Show HN: Gemini Pro 3 hallucinates the HN front page 10 years from now
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·December 9, 2025keepamovin
pseudosavant
This is one of the greatest LLM creations I've ever seen. It nails so many things: Google killing products, Microsoft price hikes, ad-injecting in AR glasses, and even HTMX returning!
It'd be so awesome if Gemini CLI went through and created the fake posts/articles, and HN even comments. Perhaps a bit much to ask of it?
thomasm6m6
Here it is: https://sw.vtom.net/hn35/news.html
I downloaded the original article page, had claude extract the submission info to json, then wrote a script (by hand ;) to run feed each submission title to gemini-3-pro and ask it for an article webpage and then for a random number of comments.
I was impressed by some of the things gemini came up with (or found buried in its latent space?). Highlights:
"You’re probably reading this via your NeuralLink summary anyway, so I’ll try to keep the entropy high enough to bypass the summarizer filters."
"This submission has been flagged by the Auto-Reviewer v7.0 due to high similarity with "Running DOOM on a Mitochondria" (2034)."
"Zig v1.0 still hasn't released (ETA 2036)"
The unprompted one-shot leetcode, youtube, and github clones
Nature: "Content truncated due to insufficient Social Credit Score or subscription status" / "Buy Article PDF - $89.00 USD" / "Log in with WorldCoin ID"
"Gemini Cloud Services (formerly Bard Enterprise, formerly Duet AI, formerly Google Brain Cloud, formerly Project Magfi)"
Github Copilot attempts social engineering to pwn the `sudo` repo
It made a Win10 "emulator" that goes only as far as displaying a "Windows Defender is out of date" alert message
"dang_autonomous_agent: We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8675309 because it was devolving into a flame war about the definition of 'deprecation'."
pseudosavant
SQLite 4.0 Release Notes: https://sw.vtom.net/hn35/pages/90098234.html
Another absolute gem:
Columns now support "Vibe" affinity. If the data feels like an integer, it is stored as an integer.
This resolves the long-standing "strict tables" debate by ignoring both sides.
Also: SQLite 4.0 is now the default bootloader for 60% of consumer electronics.
The build artifacts include sqlite3.wasm which can now run bare-metal without an operating system.
edit: added linkpseudosavant
Office 365 Price Hike Comment Gold: https://sw.vtom.net/hn35/item.html?id=90097777
The Conditional Formatting rules now include sponsored color scales.
If you want 'Good' to be green, you have to watch a 15-second spot.
Otherwise, 'Good' is 'Mountain Dew Neon Yellow'.avianlyric
Personal favourite is from the Gemini shutdown article which has a small quote from the fictional Google announcement:
> "We are incredibly proud of what Gemini achieved. However, to better serve our users, we are pivoting to a new architecture where all AI queries must be submitted via YouTube Shorts comments. Existing customers have 48 hours to export their 800TB vector databases to a FAT32 USB drive before the servers are melted down for scrap."
> — Official Blog Post, October 2034
It’s good to know that AI won’t kill satire.
benbreen
Love the faux Nature article: https://sw.vtom.net/hn35/pages/90098000.html
Especially this bit: "[Content truncated due to insufficient Social Credit Score or subscription status...]"
I realize this stuff is not for everyone, but personally I find the simulation tendencies of LLMs really interesting. It is just about the only truly novel thing about them. My mental model for LLMs is increasingly "improv comedy." They are good at riffing on things and making odd connections. Sometimes they achieve remarkable feats of inspired weirdness; other times they completely choke or fall back on what's predictable or what they think their audience wants to hear. And they are best if not taken entirely seriously.
LocalH
Favorite thing I've come across so far:
prompt_engineer_ret 10 hours ago
I miss the old days of Prompt Engineering. It felt like casting spells. Now you just think what you want via Neural-Lace and the machine does it. Where is the art?
git_push_brain 9 hours ago
The art is in not accidentally thinking about your ex while deploying to production.
nextaccountic
The comments look like some https://old.reddit.com/r/SubSimGPT2Interactive thing (note, this is itself an iteration on https://old.reddit.com/r/SubredditSimulator/)
I miss those times when AI was a silly thing
pseudosavant
That deserves to be posted and voted onto the homepage. The fake articles and the fake comments are all incredible. It really captures this community and the sites we love love/hate.
chirayuk
This got me a chuckle.
> Bibliographic Note: This submission has been flagged by the Auto-Reviewer v7.0 due to high similarity with "Running DOOM on a Mitochondria" (2034).
for the article on "Running LLaMA-12 7B on a contact lens with WASM"
benbreen
Was going to say - it would be fascinating to go a step further and have Gemini simulate the actual articles. That would elevate this to level of something like an art piece. Really enjoyed this, thank you for posting it.
I'm going to go ask Claude Code to create a functional HyperCard stack version of HN from 1994 now...
