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Türkiye will not sell rare earth elements to the USA

tokai

Both this article and its source are misrepresenting the actual quote. Its seems to be about rumors that rare earth minerals are being sold now.

>Responding to the allegations that 'rare earth elements are sold to the USA', Bayraktar said that there is absolutely no such thing. Bayraktar said, "The agreement we made and signed in America was also a nuclear-related agreement. If we had done it about rare earth elements, be sure, they would have declared it too, we would have declared it," he said.

mrtksn

Yep, this is about local politics. It is customary in Turkish politics to discover vast natural resources from time to time and promise that good times are ahead if you vote for Erdogan one more time(this field was discovered months before the 2023 elections).

They are often exaggerated, although resources exist. There's a meme from the previous election cycle about a pro-Erdogan TV personality celebrating the natural gas reserves discovered before elections instructing citizens to open the windows and run the boilers even if its a hot day because Turkey is now a natural gas boss.

The Turkish state isn't shy from selling access to these resources to foreign companies but this often leads to scandals and environmental disasters. Last year SSR mining, a Canadian company, had a huge mine collapse. Also, there are issues about cutting down forests to access mines that creates a lot of trouble for the government as it leads to widespread protests.

So what's the minister is actually saying is that Don't worry we are not going to sell it to foreign companies that will ruin the environment this time in response to rumours that they are going to sell it. But in Turkey, nobody remembers anything so anything can happen.

miroljub

Off-Topic: Why Türkiye? Why not keep using Turkey in English?

I know they changed their name to Türkiye, but why would we change it in our languages? We still use Germany instead of Deutschland, India instead of Bharat, and Italy instead of Italia.

So why make an exception for Turkey?

argestes

Yeah, I'm from Turkey and it's really annoying for me to use a keyboard shortcuts to select "Türkiye" from dropdowns using year old "T", "U", "R" keys. Now in some websites it's "Turkey" and in some websites it's "Türkiye" I need to switch keyboard layouts just to select my country name.

Even though, website doesn't let me use my actual name since my name has non ascii characters so I need to try many times.

danhau

This reminds me of my own struggles in locating my country in various dropdowns. Sometimes it‘s the trivial to find Austria, but sometimes Österreich under O and other times Österreich under Ö (sorted to the very bottom). Collation is fun!

sigio

I feel your pain, looking at 'The Netherlands', 'Netherlands/Nederland', Holland, and even once 'Kingdom of The Netherlands'

jones89176

"Following an official letter submitted to the United Nations by the Republic of Türkiye, the country's name has been officially changed to Türkiye at the UN.

UN spokesman Stephane Dujarric said that a letter had been received on June 1 from the Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlüt Cavuşoğlu addressed to Secretary-General Antonio Guterres, requesting the use of “Türkiye” instead of “Turkey” for all affairs." [1]

"Foreign Minister Cavuşoğlu said in a tweet that the move would "increase our country's brand value".

The country’s English language public broadcaster TRT World said, the move would help to disassociate the country’s image from the large bird of the same name."[2]

[1] https://turkiye.un.org/en/184798-turkeys-name-changed-t%C3%B... [2] https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/turkey-or-turkiye-why-th...

beardyw

> help to disassociate the country’s image from the large bird of the same name.

So easily done - what? You are going to roast a whole country? You are going on holiday in huge bird?

theturtle

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umanwizard

So what? The UN does not have the power to redefine what words mean in the English language, and neither does the Republic of Turkey. If Germany submitted an official letter somewhere purporting to change its English name to Deutschland, you should also not listen to them.

happytoexplain

Why the hostility? It's not like they changed the name of the Black Sea to the Sea of Turkey. It's not a "fuck you" move. Just keep spelling it the old way if you care for some reason.

miroljub

Exactly my point. And it doesn't apply only to English. There are 200+ languages and 8+ billion people in the world, and none of them is obliged to change the way they talk because someone doesn't like what a specific word means in one of those languages.

ozgung

As a Turkish person I used to agree with you. Not anymore. My people don't want to be associated with an ugly bird and I respect that. Also we don't want an exception. We're ready to use Bharat, Deutschland or any other name in our language if those nations want that. Same for the city names. It's about respecting those countries and their people.

