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Thieves steal crown jewels in 4 minutes from Louvre Museum

araes

None of these stories seem to actually have the items stolen. Most keep implying it was the three diamonds: Regent, Sancy, and Hortensia.

However, Sky News has an actual list. [1]

[1] https://news.sky.com/story/louvre-museum-in-paris-closed-aft...

Stolen and not retrieved

  • Tiara from the set of Queen Marie-Amelie and Queen Hortense (img in article)[1]
  • Necklace from the sapphire set of Queen Marie-Amelie and Queen Hortense (img in article)[1]
  • Earring, from the pair belonging to the sapphire set of Queen Marie-Amelie and Queen Hortense (img in article)[1]
  • Emerald necklace from the Empress Marie Louise set (img in article)[1]
  • Pair of emerald earrings from the Empress Marie Louise set (img in article)[1]
  • Brooch known as the "reliquary brooch" (img)[2]
  • Tiara of Empress Eugenie (also referred to as a "diadem") (img)[3]
  • Large corsage bow brooch of Empress Eugenie. (img in article)[1]
Stolen and found outside, broken

  • Crown of Napoleon III's wife, Empress Eugenie (img)[4]
[2] https://thefrenchjewelrypost.com/content/uploads/2016/09/san...

[3] https://thefrenchjewelrypost.com/content/uploads/2016/09/san...

[4] https://thefrenchjewelrypost.com/content/uploads/2016/09/san...

EDIT: AP article appears to have been updated (at time of edit 8:25 PM GMT). Now lists items. Original comment was written ~7:00 PM GMT.

hexbin010

Trust the Brits to list in excruciating detail exactly how the French messed up!

master_crab

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mmooss

That's wrong, at least as of now: The AP story in the current OP lists them.

araes

Acknowledged. Saw the change on AP and made an edit. Original comment was written an hour or two ago.

xtiansimon

Red team strikes again.

homarp

"Eight objects were taken, according to officials: a sapphire diadem, necklace and single earring from a matching set linked to 19th-century French queens Marie-Amélie and Hortense; an emerald necklace and earrings from the matching set of Empress Marie-Louise, Napoleon Bonaparte’s second wife; a reliquary brooch; Empress Eugénie’s diadem; and her large corsage-bow brooch — a prized 19th-century imperial ensemble."

Waterluvian

> It also collides with a deeper tension the Louvre has struggled to resolve: swelling crowds and stretched staff. The museum delayed opening during a June staff walkout over overcrowding and chronic understaffing.

Raise ticket prices until you can afford more staff or don’t need more staff?

blackoil

Or create a separate museum for Monalisa and few top exhibits for tourists interested only in them.

philistine

They're already working on doing exactly that. The construction work that the thieves hid with is to restore all the previous doors of the museum so they can start being used as entrances again to reduce the strain on the I.M. Pei pyramid, the modern entrance of the Louvre. Coupled with that, they're building the first temporary exhibit space of the museum, with an adjacent permanent exhibit space. That permanent exhibit's subject? Da Vinci and the Mona Lisa, with a special ticket to visit only that already in the plans.

In 10 years, bus full of tourists will go straight to the pyramid, then straight to the Da Vinci exhibit, take their goddamn selfie, and leave. The rest of the visitors will mostly enter through the historical entrances and never interact with those throngs of Mona Lisa lookie loos.

The Louvre is doing exactly what makes the most sense; they're not stupid, they're just not very fast, as is usual for a museum.

bigstrat2003

When I visited the Louvre it was absolutely wild to me how many people were just there for the Mona Lisa. I took a look at it in person because of course I did, but I don't think it was anywhere close to the most interesting piece the museum has on display (I preferred the classical sculptures), nor even the best painting. It seems like such a waste for people to fawn over that one painting and pretty much ignore all the other masterpieces you can see there.

dataflow

> it was absolutely wild to me how many people were just there for the Mona Lisa

> It seems like such a waste for people to fawn over that one painting and pretty much ignore all the other masterpieces you can see there

I think you're making the rather large assumption that everyone is into art in the first place, and thus find it surprising that they would fail to appreciate everything other than the Mona Lisa.