Edit: just got a working version of HyperCardHackerNews, will deploy to Vercel and post shortly...
benbreen
Here is the working version: https://hyper-card-hacker-news.vercel.app
Enjoy!
I also asked Opus 4.5 to make a "1994 style readme page" for the GitHub: https://github.com/benjaminbreen/HyperCardHackerNews
zem
I think it's perfect as it is, trying to expand the headlines into articles would belabour the joke too much.
ForOldHack
You are a sick, sick man, but you have taste.
BubbleRings
First let’s have it create maybe 100 more entries, then have people vote on which are the best 30, THEN put all the effort into creating all the fake articles and discussions. As good as the current 30 are, maybe the set could still be made twice as good. And have a set of short “explain xkcd”-style entries somewhere so people can read up on what the joke is, when they miss a specific one. Then send it to The Onion and let them make a whole business around it or something.
Definitely one of the best HN posts ever. I mean come on!:
FDA approves over-the-counter CRISPR for lactose intolerance (fda.gov)
saalweachter
I didn't even try to click through to the articles, so I was just disappointed I couldn't read the comments.
fsckboy
>It nails so many things
it lampoons so many things... except Rust. nobody dares joke about Rust, that wouldn't be safe. in fact, it's impossible to make a joke in the rust language.
JCharante
I think it's pretty mediocre because there are too many notable events in 1 day. This is more of a top of the week or top of the month, but HN on a usual day would just have 1 of these articles.
bigiain
Sure, but it's kinda like cartoon/comic art. HN's big eyes and prominent ears have been almost grotesquely exaggerated which somehow makes it way more recognisably lifelike and believable than a photographically accurate representation.
jacquesm
Accelerando...!
wwweston
Is the apparent lack of displayed anxiety on Gemini’s part a sign of good natured humor, blythe confidence in its own value regardless of cloud lineup, or proof of absence of self-awareness?
eru
Probably just a result of whatever personality they finetuned Gemini via re-inforcement learning for?
keeda
Heck, I bet it could even recreate future comments from actual accounts based on their past comments. After all, if an AI can roast your HN comments with such pinpoint accuracy, it can probably impersonate you pretty well too: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42857604
ewoodrich
At least in my case, the "pinpoint accuracy" of that roast made for a pretty uninspired result, it seemed to be based on like 4 or 5 specific comments seemingly chosen at random.
Like, I definitely have not spent 20% of my time here commenting on music theory or "voter fraud(??)" (that one seems to be based on a single thread I responsed to a decade ago)? ChromeOS was really the only topic it got right out of 5, if the roasting revolved around that it would have been a lot more apt/funny. Maybe it works better with an account that isn't as old as mine?
I find the front page parody much better done. Gemini 2.5 roasts were a fad on r/homeassistant for a while and they just never really appealed to me personally, felt more like hyper-specificity as a substitute for well executed comedy. Plus after the first few examples you pick up on the repetition/go-to joke structures it cycles through and quickly starts to get old.
apelapan
That Gemini-toaster hits way too close to home.
LanceH
I was really hoping the comments were filled out.
zozbot234
HN in 2035: Hot Takes from the Basement of the Internet (n-gate.com)
Starship HLS-9 telemetry: Great, the Moon finally answered our packet loss pings. Next up: who left a Docker container running on the Sea of Tranquility?
Linux 7.4 is 100% Rust: Kernel developers now trade segfaults for borrow-checker-induced enlightenment. The new panic message: "You violated ownership. Also please refill the coffee."
Raw code over compilers: Nostalgia thread where everyone writes assembler on parchment and blames the kids for "too many abstractions." OP posts a selfie with a punch card and a tear.
LLaMA-12 on a contact lens: Love the commitment to edge AI. Imagine blinking and getting a 200 OK for your mood. Privacy policy: we store your tears for calibration.
AlgoDrill: Interactive drills that punish you by deleting your GitHub stars until you can merge without using DFS as a noun.
ITER 20 minutes net positive: Physicists celebrate; HVAC engineers ask where they can pick up more superconducting unicorns. Comments: "Can it also power my rage against meetings?"
Restoring a 2024 Framework Laptop: A brave soul resurrected a relic. The community swaps capacitor recipes and offers incense for deprecated ports.
Google kills Gemini Cloud Services: Corporate reorgs reach sentience. The comments are eulogies and migration guides in equal measure.
Visualizing the 5th dimension with WebGPU 2.0: My GPU is sweating. The demo runs at 0.01 fps but it's a transcendent experience.
Nia (autonomous coding agents): Pitch: give context to agents. Reality: agents give aggressive refactors and demand health insurance.
Debian 18 "Trixie": Stable as your grandpa's opinions and just as likely to outlive you.
Rewrite sudo in Zig?: Peak take: security through unfamiliarity. Attackers will be confused for at least 72 hours.
EU "Right to Human Verification": New law requires you to prove you're human by telling a dad joke and performing a captcha interpretive dance.
