Belittled Magazine: Thirty years after the Sokal affair
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·October 25, 2025xoz123
Blown away by this article, thank you. I hadn't thought of the Sokal affair in ages but I remember when it happened and how gleeful everyone was in making fun of the journal at the time. To think that the author and journal co-editor at the time would wind up working together as early advocates for Palenstinian rights is an incredible plot twist.
appreciatorBus
Is it that much of a plot twist? It’s possible for more than one thing to be true at once – that postmodernist nonsense deserves to be mocked and belittled, and that Palestinians deserve rights.
photonthug
Not OP, but I think the plot twist is, maybe we need to be able to entertain "obviously absurd" ideas to be able to land on a correct position if the culture we're inside of is not ready for those ideas yet. (No idea if the journal was really that early on this particular position though)
Crucially, entertaining ideas isn't the same as believing them, it's about giving them some time and space so you can work out whether it's consistent, rich, useful. Even in math this stuff is hard to get right, just look at the resistance and ridicule that Cantor had to go through, or look at the development of non-Euclidean geometry. And that's a space where proof is actually possible. Critical theory is a real thing but is always walking this fine line between being nonsense or being revolutionary.
nradov
By its very nature, postmodernism can't be correct or incorrect. The most it can do is provide a perspective or method of analysis. Some people might find it interesting or even useful. (Personally I see it as trite intellectual masturbation, but that's just me.)
meowface
It is very, very rare that a fringe or radical ideology that holds fringe views on almost all topics happens to hold a correct and important stance that is also very rare among non-fringe ideologies. Support for Palestinian rights has definitely not been as common as it should have been in the United States, but was still quite common among many non-fringe groups and individuals. You didn't, and don't, need to go to a radical Marxist critical theory publication to be better informed about that topic. I think the author makes an admirable defense of his magazine and shows it was not quite as crazy or worthless as the Sokal affair initially made it out to be, but we don't need to go all the way in the other direction.
Despite Alex Jones watchers all citing it as a great reason to watch him, you don't, and didn't, actually need to watch Alex Jones to learn about Jeffrey Epstein's crimes. Alex Jones was not the person who broke that story or even popularized it - and even if he were to have been, it wouldn't mean he was factually correct about most of it or about anything else.
Sometimes there are brilliant people with fringe, contrarian views or findings that initially get ridiculed and are later found to be correct or valuable. But Cantor was already a respected individual for his past work; he was not some no-name crank mailing theory-of-everything letters to mathematicians. Ramanujan was closer to that, but Ramanujans are so incredibly rare that you really need to be extremely cautious. And math is unlike almost every other field, where fringe claims can generally be objectively and independently confirmed or refuted, so you need to be far more cautious about nearly every other field out there.
However, I agree with your point that at the very least all sides should be initially heard out. Just not necessarily heard for very long.
meowface
I think it's great that they were early advocates for Palestinian rights (I'm a liberal capitalist and dislike Marxism but have always been very sympathetic to the Palestinians and their cause), but, as this article states, this is a Marxist magazine. For a very long time, Marxists have been on this side. Don't see why it would be a twist.
ashanoko
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ilamont
From the intro to the original paper:
But deep conceptual shifts within twentieth-century science have undermined this Cartesian-Newtonian metaphysics; revisionist studies in the history and philosophy of science have cast further doubt on its credibility; and, most recently, feminist and poststructuralist critiques have demystified the substantive content of mainstream Western scientific practice, revealing the ideology of domination concealed behind the façade of ``objectivity''. It has thus become increasingly apparent that physical ``reality'', no less than social ``reality'', is at bottom a social and linguistic construct; that scientific ``knowledge", far from being objective, reflects and encodes the dominant ideologies and power relations of the culture that produced it; that the truth claims of science are inherently theory-laden and self-referential; and consequently, that the discourse of the scientific community, for all its undeniable value, cannot assert a privileged epistemological status with respect to counter-hegemonic narratives emanating from dissident or marginalized communities. These themes can be traced, despite some differences of emphasis, in Aronowitz's analysis of the cultural fabric that produced quantum mechanics; in Ross' discussion of oppositional discourses in post-quantum science; in Irigaray's and Hayles' exegeses of gender encoding in fluid mechanics; and in Harding's comprehensive critique of the gender ideology underlying the natural sciences in general and physics in particular.
https://physics.nyu.edu/faculty/sokal/transgress_v2/transgre...
And the reveal, including a brief discussion of the “ethical issues involved in my rather unorthodox experiment”: https://physics.nyu.edu/faculty/sokal/lingua_franca_v4/lingu...
PlunderBunny
From the concluding paragraphs of the latter document:
“Why should the right wing be allowed to monopolize the intellectual high ground?”
Wow, how times have changed.
ylabidi
And on the heels of the Sokal affair, came the Bogdanov Scandal, which at the time, some physicist thought was an elaborate pay-back prank and as it turned out, 2 Phd theses, one in Mathematics and the other in Physics made it through the system even if with the lowest grades (University of Nancy, France), where the content of both theses is utter nonsense, and yet peer pressure, and complascency made it so that something that fails even the lowest standards of consideration for a graduate research (in the context of Sokal's affair it would have been a masterful pay-back) was actually legitimate. Kind of a sobering story in these strange times.
jfengel
Wow, they really showed the editors of Social Text. Somebody remind me of their names?
