Tiny sugar spoons are popping up on NYC fast-food menus

It's meant to be 'as prepared' but as the above notes there's trickiness in certain brands claiming "our guidelines say to prepare it with skim milk" while everyone adds ice cream.

Still while no system is perfect and there's a need to call out brands that claim it's prepared with skim milk when it's clearly not i still think it's pretty damn great.

I think they mean they find the allowances before you get warned about sugar shockingly high.

I distinctly remember having my mind blown by fast food drink sizes when I visited the US. A "small" there felt like what we would call "large" here in Russia. Our small soda is usually 300 ml at most.

My immediate thought while reading the article was both "What counts as 'added' sugar?" and "Who is making this 'daily recommended amount of added sugars'?"

Of course, all of this information is already available via nutrition facts for most sold foods.

The root problem here doesn't seem to be the availability of information, I expect it to be more about the availability of time and effort to spend on priority of personal health. I don't think the issue is that people don't know that food isn't bad for them, it's that their health is lower priority than their immediate needs of feeding themselves and their families.

If anything, as you point out, this seems to be a better way for food manufacturers to bend the rules to avoid the logo and make something seem healthier than it is rather than giving more information to consumers. The _fact_ (X Grams of Sugar) is on the package but the logo indicates that the food contains more than x grams of "recommended" "added" sugars, two things that can be misunderstood and/or gamed.

In the UK there is a "sugar tax" on soft drinks: https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainer/sugar-ta...

The stats say it has greatly decreased sugar consumption in soft drinks. From my point-of-view (someone who rarely drinks soft drinks) it seems that most soft drinks now mix artificial sweeteners and sugar, so effectively all soft drinks are now "diet" varieties.

Sizes tend to be a lot smaller. One poster above said a large soda in the USA is almost one litre! In the UK it's roughly half that size at 500ml.

As the sugar level is directly proportionate to the overall volume, it can be quite surprising how much sugar there is when you aren't used to such massive servings.

Olipop might have pretty high distribution, I see them in normal supermarkets and places like Target and Costco now. I don't live in either of the places you mention.

However, Olipop has sugar alcohols as a sweetener, which give me gastrointestinal distress after only two cans. Soiling yourself is a good disincentive for drinking a lot of soda.

Ehh those are a crutch, I'm talking zero sugar at all. It doesn't have to be bougie or artisanal, just a good variety of tea at affordable prices would be a good start. Making it "fancy" and expensive just defeats the purpose.

The good thing is, if your palate has gotten used to unsweetened beverages, you can easily tell when bread or a sauce has sugar in it when it shouldn't. Or maybe I'm weirdly sensitive to sugar, I dunno.

At my healthiest weight used to get a quad espresso and an artisinal creme filled donut each morning at one point.

It got eyebrows, but it was also a third of the calories of a large Starbucks caffinated milkshake (and that's what they are -- addictive milkshakes).

Less liquid, less piss, more code, I'm surprised more hackers don't seek out quality espresso instead of these weird XTREME energy drinks.

Anyways yes, a donut is about 500 calories, a big soda or coffee with fillings is much much more.

thats because the "ier" is doing a LOT of heavy lifting. getting fat from all that sugar is the least of your concerns. it also ages you rapidly and makes you more likely to have ongoing systemic inflammation. I'm back in the states for the last two weeks and the difference between people here and when I was aboard is jarring.

Well, come on. Have you tasted coffee? There's a reason its commercial form is all sugar and no coffee.

I personally think it's gross the idea of licking something then setting it aside to lick it again later without washing it, but maybe you do wash it. Also maybe way too salty.

How is this onerous? You update the website your QR code points to. It's not like you have to print up new menus. If you still have menus, just print up a sheet of stickers that you smash onto the menu. Malicious compliance can be used

I could see how it might be helpful when people compare meals. For example, maybe a hamburger doesn't have added sugars, but a salad does (because the dressing is so sweet). A customer might order the burger instead, or order the salad but swap to a different dressing.

There have been some restaurant foods that I knew weren't healthy but didn't realize how unhealthy they were until I looked at recipes for how to make them myself.