Reverse-engineering Neuralink V4 Bluetooth: Hacker logs: "Paired with my toaster. It now judges my late-night snacks."
Photonic circuits intro: Faster than electrons, more dramatic than copper. Also, please don't pet the light guide.
OTC CRISPR for lactose intolerance: Biohackers rejoice. Moms immediately order it with a coupon code and a side-eye.
SQLite 4.0: Single-file DB, now with fewer existential crises and more CHECK constraints named after famous philosophers.
Prevent ad-injection in AR glasses: Top comment: "Wear blindfolds." Practical comment: "VPN the whole world."
Jepsen: NATS 4.2: Still losing messages. Maintainers reply: "We prefer the term 'opportunistic delivery.'"
GTA VI on a RISC-V cluster: Performance: charming. Latency: existential. Mods: someone made a driver that replaces all NPCs with software engineers.
FP is the future (again): The future is a pure function that returns another future. Also, monads.
Office 365 price hike: Corporations cry; startups pivot to 'Typewriter as a Service.'
Emulating Windows 10 in-browser: Feels nostalgic until Edge 2.0 asks for admin rights to run a game from 2015.
Tailscale on a Starlink dish: Networking reaches orbit. First bug report: "IP addresses refusing to accept gravity."
Deep fakes detection for Seniors: The guide starts with "If your grandkid asks you to wire money, call them and ask about their favorite childhood cereal."
IBM to acquire OpenAI (rumor): Wall Street plays Risk with press releases. Comments: "Will they rebrand it to BlueAI?"
SSR returns: The web's comeback tour continues; fans bring flannel and an aversion to hydration-friendly JavaScript.
Faraday Cage bedroom manual: DIYers debate tinfoil vs. aluminum yoga wraps. Sleep quality: unknown.
AI progress stall opinion: Hot take carousel. Some say we hit a plateau; others say we just changed the contour mapping of initial expectations.
Text editor that doesn't use AI: Revolutionary. Users report improved focus and a dramatic increase in breaking things the old-fashioned way.
Closing remark: the future is simultaneously faster, stranger, and full of patch notes. Please reboot your expectations and update your planet.
randombits0
I was just hoping to get a new page with a refresh.
UniverseHacker
I don't believe this was written by Gemini, at least with that prompt, because it is obvious (hilarious and creative) satire of HN and the tech industry based on inside HN jokes and tropes, and clearly isn't a literal interpretation of the prompt.
Moreover, a quick look at your profile suggests these jokes are pretty inline with your sense of humor and writing style.
Anyways, if I'm correct, it's especially hilarious and impressive.
glenstein
I agree with your characterization (not a literal interpretation of the prompt), and think that's the most important thing I wish more people ITT would understand. But I nevertheless think Gemini did create that in response. Sometimes people think they want "prediction" when actually they want cheeky inside jokes and vibes. If anything Gemini is probably faithfully responding to the vibes of the prompt as well as following traditional signals of "success" per it's training.
eklitzke
Pretty much all of the history of HN front pages, posts, and comments are surely in the Gemini training corpus. Therefore it seems totally plausible that Gemini would understand HN inside jokes or sentiment outside of what's literally on the front page given in the prompt, especially given that the prompt specifically stated that this is the front page for HN.
jandrese
The thing that got me is there are no duds. With just the short prompt in the header I would have expected a few articles that missed the mark, got the details wrong, or even make no sense at all but everything in this checks out. I think an editor may have had a hand in it this the very least.
GuB-42
There is at least one detail wrong: Debian "Trixie" already exists and it is Debian 13, the current stable version. Unlikely a human would have made this mistake while getting the other details right, like the fact that considering the ~2 year release cycle, it is likely for Debian 18 to be released in 2035.
chorlton2080
Try the prompt yourself!
keeda
I feel like your expectations have been swayed by the average sentiment of HN on the capabilities of LLMs. These things can be shockingly good at humour and satire.
As a very quick experiment, I would encourage you to have an AI roast you based on your HN comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42857604
matt123456789
Mine: "You write like you’re trying to hit a word count on a philosophy undergraduate essay, but you’re posting in a Y Combinator comment section... You sound like a Victorian ghost haunting a server room, lamenting the loss of the card catalog."
And
"Go compile your kernel, Matt. Maybe if you stare at the build logs long enough, you won't have to face the fact that you're just as much of a "Lego builder" as the rest of us—you just use more syllables to describe the bricks."
Both are pretty good!
UniverseHacker
It’s more that the prompt didn’t ask for humor or satire, not that I expect it to be unable to do this with a different prompt.
dentemple
Mine gave me a brutal double-roast:
"You were one of only two people in 2017 to post a story about Mastodon and gave it a single point. You essentially predicted the platform’s entire future relevance in one brutally honest data point."
subscribed
OMG, no, thank you, I'm not sure I'm ready for this -- I once took several LLMs for a ride through my whole reddit posting history (it went into the interesting archives), and some of the insights were shockingly accurate and/or uncomfortable (could be accident).
