the meat, blame women, trans and minorities for no one else being able to benefit from the pig anymore. And then their supporters will consider themselves primary victims and blame everyone except themselves and people they voted for for harm caused to them too.

I_dream_of_Gen1

I have to laugh at the trump administration idiocy with saying they are removing "these rogue, partisan bureaucrats", when, clearly, she's been there through 6 administrations... SMH.

llamaimperative

Propaganda. Propaganda is the term you're looking for. Nothing idiotic about it, except the hordes of people willingly buying into it (including "smart" people on this very forum!)