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I am stepping down as the CEO of Mastodon

I am stepping down as the CEO of Mastodon

134 comments

·November 18, 2025

jonathaneunice

"I always want to say to people who want to be rich and famous: 'try being rich first'. See if that doesn't cover most of it. There's not much downside to being rich, other than paying taxes and having your relatives ask you for money. But when you become famous, you end up with a 24-hour job." -- Bill Murray

wmeredith

I've heard a similar maxim that being rich is fantastic, rich and famous is good, poor is bad, poor and famous is a nightmare.

weinzierl

In addition to that: With money you can always buy popularity easily, but converting popularity into money is hard work at least. I'd even say that turning fame into significant wealth is an art only few have truly mastered.

michaelt

> With money you can always buy popularity easily

I don’t know if Elon Musk is an example or a counter-example. Maybe both?

RobotToaster

And if you can't buy popularity you can always buy a really high wall.

thih9

> and transferring my ownership of the trademark and other assets to the Mastodon non-profit

This is refreshing and exemplary; especially in the light of recent wordpress, rubygems, or similar power struggle dramas.

rmoriz

My mastodon account on mastodon.social (the official instance) was deleted without a reason after I criticized the former GDR. Not going to donate another €100 this year.

bhhaskin

Mastodon has been great. The platform and generally most users aren't trying to constantly sell me something or influence me. It people sharing their lives, hobbies and passion. Influencers don't bother because it doesn't have the massive following and reach other platforms have, but that's part of what makes it special imo.

nabla9

There are some tight groups, but number of active users is very low and getting lower, number of serves is also decreasing.

I did some random sampling and it looks like large number of active users are talking to void and may not have realized it. They post regularly, have 100s of followers but no active followers.

The most popular servers like mastodon.social are cesspools of snark, anger and grandstanding.

JadoJodo

What happened last summer? (I couldn't find anything on it)

shakna

A thread with a user that devolved into name calling.

Or the Twitter fight where he encouraged people to DOS the rival.

Or the account takeover CVE and repercussions.

Conscat

I know we must have some terminally online fediverse users here. One of them must have an idea what he is alluding to.

burningChrome

Looks like the inmates won again:

Without linking to the posts, Rochko also mentioned that “a particularly bad interaction with a user last summer” led him to realize it was time to “step back and find a healthier relationship with the project.” It also drove the decision to restructure Mastodon.

mmooss

Look at some of the comments in this HN discussion, and you can see what Rochko means.

mikkupikku

Meh, the worst I see in this thread with show dead on is some tedious criticism, politics slop and one guy posting a racial slur. I can't imagine making decisions about the direction of my life over such mild nothings.

Then again, Mastadon is basically social media for people who can't handle normal social media, so I guess some elevated sensitivity goes with the territory.

api

I would never, ever want to have anything to do with running any kind of online community these days, or even anything adjacent to one.

youniverse

Let's salute dang for his service.

m-hodges

Godspeed, John Mastodon

memorydial

Haha, you might have slexdyia.

deathanatos

I think it's more the keming of the domain portion of the HN title, especially combined with HN's rather small font size choice (it's a meager 8pt¹!) there, and that it just happens that the mis-kemed result ends up with "John Mastodon", and is thus not trivially noticeable as "wrong"…

(I read it the same way, too.)

(¹I personally have a browser override for HN's tiny font choice; I thought that 12pt was the universally agreed upon "base text" point size, and "10pt" was "small text", but HN's "normal" is 9pt.)

ajkjk

HN is simple enough that it scales well with browser zoom, and so (imo) is excusable for not following that 12pt standard.

shaky-carrousel

Dyslexics of the world, untie!

layer8

He’s also receiving €1 million as a one-time compensation. Not quite enough to retire on that.

simonw

Here's more information on that: https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2025/11/the-future-is-ours-to-...

> For our team, a vital aspect of getting this restructuring right was making sure that Eugen was compensated fairly for Mastodon’s brand trademark, assets, and the 10 years he spent building Mastodon into what it is today (while taking less than a fair market salary). Based on replacement costs, Eugen’s time and effort, and the fair market value of the Mastodon brand, its associated properties, and the social network, we settled on a one-time compensation of EUR 1M.

edm0nd

Still enough to have a good lil nest egg that generates okay-ish passive income if invested correctly.