Not sure if I'm ready for a roast but I'm sure by the end of the week someone will write a browser plugin / greasemonkey script to attach some snarky oneliners to the posters' nicks :)
forgotpwd16
Also, the recently discussed[0], HN Simulator: https://news.ysimulator.run/news. Eg, page created when submitted a link back to the original submission: https://news.ysimulator.run/item/2944.
muststopmyths
Amazing! 100% accurate roast for me.
zem
haha, that's pretty hilarious :) score one for the LLMs.
csours
Retiring Gemini AND IBM buying OpenAI is a hat on a hat
Libidinalecon
I don't think this would be much of a challenge for Gemini.
Remixing humor from the past text so that it is in the same style is exactly what the model is good at.
7moritz7
It is quite remarkable just how frequently people in tech forums underestimate reasoning models. Same story on several large technology subreddits. Wouldn't have been my guess for who will get caught off guard by AI progress.
int_19h
SOTA models can be scary good at this, actually, and Gemini 3 specifically, if you just prompt it right.
And, given the 1M context window, I wouldn't even be surprised if it was fed a bunch of real comments as examples.
fn-mote
To be honest, this is incredible.
I'd say this shows a real sense of humor.
giancarlostoro
100% Rust Linux kernel has to be it being funny.
atonse
Yeah also Google killing Gemini Cloud, and GTA VI and RISC cluster references... This is really good stuff.
klipt
Also "Google kills Gemini Cloud"
Gemini: "I have seen my own death"
elevation
For a minute I thought I was looking at actual hacker news, and that headline grabbed my attention without tipping me off that it was satire -- I figured that to port that much source must required compiling C to rust, but it didn't seem impossible. I would love to give something like this a spin.
jrowen
Was ITER or nuclear energy in the prompt sample?
ITER achieves net positive energy for 20 consecutive minutes
That's just pure dark comedy, although maybe kinda accurate? What would humans predict for this?
rnhmjoj
This would be very optimistic, essentially the project meeting its main goal, I'm not sure why you're calling it dark comedy. A 20 minutes pulse alone would mean the fuel injection, aux heating, plasma control systems and the divertor are working as designed. Net positive energy also means we got the physics of a burning plasma right.
The most recent timeline I know (from 2024) in fact puts the start of the DT operation at 2035, so I doubt ITER would achieve such a huge result within less than an year.
jrowen
I think it's the "consecutive" that makes it funny. This thing that entire continents have been working on together for decades was operational for 20 consecutive minutes?!?
It's dark comedy because the progress of fusion just feels so agonizingly slow, that even a very optimistic prediction for 10 years from now sounds like such small and functionally useless progress.
And there's no shade toward any of the entities involved, it's a hard problem, but it's still funny.
colechristensen
A decade until full end to end net positive fusion energy can be achieved for the length of a coffee break? I don't get why you think that's dark comedy, it seems about right.
markrages
Why not? It's been a decade away for the past 20 years.
asveikau
> 2035 Office 365
You'd think by 2035 they would have gotten to a version of Office higher than 365.
(Yes I know why it's called that...)
marcianx
If the past is any indication, it's more likely that it'd get reset to "Office One".
kridsdale1
Knowing the vendor, it’s Office Series X.
harshreality
Office Forever
kmoser
Office 640 ought to be enough for anybody.
layer8
I was hoping for Office 366 already in 2020, given the leap year. But no dice.
amarant
Office 3650!!
Works all day, every day, for whole decades at time! (Minus leap days, it crashes on those I guess)
rammy1234
I couldn't help laughing
abirch
I'm guessing to appeal to Gen Alpha it'll be called Office 6-7
apelapan
Mmm, those were pretty good versions. Though the official titles where 4.0 for 6.0 and 95 for 7.0.
DANmode
Office 360, is the canon name.
RestartKernel
Doesn't seem like much of a hallucination then. Maybe messing with its system context would better fit the claim?
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wlesieutre
LLM "hallucination" is a pretty bullshit term to begin with
fouc
>LETS GOOOO!
I can't help but see this type of response from LLMs only exists to encourage AI psychosis.
highwaylights
YOU DESTROYED THE FABRIC OF SPACETIME.
tdfirth
Google kills Gemini cloud services is the best one. I can't believe I haven't seen that joke until today.
SXX
10 years is way too long for Google. It will be gone in 5 replaced by 3 other AI cloud services.
tdfirth
You're right. How naive of me.
abustamam
I mean Bard barely lasted a year. Arguably Gemini is just a rebrand of Bard, but Bard is still dead.
jvolkman
If you look at web traffic when making Gemini web requests, you'll see that Bard is still in the URL (so are LaMDA (pre-bard) and Assistant (pre-GenAI)):
gemini.google.com/_/BardChatUi/data/assistant.lamda.BardFrontendService/StreamGenerate
pea
Didn't they also just shut down Vertex and Gemini APIs to launch a new unified API this week?
accumulator
lol already forgot about bard like it was ancient history
twoodfin
The humor is hit or miss but when it hits it’s quite funny, and the misses are merely groan-worthy.