Fun fact: India is Hindistan in Turkish which literally means Land of Turkeys. Maybe we should really change. Bharat means spice which is a better name.

redwood

It's a great bird.. in fact Benjamin Franklin proposed that it be the American bird. The bald eagle was chosen for whatever reason over that

rafram

India's main official name is India. Bharat (from Sanskrit) is coequal according to the constitution, and Hindustan (from Persian) is also sometimes used.

umanwizard

That's mostly because English is one of the two official languages of India, and even the local native languages (at least as spoken by the English-educated middle class) are heavily influenced by English. Similar to how the Philippines are just called the Philippines (or Pilipinas, the closest approximation that is pronounceable in Tagalog), rather than a native-language name.

OutOfHere

Turkiye is okay but Türkiye is not (in English).

xg15

Not sure if it's a trend already that some countries are trying to exert more control over their own names, but I noticed the same with Belarus a few years ago. It used to be called "White Russia" in german, but at some point, the name vanished from both press articles and official publications and was replaced with Belarus. According to Wikipedia, there was a german government decision to change the official usage of the name, co-initiated by the Belarusian government. (This was before the war, so I assume the relations weren't yet as icy as they are today)

https://dgo-online.org/informieren/aktuelles/belarusisch-deu...

https://web.archive.org/web/20210924060241/https://geschicht... (in German)

miroljub

Which is kind of funny, since Belarus means exactly Whiterussia.

Yizahi

Funnily, the actual pronunciation is easier now, and it (to me) sounds 99% close to Turkia. I don't get why they went with such complicated letter sequence for such a straightforward word. Though both languages are not native to me, so I may be wrong. But I was baffled this year, after discovering that incomprehensible Türkiye is actually Turkia.

PS: I'm going from this this video as a basis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYjVIaZA14c

jstummbillig

Do we?

https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?geo=US&q=T%C3%BCrki... (US)

https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=T%C3%BCrkiye,Turk... (global)

Some noise in the global trend recently (any guesses?) but does not seem like a huge adjustment.

m101

It's because Erdogan is in charge and he's throwing his weight around because he knows he holds the cards on a number of geopolitical issues.

rayiner

We're laying the groundwork to globally search/replace "India" to "Bharat."

Hemospectrum

Looking forward to my next long flight where I can watch movies about Bharatna Jones.

StephenSmith

Every country has rare earth elements. Just google "X discovers rare earth" where X is your country of choice and you'll find articles about how they have huge deposits. The underlying problem is the processing. China has figured this out and has cornered the market. Until other countries figure out how to process these materials, China will be able to leverage this capability to their advantage.

maxglute

Not every country has economically extractable heavy rare earths, resource =/= reserve. X discovers rare earth is the same as X discovers plants, and then assume every country can build a robust biofuel economy. Reminder PRC has the MOST shale deposits in the world, they're just buried very deep and economically AND technically not productive to extract at scale.

PRC's main choke hold is HeavyREE, more specifically processing of ionic clays that is GEOGRAPHICALLY SCARCE like economically extractable oil deposits, which enables economic leeching of heavy strategic rare earth AT SCALE. Think hunting whales for blubber vs drilling oil, supports entirely different tiers of proliferation and use. At scale is key, west never used HREEs at scale until PRC commoditized them by exploiting specific geology mostly limited to south PRC, Myanmar, parts of Brazil but deposits now also found in Australia because Australia has everything. So the real question is can long will it take AU+co to discover and build the entire HREE infra based on deposit types only PRC has real experience with.

big-and-small

It's have nothing to do with "figuring it out". Both mining and processing been figured out decades ago. But rare earth mining is disaster for ecology and western countries just don't want to pay the tall and deal with political consequences. Countries like China and Russia have advantage the they can do whatever they want without caring about protests or long term effects on population of regions where mining occurs.