@ 4% that's €40k/year

more than what most regular people have

kjkjadksj

Does he not have to pay taxes on that 1m euros in the eu?

cntlzw

Absolutely. That is either "Teileinkünfteverfahren" (60% of 1 Million EUR are taxed, 40% are tax-exempt) or "Abgeltungssteuer" (Government takes a 25% cut). Fun fact: there is no tax on winning the lottery in Germany!

vjerancrnjak

Some countries have 0 rate if sold after x years. Although many had it in the past, they’ve started eliminating it.

FuriouslyAdrift

I guess top rate in Germany is 45%

zwnow

You pretty much pay taxes on everything in the EU. In Germany there are ways you can reduce the total tax you have to pay and as far as I know you wont have to pay social security contributions on that. It'll still be 6 digit tax amount.

mk89

Sure he does. He lives in Germany. They are gonna rip that 1 million apart.

stevage

You're assuming zero savings to begin with, which is a weird assumption.

pcthrowaway

His salary from Mastadon annual reports 2021-2023 were 28,800, then 36,000, then 60,000 euros annually (reports for 2024 and 2025 are not released yet), so unless he had side gigs or deals, I wouldn't expect he has a ton of savings at the moment. Glad he is getting a decent payout with his exit, though unfortunately a windfall like this in one year offers less take-home than if he was paid this over several years.

I really hope he's able to find success and better work-life balance in his future endeavours

jasonjmcghee

It doesn't say he's retiring (afaik) - he might still have compensation

layer8

Hence why I said it’s not enough to retire on it.

jimbokun

It is if you deliberately find a low cost of living area and control your costs.

naIak

Damn, where is Mastodon getting €1M from?

Also where do you get from that you can't retire with €1M. It seems very feasible as long as you keep a frugal lifestyle.

geerlingguy

> We deeply appreciate the generosity of Jeff Atwood and the Atwood Family (EUR 2.2M), Biz Stone, AltStore (EUR 260k), GCC (EUR 65k), and Craig Newmark.

> We want to thank the generous individual donors that participated in our fundraising drive. We put individual donations entirely towards Mastodon’s operations (primarily, paying our full-time employees to improve Mastodon), which totalled EUR 337k over the past 12 months (September 2024 - September 2025).

From https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2025/11/the-future-is-ours-to-...

bluGill

Generally charitable foundations figure that you can withdraw 3% per year from your savings and never run out. Remember you have to account for not only good years, but also really bad years, so even though you can average 10% over the long term in the stock market there will be decades that you are negative. There are also bond investments that are safer, but have worse return. And inflation is always eating into your savings so if they don't grow by that much every year (on average) eventually you will run out of money.

3% of a million is only 30k per year. A frugal person can live on that little - but it will be hard. You can make more than that working at McDonald's near me, and nobody would claim that is a living wage.

Now if you want to retire you don't need your nest egg to last forever, only until you die. You can thus withdraw a bit more than 3%, but I'm not sure how much. (and you may have other pension plans to work with). Still if you withdraw 100k/year from this million you will run out of money in less than 20 years (with 12 being realistic) 100k per year is not a great income for a programmer.

naIak

>You can make more than that working at McDonald's near me, and nobody would claim that is a living wage.

Hey, good for you. But 30k per year is a very good salary in European countries such as Spain, where the median salary is just a bit over half that.

BeetleB

Depends on your age and where you live. If you're single, no kids, and don't need healthcare, sure.

Where I live (not expensive like SV), they recommend $90K+ to "live comfortably".

A 1 bedroom apartment is $19K/year. Insurance rates vary widely, but premium + deductible - you may want to assume $10K/year. So you're already at $30K without eating, Internet, utility bills and transportation.

