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UK's first small nuclear power station to be built in north Wales

perihelions

> "The old nuclear power plant at Wylfa was switched off in 2015"

Tangentially—this is a brownfield site, where there once was an early generation of nuclear fission reactor, cooled by CO2 gas. Here's a brief description of what those machines looked like (not this exact one):

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29890470 ("Nothing like this will be built again"—263 comments)

mikaeluman

Great news. Lets hope this is just the start.

The whole of Europe needs to get on with energy security and Britain can and should be a leader here, next to Netherlands, Sweden and France.

hdgvhicv

The question is what’s better value for money, wind and solar (potentially with storage when required), or nuclear.

rwmj

Wind & nuclear together. Britain already has large wind installations, since the sea to the east is quite shallow (it used to be a land bridge to Europe only 7,000-10,000 years ago). Back that up with nuclear providing the base load and you have reasonable energy security.

ViewTrick1002

> Back that up with nuclear providing the base load and you have reasonable energy security.

So you’re saying that we should turn off the nuclear plant?

What do we calculate? A generous 50% capacity factor?

The new built nuclear power now costs ~40 cents/kWh.

It just becomes ridiculously expensive when real world constraints are added.

cinntaile

As usual the answer is likely to be a combination of energy sources. It's not wind and solar (+storage) OR nuclear, it's wind and solar (+storage) AND nuclear (and of course other energy sources when appropriate).

ViewTrick1002

The problem is that nuclear powers profile with fixed output and extremely high CAPEX costs is the opposite to what a modern grid needs.

How would you add an extremely expensive new built nuclear plant to this grid? Would you shut it down for days on end or try to run it as a peaker?

https://explore.openelectricity.org.au/energy/sa1/?range=7d&...

helltone

In the UK, probably nuclear.

rcxdude

Nuclear is surprisingly expensive and solar/wind/storage is surprisingly cheap. Even solar in the UK has better economics than nuclear, and it has no shortage of wind.

7bit

Truly great news. Less competition in the renewable energy sector for us.

zwnow

I dont understand this cult like love for nuclear energy. Its the same behavior Tesla lovers or Apple lovers have, just ignoring all the issues... I'd be a fan too if there weren't about 130000 barrels of nuclear waste rotting in an old salt mine threatening my fresh water supply. Also the Russian attack on the Ukraine has shown that these stations are easy targets. No thanks.

Angostura

What ‘cult-like’ love would this be? If you are in a climate emergency it’s worth exploring all energy options and nuclear is one option for helping with baseload. It would be dumb to ignore it.

ViewTrick1002

If it is an emergency why waste money on multiples more expensive nuclear power rather than renewables and storage?

We still need to decarbonize tons of other industries so why waste money on the one we have solved?

Good enough beats imaginary engineer perfect solutions.

zwnow

Just cut off the general public from power for like 1/6th of the day instead of going for unsafe solutions. Considering the amount of bullshit we power nowadays we can surely live without power for some hours of the day until we find better solutions.

exe34

this pearl clutching is basically why we don't have breeder reactors making use of all this "waste".

Philip-J-Fry

Producing power by the mid 2030s? Isn't the entire point of SMRs that they are effectively a complete package and it takes very little effort to ship them out and getting them to produce power. Or is this just a pipe-dream we were sold?

Like, I imagined these things being compact enough to be shipped to the outskirts of towns and producing power. Afterall, they are from the same technology that was powering nuclear subs, right?

topspin

This Rolls Royce design isn't all that "small." A RR "SMR" is a 470MWe PWR. About half the size of a typical PWR reactor. It's a rather conventional design, low enriched fuel, no exotic coolants. There is a paper on it at NRC[1]. And they've never built one, so if they get it running by the 2030's they'll be doing pretty well for a Western company.

[1] https://www.nrc.gov/docs/ML2521/ML25212A115.pdf

masklinn

> Isn't the entire point of SMRs that they are effectively a complete package and it takes very little effort to ship them out and getting them to produce power.

