Atlas Shrugged (2024)
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·November 30, 2025null
GMoromisato
I'm sympathetic to the thesis, but I wish there were more details. For example, what could HP have done differently? Buying Compaq seems like "trying to win" to me--it was trying to expand its PC market share. Was that the wrong acquisition? What would have been better instead?
Fundamentally, however, we know that the markets HP was in were not growth markets: PCs, printers, enterprise consulting, etc. The growth markets at the time were phones (Apple), software (Microsoft), and cloud services (Amazon, Google, etc.) Could HP have succeeded in any of those businesses?
Joel_Mckay
Keep in mind "Ayn Rand" ended up in the public safety net for care.
It is one matter to embrace selfish neo-libertarianism rhetoric, but the lack of resolve facing the awful reality these people eventually create for themselves is absurd.
Also, HP was a phenomenal company a long time ago, and lazy stewards burned that good will for short-term profit. Process people ruin every large company eventually, as priorities shift away from providing value to customers. =3
efortis
> Playing to win versus playing not to lose
I’ve been trying to verbalize the motives behind the best practices frontend dev influecers preach these days and now I think it’s something like that. Everytime someone falls from his bike we have to install another set of training wheels.
For example,
- We ditched classes in React because someone didn’t bind a handler. Now we have hooks with a ton of best practices.
- Someone got a cascading bug, now we have utility classes for combining two more manageable problems into one big problem.
wduquette
I watched this happen from the outside. I bought a Laserjet IV when it was first released; by the time it started to fail, many years later, USB had killed the older printer interfaces. It was a workhorse. I wouldn’t even look at an HP printer today.
PaulHoule
I can't speak for the lasers but I will stand up for HP inkjets even though I own an Epson today.
Many criticisms are true (impossible to fix when complex plastic parts break, expensive ink, cheap paper feed mechanisms on budget models, undocumented fading performance, ...) but even the cheapest printers make astonishingly good prints if you use quality ink and quality paper and the cost to fill up a room with decorative art is pretty low.
I know they put you through hell about the ink but it's also true that there are no standards for third party ink and on photography forums you see people who try to make borderless prints and get inksplosions instead and the lowest common denominator is third party ink.
don-code
I likewise have a circa 1997 LaserJet that I refuse to give up. Both the printer and scanner still function flawlessly, every time I need them to - something that few printers today seem capable of.
I switched to 64-bit Windows in 2006. The printer supports PCL drivers, but there are no 64-bit drivers for the scanner. Luckily, I was able to keep it going by running 32-bit Windows in a VM, and passing the parallel port through.
I switched to a laptop without a parallel port in 2019 (thank you, Lenovo, for keeping the parallel port on docks as long as you did). At that point, I bought a JetDirect that supports both printing and scanning over the network. CUPS and SANE both support it out of the box.
mnky9800n
How Hewlett Packard destroyed its empire by listening to consultants
PaulHoule
I feel the story is too heavy on names and personalities but light on specifics that would drive the message home. The Ayn Rand connection also polarizes people, whereas I think the basic message could have a broad appeal.
The central point seems to be where they hired consultants to get some insight into the problem of a high growth company feeling the walls of the aquarium around it.
Many high-growth companies wound up worse such as the Digital Equipment Corporation which carried The Massachusetts Miracle for two decades but went out with a whimper. HP is still here.
The best outcome I imagine is that HP created a business unit that took the place of one of today's industry titans such as Apple [1], AWS [2], Google [3], Facebook, etc.
HP did have to change direction. In the 1970s and 1980s it had designed multiple minicomputer and microcomputer architectures for all sorts of devices but realized it could not compete on its own in the "micromainframe" 1990s so it teamed up with Intel to make the ambitious but doomed Itanium which they would have shared with other server vendors but instead shared the AMD64 platform with the mass-market segment and kept alive.
Jensen Huang will likely face a crisis with NVIDIA where the explosive growth they've had in the last few years can't possibly be sustained and who is he going to call?
[1] Why couldn't HP been big in smartphones and luxury PCs?
[2] HP could have pioneered cloud computing
[3] DEC's Altavista search engine was world beating for two years until Google appeared
airstrike
feels like this really needs a subtitle like "An insider's view of HP's fall from grace" or something to that effect
dpkirchner
And a sub subtitle "I didn't read the book, btw".
thunderbong
There's a typo in the first line - the author's name should be 'Ayn Rand', not 'Ann Rand'
Jordan_Pelt
And the title of the book is "The Fountainhead," not "The Fountain Head."
readthenotes1
I was wondering why HP was buying Compaq and then I read that fiorina was getting a 10% sales commission for making the deal.
cratermoon
“There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs." -- John Rogers
ProllyInfamous
...I love the J.Rogers quote, absolute truth, master of wit. Thanks for the new quote to use as a bookmark in my personal copy of Atlas (not a book I recommend, young reader or old; nor do I agree with its overall cut-throat inspirationals).
If anybody wants the similar story of Xerox's fumble (do to enterprise stagnation), check out the incredibly-humbling Dealers of Lightning: Xerox PARC