I'm sure one could live off of that 1M if fairly frugal, but it's not what most people want.

markdown

Healthcare is taken care of by his taxes.

layer8

It’s not impossible to retire on that (assuming the stock market keeps going indefinitely), but you probably wouldn’t unless forced to, at his age. With €2-3M it would be less of a question.

jandrese

Depends how old you are how much you already have saved. If you still have a mortgage payment it's probably not going to make it. If he fully owns a farm out in the woods somewhere where you don't have to buy health insurance it might be possible. Taxes are probably the biggest worry, inflation the next.

lrvick

€1M would not even cover the property tax to retire in the cheapest bay area home.

mminer237

Uh, that's one of the most expensive places to live in the world. That's kind of the opposite of frugal. It's very doable in most of the US, as that's almost double what most retired people have, let alone the rest of the world.

Barrin92

thankfully nobody's forced to live in the Bay Area. With a million in the bank you could live off the interest in Portugal or an even cheaper city in Asia without touching the principal. Frankly on 40k you can even live here in Germany comfortably where Eugen hails from too.

nrhrjrjrjtntbt

Why is retiring mentioned? Most jobs pay zero when you leave so 1M is cool.

layer8

He was the founder and head of the company, so probably wouldn’t have had to step down if he didn’t want to.

bluGill

Because that is the common thing someone will do when they get what looks like a large sum of money. It isn't the only option, but it is a common one.

tannhaeuser

Found it interesting they've lost status as a non-profit for tax exemption in Germany, and now establish a non-profit in the US for attracting investors while dev and ops remain in a German gGmbH.

lutoma

My understanding is that the non-profit in the US exists exclusively to handle fundraising from US donors who might not be able to give to non-US organizations for tax reasons.

bluGill

Though if you are in the US odds are you don't need this tax deduction anyway. Few people understand how US taxes work and so give their accountant all their deductions because they know tax deductions exist. They don't realize that the standard deduction applies and they don't/can't deduct anything.

(if you do apply deductions then this matters)

mikepurvis

Or for a tax receipt. I give modestly to Wikipedia, but their lack of a Canadian entity means I direct the bulk of my giving toward entities that I get the CRA kickback for.

ekjhgkejhgk

Mastodon is great. It's just unfortunate that the number of people is on the low side.

verdverm

On boarding is too complicated for your average social user

https://atproto.com has more of the developer mindshare now

lutoma

It's also effectively centralized. Of course that makes the experience easier.

RobotToaster

It's another centralised service

LastTrain

I wish it were better. I really want to move to it, but they’ve somehow managed to even make something as simple as liking a toot unintuitive. Boost and favorite don’t fit the bill.

criddell

At some point more users would probably make everything worse. Having a low user count is probably a good thing.

dsr_

I think the fediverse is great but: the specific desire for "more people that you already know coming to the Fediverse" is good; the general desire "more people" is not such a useful goal.

INTPenis

>The fediverse is an island within an increasingly dystopian capitalist hellscape.

bovermyer

These two statements are not mutually exclusive.

amiga386

Fantastic!

Now he's not there to block progress [0], can we remove Mastodon's intentional DDoS please and just include the link preview in the toot. Add a disclaimer on the UI saying "link preview comes from toot" if it makes you happy. Then Mastodon can be a good web citizen and not a force for evil.

It's only been an open problem for 7 years. Nothing in the grand scheme of things.

[0] https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/4486#issuecommen...

kvirani

I don't see his linked comment as blocking progress. Both of those questions are very valid and something I'd expect from a good core maintainer.

Disclaimer: I don't have any additional context.

sedatk

There are other examples. He single-handedly prevented quote tweets from being implemented in Mastodon because "they lead to toxicity", disregarding the benefits of quote tweets and the barrage of feedback supporting it.

Meanwhile, Bluesky implemented QTs in a perfect way: you can detach your post from quotes or prevent quoting entirely if you want, but the feature is there.

lutoma

This comment is a great illustration of the needlessly hostile interactions mentioned in the blog post.

There's a nuanced technical discussion about the merits of adding this to Mastodon and whether the effort would really be worth it. Eugen made some reasonable points against it.

But instead of engaging with the discussion in good faith, people like you automatically assume the worst intentions and claim Eugen personally is "blocking progress" like there's some grand conspiracy (Instead of the much more boring reality of limited dev time and having to prioritize things).

mmooss

> automatically assume the worst intentions

I don't know there's an assumption involved. I think for many people, it gives them the opportunity to act out on anger, shame, and other emotions they've internalized. They smell 'blood in the water' and know they can get away with it.

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