There quite few talks on the topic, but you can check this one by Dr. Julie Klinger of University of Delaware:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGQeXrkCqM0

liaoliao2

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speedylight

If they don’t even have the refining infrastructure built yet what do they have to offer the US ( or any other nation) that we can’t get from China? Rare Earth isn’t actually rare, what’s rare is the ability to refine it into pure elements.

johnrgrace

The us has tons of rare earth ores, it's the refining the US lacks mostly because it's a nasty process that creates a lot of toxic waste.

euroderf

Forever playing both sides of the fence.

liaoliao2

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BeFlatXIII

…and we (USA) didn't give the Kurds their deserved autonomous nation as thanks for their help in Iraq to avoid pissing off the Turks.

husav1k

Is the land yours to give?

shigawire

Seems like this is talking about not allowing the US to own the deposits or processing - as opposed to not selling the output to the US?

Anyone know if that is correct?

arctics

as stated many times before, rare earth mining isn't a major issue, capacity to process into something useful which requires tons of water and toxic chemicals is the real issue for the US since China controls lion's share of the market.

stackedinserter

At the same time, Canada pushes their extraction project https://www.mining-technology.com/news/canada-fast-track-cri...

OutOfHere

In the English language, we need to stop spelling Turkiye as Türkiye. Note that I did not revert to the old spelling of Turkey. English does not have ü as a character. We spell all other countries using the A-Za-z character set, and no exception should be made for Turkiye. It doesn't matter how they want it spelled. If tomorrow they want it spelled Ṫüřḳïýe or Ĵăƥȃn̈ or Ǥëŗṁāņẙ, we should not have to oblige.

suddenlybananas

It's unrelated, but this spelling of Turkey makes me irrationally angry. I don't see why I should be expected to change my language to suit the whims of nationalists when they don't call Greece "Ellada" or Armenia "Hayastan" in Turkish.

engcoach

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phailhaus

NATO is a defensive alliance, not a trade organization.

engcoach

Correct, and this is the latest in a serious of decisions made by Türkiye which imperil NATO's collective defense.

Rare earths are vital for military equipment. This action is coming from a country that NATO has trusted with its best technology and they continue to flirt with both Russia and China, NATO's primary threats.

Do you see how my comment is about the impact on NATO's ability to wage war? What if Türkiye begins sharing military secrets with China? They are working with China on the mine referenced in the article. They are not trustworthy.

mrs6969

I can only laugh at this statement. There are way many events where usa did act like an not trustworthy. Maybe you should start asking questions like “why my allies seeking external alliances, am I doing something wrong”

stackedinserter

Apparently, rare metals are becoming critical for defence industry.

notepad0x90

what's left of it after it's dismantlement you mean? it isn't much of an alliance now. and if it is going to be used to twist arms in trade disagreements, it is already dead.

engcoach

While it has its challenges, it is not dead.

cinntaile

He didn't say that either. He said that if you start to tie trade deals to nato membership, like you are suggesting, that it's dead.

jasonlotito

You want to kick them out of NATO because the USA and Turkey currently do not have a trade agreement on rare earth elements? Because that's what you are claiming.

bpodgursky

Türkiye is a highly effective arms manufacturer and is pretty aligned with NATO most of the time. They've been one of the more surprisingly strong supporters of Ukraine. They shot down a Russian jet a few years ago just to emphasize FAFO.

Yes they have their specific regional interests they will emphasize even when they offend NATO sensibilities, like giving Armenia the finger in their war with Azerbaijan, but that is not a major cost compared to what they give the US and EU strategically.

lukan

"when they offend NATO sensibilities, like giving Armenia the finger in their war"

Or when they support islamists in Syria against the kurds and annect illegally parts of it. Who cares about those things nowdays anyway.

But if we want NATO to not just be a military force, but something something freedom and human rights, maybe we should care more about it.

Maken

Who has ever wanted that?

bpodgursky

Yes, this is what I mean. Should the US sacrifice the security of Europe to make a (pointless) statement about Syrian internal politics? Frankly, it's unreasonable for Turkey to not have an opinion about the PKK. If there was a comparable terror group in Mexico, the US would absolutely be doing airstrikes!

Punishing Turkey over this will accomplish nothing and sabotage the relationship. The US already had a reasonable plan in Syria, supporting the non-PKK elements while maneuvering towards a political reunification.

braincat31415

FAFO? Yet another moronic acronym of the day. Jeez...

bpodgursky

This is a perfectly reasonable acronym to describe how Russia violates their neighbors' airspace just to push boundaries and be irritating.

bobxmax

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