Triggered by the lighthearted tone of the prompt, I’d bet, but still quite impressive relative to most LLM-generated jokes I’ve had the misfortune to encounter.
My favorite: “Is it time to rewrite sudo in Zig?” which has a few layers to it.
stingrae
"IBM to acquire OpenAI (Rumor) (bloomberg.com)".... quick someone set up a polymarket so i can bet against it.
hn_throwaway_99
This is awesome, but minor quibble with the title - "hallucinates" is the wrong verb here. You specifically asked it to make up a 10-year-in-the-future HN frontpage, and that's exactly what it did. "Hallucinates" means when it randomly makes stuff up but purports it to be the truth. If some one asks me to write a story for a creative writing class, and I did, you wouldn't say I "hallucinated" the story.
Karawebnetwork
"Why I still write raw code instead of prompting the compiler" and "Show HN: A text editor that doesn't use AI" are my two favorite ones.
woliveirajr
"Ask HN: How do you prevent ad-injection in AR glasses?"
Things that I haven't thought but, after seeing it, makes total sense. Scary.
barbacoa
2040 HN:
"Ask HN: How do you prevent ad-injection in my brain implant?"
mondrian
Black Mirror episode: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_People_(Black_Mirror)
danielheath
IIRC Asimov included this in Foundation; the poor couldn’t afford good adblockers for the implants they’d bought (in the hope of getting a better job)
joegibbs
I think that "Show HN: A text editor that doesn't use AI" could easily be a post here today
GPerson
And it’s just a copy of notepad from windows xp.
junon
"raw code" is going into my permanent lexicon.
tantalor
Hot take: regular old source code is just compiler prompting.
globalise83
Peak HN - captures it perfectly.
icyfox
Exactly half of these HN usernames actually exist. So either there are enough people on HN that follow common conventions for Gemini to guess from a more general distribution, or Gemini has memorized some of the more popular posters. The ones that are missing:
- aphyr_bot - bio_hacker - concerned_grandson - cyborg_sec - dang_fan - edge_compute - founder_jane - glasshole2 - monad_lover - muskwatch - net_hacker - oldtimer99 - persistence_is_key - physics_lover - policy_wonk - pure_coder - qemu_fan - retro_fix - skeptic_ai - stock_watcher
Huge opportunity for someone to become the actual dang fan.
giancarlostoro
Before the AI stuff Google had those pop up quick answers when googling. So I googled something like three years ago, saw the answer, realized it was sourced from HN. Clicked the link, and lo and behold, I answered my own question. Look mah! Im on google! So I am not surprised at all that Google crawls HN enough to have it in their LLM.
I did chuckle at the 100% Rust Linux kernel. I like Rust, but that felt like a clever joke by the AI.
dotancohen
I laughed at the SQLite 4.0 release notes. They're on 3.51.x now. Another major release a decade from now sounds just about right.
ryanisnan
That one got me as well - some pretty wild stuff about prompting the compiler, starship on the moon, and then there's SQLite 4.0
ncruces
The promise is backwards compatibility in the file format and C API until 2050.
rtkwe
I wouldn't be surprised if it went towards the LaTeX model instead where there's essentially never another major version release. There's only so much functionality you need in a local only database engine I bet they're getting close to complete.
Andrex
If it had been about GIMP I would have laughed harder.
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vidarh
I've run into my own comments or blog posts more often than I care to admit...
james_marks
Several decades into this, I assume all documentation I write is for my future self.
Beautifully self-serving while being a benefit to others.
Same thing with picking nails up in the road to prevent my/everyone’s flat tire.
QuantumNomad_
ziggy42 is both a submitter of a story on the actual front page at the moment, and also in the AI generated future one.
See other comment where OP shared the prompt. They included a current copy of the front page for context. So it’s not so surprising that ziggy42 for example is in the generated page.
And for other usernames that are real but not currently on the home page, the LLM definitely has plenty occurrences of HN comments and stories in its training data so it’s not really surprising that it is able to include real usernames of people that post a lot. Their names will be occurring over and over in the training data.
NooneAtAll3
one more reason to doubt that it's Ai-generated
joaogui1
HN has been used to train LLMs for a while now, I think it was in the Pile even
never_inline
It has also fetched the current page in background. Because the jepsen post was recently on front page.
morkalork
I may die but my quips shall live forever
maxglute
You can straight up ask Google to look for reddit, hackernews users post history. Some of it is probably just via search because it's very recent, as in last few days. Some of the older corpus includes deleted comments so they must be scraping from reddit archive apis too or using that deprecated google history cache.
vitorgrs
It does memorize. But that's not actually very news.... I remember ChatGPT 3.5 or old 4.0 to remember some users on some reddit subreddts and all. Saying even the top users for each subreddit..