In reality, I suspect a lot of folks just weren't going to go to the museum at all otherwise. They only go to see the Mona Lisa, not because they think it's a particularly magnificent piece of art, but simply because:

(a) they don't want to look silly saying they visited Paris but didn't see the most famous painting in the world there, and/or

(b) the whole world talks about it, and they naturally want to experience whatever it is, to maybe see what all the fuss is about.

Such reasons are pretty natural, and have nothing whatsoever to do with the intrinsic merits of -- or appreciation of -- the Mona Lisa relative to whatever else is there. It could've just been a hole in the wall, and if it had been the most famous thing in the world, it would've prompted a similar reaction.

cguess

The Mona Lisa isn't even the most interesting piece in the room it's shown in.

sema4hacker

I work part-time at an art gallery (not a museum) with 300 pieces from 300 artists, on two floors. The typical visitor walks through, looking but not stopping, often not bothering with upstairs. It's rare for anyone to take more than 20 minutes.

notatoad

basically the story for any popular tourist destination - people go so that they can tell their friends they went, not for the actual experience. and so the most important part of the experience is doing exactly the same thing your friends did, so you can say "i did it too".

alwa

Shh—don’t tell them! Their ticket dollars count the same as yours and mine, and their preferences leave us plenty of breathing room in the sculpture gallery!

jsheard

The funny thing about the Mona Lisa is that the public only became enamoured with it after it was stolen from the Louvre and subsequently recovered, it's more famous for having been stolen than for what it actually is.

bn-l

You don’t understand. ITS FAMOUS!!!!!!

It’s amazing how much fame sort circuits reasoning in the human mind.

marci

It’s already the case.

atmosx

The Louvre understaffed? It's one of the most visited places in the world and would still be, even if the double the ticket price. The "Louvre understaffed" sounds like a management failure more than anything else.

malshe

I don't know how easy it is to increase prices in France but in some places they sell tickets in advance and there are only a limited number of them. Something like movie theaters.

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hdgvhicv

In which case visitor numbers won’t swell

thrance

It's already like that, and it sucks. I remember a time when you could spontaneously decide "I'm going to the museum today!" then go there, wait a bit in line and get in. Now you have to book it weeks in advance, then get in line anyway, or show up without a reservation and be told the museum is full.

pinkmuffinere

Sure, it does suck. But things change, and this is one of those things. The present solution has the Louvre closing without warning because they are short staffed, and that will only become a more frequent problem if they can't find some solution. Would you rather live in a world where you have to plan your visit to the Louvre, or where the Louvre will be randomly closed 5% of the time?

paul7986

Oh interesting we secured tickets in Sept for the winter. It sounds like there's a chance we wont get in...

kakacik

The beauty of not being the center of the universe, or having a passion that almost nobody else has. When it comes to appreciating say the art, I see no issue there.

Your right ends where other's same rights begin and all that.

sorenjan

Yes, let's price out everyone but the rich from seeing art. Let the free market decides who deserves to see culture in real life.

casenmgreen

I may be wrong, but it seems to me pricing everything at its actual correct price is the best way; do not subsidize consumption or production, do not protect producers. All of these things are firstly political footballs and secondly only act to consume wealth inefficiently (which is to say, to mis-allocate resources).

Then work on making everyone as wealthy as possible, by encouraging economic growth, so we have as much personal, individual wealth as possible, and so can buy as much of what we want or need as possible.

zeroonetwothree

The Louvre ticket price is around $18 right now. I think they could stand to increase it a bit without pricing out “everyone but the rich”.

wahnfrieden

The Louvre is a national museum. Access by lottery with affordable ticketing would be more democratic than access by riches over others by pricing out working class visitors.

datadrivenangel

Just do the classic developing country thing and charge non-french people significantly more. 2x the price if you live outside paris, 5x the price if you live outside of France, and 20x the price if you live outside the EU.

orra

Charging EU citizens more than French citizens would be illegal discrimination under EU law. (It might be legal to charge local Parisians less.)

For example see https://brusselssignal.eu/2024/12/ec-demands-end-to-portugal...

Archelaos

From the Web-site of the Louvre:

  Admission is free for the following visitors:
  
  Under 18s
  Proof of ID required.
  
  Under 26 year-old residents of the European Economic Area (EU, Norway, Iceland, and Liechtenstein)
  Proof of ID and residency required.