All of the readers of Social Text were really embarrassed. Or at least, I'm sure they were. I never actually met one.
photonthug
There's some interesting stuff in here if you can tolerate the meandering and the way-back-when. Like you'd expect from po-mo wonks, everything's gotta be infinitely subtle and infinitely contextualized. So no big mea-culpa and no big defensive denial either. All of that's been hashed and rehashed many times already I guess. You'll find some self-deprecating humor, some spots with surprising self-awareness, some with a surprising lack of it. The main fresh thing is how they'd like to try and compare/contrast/contextualize it in this moment. For example:
> Being a gatekeeper by maintaining high intellectual standards is not what public opinion would associate with Social Text, to say the least. Yet that is what the journal practiced, mainly. And it is a practice worth defending, however elitist it might look. All the more so because of how the Trump administration has weaponized both the idea of the hoax and the program of anti-elitism. [..] We know what has befallen intellectual standards. [..] Is this ChatGPT, or is it Orwell’s doublethink?
Well ok, there's a conversation to be had about these things! This is not the time to pontificate though, it's the time for sweet revenge. There's never been a better time for po-mo wonks to lean on AI slop and blast physics journals with fake stuff about gravity until someone understaffed falls for the trick. Then you can do a big scandalous reveal about how you can't believe you got away it ;)
BryantD
Oh, we’ve long since seen that revenge: see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scholarly_publishing_s... for many examples, including quite a few in the sciences.
I have come to think of the Sokal hoax as an early warning sign of our current information crisis. There was an era when high production values signaled information hygiene. The real Apple original sin wasn’t the walled garden, it was the LaserWriter.
bm3719
Sokal was right, of course. He deservedly made fools of a bunch of naked emperors. However, he also influenced a lot of people (myself included) to eschew a whole genre of thinkers for which there was a lot of truly brilliant ideas.
For example, Lacan is given a good spanking by Sokal both in his paper Transgressing the Boundaries and an entire chapter is dedicated to him in Intellectual Impostures. Lacan looks like a complete fool if this is your only exposure to his thought. Again, Sokal is not wrong on his criticisms in these excerpts. Lacan definitely uses mathematical terms incorrectly. He was making an attempt to formalize his field (psychoanalysis) by skimming textbooks/papers on topology, knot theory, and other mathematical subfields and, from the perspective of someone who uses those terms for precise things, rather haphazardly putting them together. His "mathemes" go through many updates throughout his career, getting ever more complex. Later, Lacan almost certainly was suffering from senility (as most of us will by age 80), and got rather obsessed with the fake math side of his own work.
However, if you actually read Lacan, this is a miniscule and often completely ignored side of his work. No Lacanian psychoanalyst is filling their notebooks with fake math formulas and computing what's wrong with your relationship with the objet petit a. They're metaphors, shorthand, or diagrammatic expressions of what he's really saying in the ~10k pages of his massive corpus. Many of us use compsci terms all the time to express things metaphorically (e.g., being out of bandwidth or disk space when we really mean real world time and mental memory). Think about it this way, and Lacan becomes a source of manifest brilliance, as I discovered only way later in life.
All that said, the critical theory and cultural studies space of the 90s was indeed a cesspool, living in the shadow of former intellectual greats. The great flood of mediocre intellects was starting to bear its rotten fruit, but the truly fatal problem was the politicization. Sokal only addressed this some, making surface-level wrongness his focus in some kind of defense of his own field's purity. Politics poisoned critical theory just like it did wherever else a field became subservient to the street-level goals of a political monoculture. Mindless foot soldiers, bleating about race and gender, capable of only bumper-sticker-length thoughts, make poor philosophers, it turns out. That should've been the core of his point, and could've been helpful framing for a countercurrent against it. Leftist intellectuals, or what was left of them, could've cleaned up their own space, and put the people like this article's author in a quiet corner where they belong. (Note how even here, he can't help but get sucked into the immediacy of the left-reactionary political zeitgeist; the spittle being anything but subtextual.) Instead it came to its inevitable, expensive conclusion of having the decolonization of the university from political imperialists done for them by their equally unthinking opponents.
robocat
Someone just posted "Noam Chomsky Slams ŽIžek and Lacan: Empty 'Posturing' (2013)" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45708442
I've tried to listen to ŽIžek, but he sounds like nonsense to me. Like exactly what Sokal was taking the Mick out of.
pas
Can you explain a bit what's the reactionary political thing and which parts show that that the author got sucked into it? Thanks!
bm3719
Say you wanted to teach cultural studies. That necessarily includes politics, so you should talk about it. However, you can teach politics (or even theorize about politics), or you can do politics. I assert you can't do both, at least not in an academic setting.