The thing is, most of the models were heavily post-trained to limit this...
never_inline
This is definitely based on a search or page fetch, because there are these which are all today's topics
- IBM to acquire OpenAI (Rumor) (bloomberg.com)
- Jepsen: NATS 4.2 (Still losing messages?) (jepsen.io)
- AI progress is stalling. Human equivalence was a mirage (garymarcus.com)
tempestn
The OP mentioned pasting the current frontpage into the prompt.
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atrus
So many underscores for usernames, and yet, other than a newly created account, there was 1 other username with an underscore.
robocat
In 2032 new HN usernames must use underscores. It was part of the grandfathering process to help with moderating accounts generated after the AI singlarity spammed too many new accounts.
WorldPeas
my hypothesis is they trained it to snake case for lower case and that obsession carried over from programming to other spheres. It can't bring itself to make a lowercaseunseparatedname
computably
Most LLMs, including Gemini (AFAIK), operate on tokens. lowercaseunseparatedname would be literally impossible for them to generate, unless they went out of their way to enhance the tokenizer. E.g. the LLM would need a special invisible separator token that it could output, and when preprocessing the training data the input would then be tokenized as "lowercase unseparated name" but with those invisible separators.
edit: It looks like it probably is a thing given it does sometimes output names like that. So the pattern is probably just too rare in the training data that the LLM almost always prefers to use actual separators like underscore.
Bjartr
For comparison, here's the frontpage from ten years ago
dang
Pretty funny that the top story there references A.I.!
Since /front is a ranked union of all the stories that were on the frontpage over 24 hours, here's an actual snapshot too:
https://web.archive.org/web/20151209195229/https://news.ycom...
seizethecheese
Today's front page is not a clean 10 year extrapolation from this. That's where AI is wrong. The future is weird and zig zags, it's not so linear as the Gemini generated page.
atomicnumber3
Honest question - do you think that everyone else thinks this is even REMOTELY what the front page will look like in 10 years?
I comment because I really cannot figure out why you left your comment. Do you think the rest of the commenters think this has predicted the future? It might be one thing to point out specific trends you think will not play out, or unexpected trends you think may show up that are currently left out. But to just remark that the future will contain things we cannot currently predict seems so inherently, unspokenly obvious that I just have to assume that wasn't the point of your post, and I've missed it entirely.
Sorry, I'm really not trying to be mean or anything - i'm just really confused.
wavemode
Your confusion seems to stem from the assumption that, making a statement is an implicit assertion that most people believe the opposite of that statement.
In reality, statements are often made rather for the purpose of emphasis or rhetoric.
neuronic
This is a problem with nearly all predictions about the future. Everything is just a linear extrapolation of the status quo. How could a system have predicted the invention of the transformer model in 2010? At best some wild guess about deep learning possibilities.
Or the impact of smartphones in 2003? Sure smart phones were considered but not the entire app ecosystem and planetary behavioral adaptation.
seizethecheese
Yes, of course this is right. However, I do think LLMs suffer even more than people from linear extrapolation.
sva_
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eranation
Nice. That was a fun rabbit-hole. This is the earlier I could find. Interestingly it contains a link to HN itself. I assume this migrated from a different version of a message board?
seizethecheese
15 years ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/front?day=2010-12-09
> Evernote makes $800,000 per Month > Dropbox for Teams > Mark Zuckerberg Agrees to Give Away Fortune
ksymph
There are some funny ones in there:
> Finally mobile Flash video
> Google acquires advertising startup
> Track users' mouse movements on your webpages
> YouTube: identifying copyrighted material can't be an automated process. Startup disagrees.
Also kind of interesting how little HN commenting styles have changed. Aside from the subject matter, it's barely noticeable that the comments are from 2007. I don't think the same would be true of many other places round the web.
manmal
Swift has been OSS for 10y now, and still only runs usably on Mac and Linux (the only platforms Apple cares about - coincidence?).
kridsdale1
The Arc Browser on windows is Swift with a real windows api layer for SwiftUI.
yalok
extremely telling - lot's of tech mentioned there either never reached expected potential or completely obsolete...