That's the point if / when we have actually working SMRs, with production lines set up. But the limited development of small civilian reactors before the 80s and the 3 decades freeze on most things nuclear means SMRs are only just getting out of research status (e.g. in the US only NuScale's VOYGR are currently certified).

thyristan

The reactor is still to be developed by Rolls Royce, which is hidden in mid article. The don't have plans, not even a working prototype yet, so expect delays to at least the mid 2040s.

jorisboris

I believe the more technologically advanced we live the more energy we will use. Travel requires energy, ai models require energy, healthy food requires energy

The cheaper and more abundant we can make electricity, the faster we can reap the benefits of new technology

imo nuclear is an important part to have abundant energy at all times

londons_explore

Nuclear is an industry that strangled itself with red tape and harmful PR, making every project fiendishly expensive and take so many decades that cost-of-capital costs are insane.

I don't think it will ever again beat solar+wind+battery for grid scale carbon-free power pricing.

michaelt

> I don't think it will ever again beat solar+wind+battery for grid scale carbon-free power pricing.

The problem the UK has is their climate: Northerly enough that solar makes 5x as much power in the summer as it does in the winter, and much more demand for heating in the winter than cooling in the summer.

Batteries are fine for storing solar in the day and using it at night - but much less good for summer-to-winter storage. And the UK isn't exactly eager to start flooding desolate valleys for pumped storage reservoirs either.

Oh, and they don't just need to decarbonise their existing electricity output - they also need to greatly increase their electricity output to hit their goals on EV and heat pump adoption; and they need to lower electricity prices too.

I can see why they'd hedge their bets.

Tabular-Iceberg

This was my impression as well, both watching Smarter Every Day and visiting a nuclear power plant myself and taking the tour.

Yes, safety is important, but I think they're far into diminishing returns territory, and we have to take the penalty in both energy cost and security.

longor1996

Wasn't all that bad PR mostly caused by the coal/oil industry, doing some serious astroturfing for a decade or so?

toyg

If by "the coal industry" you mean people in charge of Chernobyl and Fukushima...

Angostura

And Windscale (now Sellafield) and Three Mile Island

lysace

See also: Gazprom, Gerhard Schröder (”Putin’s man in Germany” according to NYT) and the German nuclear power shutdown.

https://atomicinsights.com/gazprom-profiting-mightily-from-g...

Oras

Hopefully not another HS2

Archelaos

Horrible news. The next 50.000 generations will have to pay for this. Will this madness never stop?

Tabular-Iceberg

Paying for a few security guards to sit next to the dry casks and point out that you'd better not crack them open and snort the contents for 50,000 generations will be peanuts compared to all the other expenses associated with keeping a society going for 50,000 generations.

roenxi

If a generation is ~20 years then 50,000 generations is around a million years. We're talking several times longer than recorded history. In fact, I was curious and looked it up - Homo Sapiens is estimated to be around 300,000 years old [0]. We should be so lucky if there are humans around in 50,000 generations. Just by nature of the amount of stuff that happens, if they have any conception of what the UK was or any idea what happened there then there has been some sort of transcendental enlightenment where there are no longer limits on how many memories a human can retain.

In short, I think you are exaggerating the downsides of maybe a potential 10x cost blowout on the budget of a government project and a trivial amount of waste disposal.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human#Evolution

Angostura

You’re talking about the unhindered release of CO2 into the atmosphere, I assume

irthomasthomas

Anglesey is beautiful[0]. My ancestors came from there and I used to holiday there as a child. Today it is blighted by ugly and noisy turbines[1]. I am in favor of this if it reduces the number of on-shore turbines on the island.

0 https://www.celtictrailswalkingholidays.co.uk/wp-content/upl...

1 https://i2-prod.walesonline.co.uk/article21841043.ece/ALTERN...