Note how the author can't help but take sides on every political signifier he references. He supposedly wanted to write about the Sokal affair from his side, but the essay ends up being a polemic deeply in the now, to the degree that the documentary effort is substantively diminished. That's what papers in his field read like in the 1990s, and still do to this day.
aspenmayer
I am by no means an expert, or even especially well-read, but I’ve found Zizek’s percolation of Lacan to be much more accessible to myself as a non-domain expert, and I appreciate how Zizek engages with the audience where they are. Lacan, to my intellect, is hard to grok, as I haven’t put in the time and effort to lay hold of his ideas directly. At times, it feels like with Lacan specifically, and with postmodernism generally, that the obscurantism is the point, which smacks of gatekeeping, but I don’t mind. If I don’t get it, I at least know enough about my own understanding or lack thereof to ask questions of my intellectual betters, which is its own reward.
bm3719
I think Lacan's obscurantism, if you want to call it that, can be thought of one of two ways:
1. He claims to not to want to be understood too quickly. If you believe that, you might say he's forcing the reader (or emerging psychoanalyst) to not just take his ideas as a simple list of facts to be memorized. He often rants about other fields being reductive in the face of necessary nuance. You might also justify this by saying precisely that perspective is necessary in psychoanalysis, with the human mind (particularly the suffering one) in all its unexplored complexity being its target. I'm of two minds on this: I see his point, but there are certainly times when such is an obstacle. Of course, that's if you believe him in the first place. He also said he was something of the master, and his audience the acolytes. He was trying to build a new school under his system, after all.
2. Lacan's ideas are indeed complex and extremely tightly interconnected (or polyvalent, as he likes to say). The graph of Lacanian thought has a lot of nodes (ideas), and an extremely high number of edges (relationships between ideas) per node, and thus very high graph density. If you think about it from that perspective, how does one present such a oeuvre in the linear form like essays or speeches? Further complexifying things is that he was building this in situ, his Seminars being akin to live-blogging that development. He often asks his audience if there's an expert on a particular topic and if so, to let him know about some detail. He never wrote a comprehensive final form of Lacanian thought, so any secondary texts you read will be that author's interpretation. All this creates quite the conundrum for anyone getting started.
If you want condensed info and clarity, go for a secondary source (Bruce Fink being my favorite), while noting the above. I'd also say that, like Hegel, Lacan has something of a language of his own, one you can learn. If you find his ideas compelling (I do, and have benefited from them in my personal life greatly) you should still read him as a primary source. Even if you do the actual learning via other sources, I'd assert that Lacan is one of the last of the true Renaissance men, pulling in ideas from everywhere and everywhen, and I also find reading him an expanding experience just from that perspective.
aspenmayer
I don’t read German, or French very well for that matter, so going to the sources is a bit of a linguistic barrier to my own self-directed learning, but that’s no excuse not to learn. I also have found both Lacan and Hegel to be a rich source of food for thought, so I appreciate others who have been steeped in their ideas, as you have, so that their knowledge graph can adjoin my own, at least in small ways.
I appreciate the mention of Bruce Fink, as his name is new to me. Any works of his or others you might recommend to me would be duly noted.
appreciatorBus
The fact that someone can perform gatekeeping, even if they cover it up with a five syllable word,, is not evidence that they are your intellectual better.
aspenmayer
That wasn’t my implication, but I apologize if I was unclear. My point was that those who appear to know something I don’t might be charlatans, but discernment on my part requires effort on my part, even if it turns out to be wasted. The adage that a stopped clock may be right twice a day implies that it might not be right at all, and it’s on me to know what time it is, and to catch where catch can.
astrange
Lacan was also abusive to his students and clients, charged them incredible amounts of money, and eventually his psychiatry sessions devolved into being about five minutes long.
He was basically a cult leader. There seemed to be something going on where people are infinitely forgiving of French intellectuals (and other continental philosophers) because they are the most skilled people in the world at having infinitely complicated writing styles.
Other episodes in this series include "Althusser kills his wife and communists keep admiringly quoting him", "every 70s French intellectual signs an open letter endorsing pedophilia", and "every department at Cambridge endorses giving Derrida an honorary philosophy degree /except/ the philosophers".
bm3719
This stuff is all true. Lacan also had a habit of permanently "borrowing" people's collectible books, charging Felix Guattari to drive Lacan home, sleeping with his female clients, and many, many other despicable things. He was, by all accounts, a complete scumbag.
I still read him because his ideas are brilliant and helped me in innumerable ways. He's dead now and his books can't hurt me. They're not even ideological, so you can't make the same case as you could for avoiding, say, a certain Austrian political theorist. However, if we somehow resurrect Lacan, I won't be lending him any first editions from my collection.
astrange
> He's dead now and his books can't hurt me. They're not even ideological, so you can't make the same case as you could for avoiding, say, a certain Austrian political theorist.
If only you hadn't put "political" there I was going to think of a joke about Wittgenstein. Who was possibly the grumpiest Austrian in the world at the time, even considering the other one.
TychoCelchuuu
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One reason Sokal’s article stirred up such a fuss was that, when it was published in 1996, people still largely depended on edited, gatekept outlets for their reading and viewing. Although not mainstream media, Social Text was still selective about what it published, and the fact that its editors had chosen to publish Sokal’s hoax was a key point in the controversy. It would be a few more years before raw, self-published writing on the Internet would start to reach as many people as it does now.