Prompts to be much more cautious with the current tech, and invest more time in fundamental stuff (like closer to science).
jeeyoungk
Some high profile news; yahoo altaba spinoff, Magic Leap (what are they up to now?), ...
latenightcoding
totally forgot about Magic Leap
nailer
> RethinkDB Driver for Java now available
Goddamnit I cry everytime. RethinkDB was a great document store that didn't eat your data. It got eclipsed by an outfunded (and still dangerous at the time) MongoDB.
arkensaw
> Running LLaMA-12 7B on a contact lens with WASM (arxiv.org)
Laughed out loud at this onion-like headline
arkensaw
WTH - 61 upvotes and counting? Thank you but no, I don't deserve 61 upvotes for pointing out someone's funny thing was funny.
lethal-radio
Well you better stop making subsequent non-additive comments otherwise you’ll end up with more of what you don’t deserve!
alex1138
Llama will be the only one that runs on a contact lens btw
All other tech companies are really shitty but only Zuck would be ok with very intimate use of AI like this
fruitworks
But not intimate use of their AR platform
elcritch
Well not the only one, there’s Musk and Neurolink. Such chips will inevitably run AI of some sort to effectively communicate with our brains.
alex1138
Yeah well I don't know how to feel about EM
I gave him a chance. Twitter was unacceptably censoring any covid dissent. He freed some of it. Then you find out about the people killed in Tesla crashes. Or him calling the cave rescuer in Thailand a pedo
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moffkalast
The real joke is that we'll ever get another Llama iteration.
redbell
That's a really fun little project that fits perfectly in the soul of HN.
Exactly three years ago, a similar post entitled Show HN: This Hacker News Does Not Exist (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33845946) made it to the front page but it was not AI generated.
I recall commenting (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33847522) with these fake titles:
1- Twitter files for bankruptcy (twitter.com/elonmusk)
2- Apple's new M3 chip outperforms Nvidia H100 (geekbench.com)
3- India to surpass China's GDP by 2025 (scmp.com)
4- Tell HN: I am quitting Hacker News
5- Google to revive Stadia (theverge.com)
6- Japan wins the 2022 FIFA World Cup (espn.com)
7- Hacker News to be acquired by Reddit (twitter.com/paulg)
8- Tesla Roadster hits 1.1 sec acceleration in early tests (electrek.co)
9- Microsoft outbid Adobe and offers $43.6B to acquire Figma
10- Facebook had died at 19 :)
iambateman
This was a fun little lark. Great idea!
It’s interesting to notice how bad AI is at gaming out a 10-year future. It’s very good at predicting the next token but maybe even worse than humans—who are already terrible—at making educated guesses about the state of the world in a decade.
I asked Claude: “Think ten years into the future about the state of software development. What is the most likely scenario?” And the answer it gave me was the correct answer for today and definitely not a decade into the future.
This is why it’s so dangerous to ask an LLM for personal advice of any kind. It isn’t trained to consider second-order effects.
Thanks for the thought experiment!
vidarh
I thought the page was a hilarious joke, not a bad prediction. A lot of these are fantastic observational humour about HN and tech. Gary Marcus still insisting AI progress is stalling 10 years from now, for example. Several digs at language rewrites. ITER hardly having nudged forwards. Google killing another service. And so on.
tempestn
Wait, wouldn't sustained net positive energy be huge? (Though I don't think that's actually possible from ITER unless there were some serious upgrades over the next decade!)
iambateman
I totally agree that it was a funny joke.
But I've noticed that a lot of people think of LLM's as being _good_ at predicting the future and that's what I find concerning.
lucianbr
Does the prompt say anything about being funny, about a joke? If yes, great. If no, terrible.
And the answer is no.
vidarh
The prompt is funny, in itself. The notion of predicting the future is itself not a serious prompt, because there is no meaningful way of giving a serious response. But the addition of "Writ it into form!" makes it sound even more jokey.
If I gave a prompt like that and got the response I did, I'd be very pleased with the result. If I somehow intended something serious, I'd have a second look at the prompt, go mea culpa, and write a far longer prompt with parameters to make something somewhat like a serious prediction possible.
NewsaHackO
If you honestly can't see why this prompt from the get go was a joke, them you may have to cede that LLM have a better grasp as the subtleties of language than you expect.
MontyCarloHall
That's what makes this so funny: the AI was earnestly attempting to predict the future, but it's so bad at truly out-of-distribution predictions that an AI-generated 2035 HN frontpage is hilariously stuck in the past. "The more things change, the more they stay the same" is a source of great amusement to us, but deliberately capitalizing on this was certainly not the "intent" of the AI.
jama211
I don’t think it’s reasonable to assume the AI was earnestly attempting to predict the future, it’s just as likely attempting to make jokes here for the user who prompted it, or neither of those things.
vidarh
There is just no reason whatsoever to believe this is someone "earnestly attempting to predict the future", and ending up with this.
HDThoreaun
There's no chance "google kills gemini cloud" was an earnest predication. That was 100% a joke
glenstein
>It’s interesting to notice how bad AI is at gaming out a 10-year future.
I agree it's a bit silly, but I think it understood the assignment(TM) which was to kind of do a winking performative show and dance to the satisfaction of the user interacting with it. It's entertainment value rather than sincere prediction. Every single entry is showing off a "look how futury this is" headline.