  All visitors
  On the first Friday of the month after 6 p.m. (except in July and August)
(Source: https://www.louvre.fr/en/visit/hours-admission)

JumpCrisscross

> Access by lottery with affordable ticketing would be more democratic than access by riches over others by pricing out working class visitors

Do both. Lottery tickets the day of. Advance-rate tickets at a premium price. Mix and match with a non-EU premium for both.

catlikesshrimp

I don't know about the Louvre, but national amenities usual charge more to tourists. You can rise tourist fares as much as needed. They aren't poor nationals, and it's their number which is causing problems.

zvr

You cannot have any different pricing for all EU nationals.

littlestymaar

I'm not sure they can legally charge more for other European citizens than French citizens though.

Theodores

The UK's Natural History Museum is quite instructive. No staff anywhere apart from where money gets taken for food and souvenirs. Free entry to hordes and hordes of children with parents and grandparents in tow.

So how do they manage it?

There is ticket booking, which is done in advance or else there is a queue. Once in, you are just following the same walk as everyone else to see the dinosaurs - what else?!? After the dinosaurs have been seen people can tire themselves out seeing some of the rest of the museum, but most don't see a lot else and head for the gift shop before going home.

At the Louvre they have the slight problem that the hordes are there to see that one painting, the one that isn't exactly massive. Everyone knows exactly what it looks like before taking the pilgrimage. Really they should just get rid of it and put it in on a regional tour indefinitely, so as to share the tourist money elsewhere.

Waterluvian

I agree. But not at the cost of the working class workers.

gloryjulio

Exactly. Japan has been raising prices to help to curb the crowded tourism. Such a simple supply/demand solution

tiagod

Keep it up, and you ensure only foreigners and rich people will be able to visit important or desirable things in your own country. I live in Lisbon, and see this happening all the time.

jgrahamc

It's pretty common for museums here (in Lisbon/Portugal) to offer discounted entry to residents. I was just a the MAAT (for example) and I asked for and got the resident discount.

And there's the scheme which allows residents 52 museum entries per year for free: https://www.museusemonumentos.pt/pt/noticia-com/novo-regime-...

gloryjulio

It's tourists tax for the foreigners, it's not for the locals. Maybe Lisbon should consider charge the foreigners to help fund the locals too?

leipert

Crazy how simple and efficient these heists are in their execution. All the heist movies are way too complex and clever. It‘s just smash and run.

Compare also this robbery from 2019 in Dresden: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dresden_Green_Vault_burglary

mmooss

Generally speaking: The simpler something appears on the surface, the more work it requires behind the scenes. Think of designing 'simple' software, from the user perspective.

sorenjan

Swedish has a word for heists where the thieves go in through the ceiling, it's called a "rififikupp", named after the french novel "Du rififi chez les hommes". The latest one became a Netflix mini series (The Helicopter Heist), the most famous one before that was at the modern museum where some Picassos where stolen.

hvb2

They apparently used an angle grinder to open one of the glass boxes that the items were on display in. So not exactly smash and run...

lukan

If they would be efficient, they would not have been caught.

(But maybe they were caught because they were careless afterwards? Selling stolen art is not risk free either)

pdabbadabba

They weren’t caught. (Yet.)

lukan

I meant the Dresden Heist thieves and they were caught.

drittel

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yodon

When it happened in London, the thief was granted a lifetime pension.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UKmonarchs/comments/1dcmb7i/fun_fac...

capitainenemo

Top comment suggests the king was in on it.

karel-3d

I don't want to say it's related - but the juxtaposition of this robbery and French current political situation is kind of funny.

lolive

Wait for the ultrarich to offer a pile of money to improve the museum security. [in exchange of a few special exhibitions organized for/by them. #winWin]

Foobar8568

There are already such exhibitions, when I went there, it was related to dress from designer, although gorgeous to see them in the middle of historical rooms, sometimes I wondered if there were from the era.

Xymist

I feel like you're trying to be sarky with the "#winWin", but genuinely yes. If the tradeoff is that someone gets to feel important and have a plaque put up with their name on it, and something good but expensive happens which otherwise could not, everyone absolutely does win. Even better than taxes because it's a specific goal and consensual on all sides.

netsharc

When the Notre Dame burned down, it became a competition between the billionaires who was going to be the bigger donor.

I think at the rebuilt cathedral, there's a plaque honoring the owners of Louis Vuitton, and I don't know who else...

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temperceve

I am really curious how much these guys can expect to get when this is all done. 10s of millions? 100s ?

haunter

They are probably not selling on the black market but it was an order from a private collector

jacquesm

Gold is up, it's unfortunately that simple. If these aren't found very quickly they'll be melted because there is no way they can be fenced as they are. Fuck these thieves.

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tempestn

I would guess not 100s. The artifacts are priceless in their original form, but most likely in order to sell them they will need to re-cut the stones and melt down the precious metals.

jsheard

Unless the artifacts were stolen-to-order for a client who wants them as-is. It happens, paintings get stolen and it's not like those can be melted down.

russfink

Or stolen for ransom. That might fetch the largest payout of all.

hackingonempty

I see a bunch of comments that it is possible that the thieves were working for a private collector.

Are there really private collectors willing to risk everything for a piece they can never display or even reveal their possession of to anyone else? Have any collectors been caught doing this in the last 50 years?

Seems to strain credulity to me.

sorenjan

Yes, and sometimes they turn up after the original client has passed away. Sometimes the art is bought in good faith, although I don't know how likely that is in this case.

https://www.artrecovery.com/casestudies

djhn

On one hand it sounds like a movie trope. On the other hand, life imitates art and plenty of dictators and billionaires are indistinguishable from cartoon villains.

aborsy

Why are those highly variable historical jewels so badly protected that could be stolen faster than my bicycle?

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sfpotter

Flambeau at it again...

card_zero

I'm pleased that there are still jewel thieves in the 21st century, perhaps even international jewel thieves, but I have misgivings about the reality. What if they're funding something unpleasant? And did they have to take so many jewels? I appreciate that they're not running a charity, but they could have left some for future jewel thieves.

TrnsltLife

Crown jewels stolen. Future jewel thieves most impacted.

kamikazeturtles

What are the economics of stealing historical jewelry?

Their size is probably big enough that any collector could distinguish them from any random jewels.

Who is there to sell to? The best bet is to store it away then let your great grandkids sell it to some Asian billionaire in the future when Europe and Europol no longer have any power and influence.

Fwirt

Sadly the article alludes to the probable destiny of these pieces: being broken down for melt value. The big stones will get recut to hide where they came from. If the thieves are “smart” it’s likely these will never be seen again in their current form. It just so happens that the Crown Jewels pack a lot of gold and precious stones into a convenient and easy-to-steal package. That the historical and cultural value of these far outweighs the material value is of zero concern to thieves looking to make a quick buck.

nradov

If the thieves were only after the melt value then there are easier things to steal. It seems more likely that these particular items were "stolen to order" for a specific private collector.

philistine

That's dumb, but it's the best case scenario that everyone should hope for. If they really are only after street resale of the bare metals and stones, those artifacts are already gone as I write this.

YZF

In Egypt the historical gold bracelet was just melted for its gold value:

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1kw8dwy4dro

Depending on what exactly is this you can find someone to refinish the stones and melt and precious metals. Possibly the stones are not recognizable anyways when taken off. Other than that I assume there is an underground market for these sorts of goods. These thieves seem sophisticated enough to have access to someone who will take this.

Sad.

hexbin010

FTA:

> Recovery may prove difficult. “It’s unlikely these jewels will ever be seen again,” said Tobias Kormind, managing director of 77 Diamonds. “Professional crews often break down and re-cut large, recognizable stones to evade detection, effectively erasing their provenance.”

russfink

Ransom? Or is that too risky?

lukasschwab

Large gems can be broken up and recut for sale. Destroys value (certainly the cultural value) but renders them salable.

lifestyleguru

If your net worth is counted in billions and have hundreds of real estate to hide a collection in.... that might be a caprice within your reach. Looking at WWII, already children will be free to sell the jewelry on auction.

JKCalhoun

Pretty sure there is an underground market for billionaires. I don't doubt they have their private collections that only others in the fold get to view. Bragging rights for the rich and famous?

But also, once a thing is stolen, the market for forgeries of said object explodes. I also may have seen too many mysteries on television though.

rixed

It's explained in the article.

deadbabe

Sometimes I wonder what it must be like to be the kind of woman who is ultimately destined to wear these stolen items at private parties for ultra mega rich people so powerful that no one can do anything about it.

jaccola

I don't think any amount of money would allow you to wear these in public. You'd need some other form of power, maybe a dictator or similar could.