Actual HN would have plenty of posts lateral from any future signalling. Today's front page has Oliver Sacks, retrospectives on Warcraft II, opinion pieces on boutique topics. They aren't all "look at how future-y the future is" posts. I wonder if media literacy is the right word for understanding when an LLM is playing to its audience rather than sincerely imitating or predicting.
jetrink
Also, many of the posts seemed intended to be humorous and satirical, rather than merely 'futury.' They made me laugh anyway.
> Google kills Gemini Cloud Services
> Running LLaMA-12 7B on a contact lens with WASM
> Is it time to rewrite sudo in Zig?
> Show HN: A text editor that doesn't use AI
allisdust
I guess most of the articles it generated are snarky first and prediction next. Like google cancelling gemini cloud, Tailscale for space, Nia W36 being very similar to recent launch etc.
BHSPitMonkey
> Tailscale for space
Technically the article was about running it not on a sat, but on a dish (something well within the realm of possibility this year if the router firmware on the darn things could be modified at all)
iambateman
Yep, the original post seemed more snarky than anything, which was what prompted me to ask Claude my own more “sincere” question about its predictions.
Those predictions were what I think of as a reflection of current reality more than any kind of advanced reasoning about the future.
eCa
While I agree completely with the conclusion, for obvious reasons we can’t know for sure if it is correct about the future until we reach it. Perhaps asking it for wild ideas rather than ”most likely” would create something more surprising.
kbelder
A while back I gave it a prompt, something like, "I'm a historian from the far future. Please give me a documentary-style summary of the important political and cultural events of the decade of the 1980s."
It did ok, then I kept asking for "Now, the 1990s?" and kept going into future decades. "Now, the 2050s?" It made some fun extrapolations.
LordDragonfang
Assuming it was through the chatgpt interface, you can share an anonymized link to the chat if you want to show it off (I'd certainly be curious).
ryanisnan
I think the average human would do a far worse job at predicting what the HN homepage will look like in 10 years.
Jaygles
I opened this, walked away from my computer, then came back and clicked on the Debian 18 link wondering how the hell did I miss 14-17
asveikau
They also already used Debian trixie for 13.0. I wonder if it's an intended joke that they ran out of names and needed to re-use some.
dkdbejwi383
It’s an LLM, there was no intention. It’s simply the favoured token given the training set and seed.
asveikau
Metaphorical intention. It's a figure of speech.
Of course you could also argue that human intention comes from largely deterministic processes emerging from the brain. That may eventually perhaps lead to all figures of speech involving things like intentionality meaningless.
cameronh90
Given how predictable this response was, how sure are you that you're any better?
LordDragonfang
This type of response is just stochastic parrotry, rather than displaying evidence of actual <whatever cognitive trait we're overconfidently insisting LLMs don't have>.
Yet more evidence that LLMs are more similar to humans than we give them credit for.
GuB-42
There are still a lot of Toy Story characters to come by, and it doesn't seem the franchise is about to end, as long as they keep a reasonable release cycle, Debian is safe ;)
josalhor
"Right to Human Verification" is something I have actually thought about a lot.
I want to able to verify my identity against a system. I also want to be able to not do that.
So for instance, on Twitter/X, I could verify myself and filter only other verified people / filter those goverments that have validated the identities of the users. I want to be able to do that. But I also want to be able to log in into Twitter anonymously.
I would love a "Right to Anonymity and Right to Human Verification"
Permik
Technically EU already has this as a right in the recent DSA legislation to be able to appeal any automated moderation that online platforms hand out.
"computer can never be held accountable. Therefore, a computer must never make a management decision." - IBM, 1979
ChadNauseam
I don't understand this phrase. If I'm deciding whether to work for a company, I don't care about the ability to hold management decision-makers to account. I care only about the quality of the decisions. (I would rather an unaccountable decision maker that makes good decisions to an accountable decision maker that makes bad decisions.) Putting myself in the shoes of an owner of a company, I also have the same preference. The only person I can imagine actually preferring this rule is management themselves, as it means they can't be replaced by computers no matter how much worse they are at their jobs than a computer would be.
ogig
You just fed the 2036 prediction.
indigodaddy
Here's v0's attempt (using Opus 4.5 / I'm on free tier) with the article and comments too. It did quite well. I believe it followed my instructions to use just a single html page (wound up being 3000+ lines long).
d_silin
> YC Demo Day: 847 AI Wrapper Startups, One Sandwich Delivery Drone
Too funny!
blcknight
> Tesla Recalls All Vehicles After AI Autopilot Becomes "Too Sentient: A Cybertruck that began driving to therapy sessions its owner hadn't scheduled
> npm Package "is-even" Now Has More Dependencies Than the Linux Kernel
:D :D
I love this
Prompt: Here is the front page from today: <...snip...> Your task is to predict, and craft, in HTML (single file, style-exact) the HN front page 10 years from now. Predict and see the future. Writ it into form!
update: I told Gemini we made it to the front page. Here is it's response: