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Marc Benioff: I no longer believe National Guard is needed for SF

tchalla

> Prominent startup investor Ron Conway, who backed companies including Google, Airbnb and Stripe, resigned from the board of the Salesforce Foundation on Thursday. According to the New York Times, Conway told Benioff in an email that their "values were no longer aligned."

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> Opposition to Benioff’s initial suggestion also came from Garry Tan, CEO of startup incubator Y Combinator. He wrote on X that “We don’t need the National Guard,” but he used his post to go after liberal local officials and judges perceived as too lenient.

electric_muse

That was fast! I guess that wasn’t the most profitable position to hold. Fail fast!

nitwit005

He seemed to want free security for his event (he talked about all the extra security he was hiring). I suspect he learned he'd get free protests too.

The San Francisco reddit discussion of this included such lines as "Welp, picking up my frog costume from Temu asap.", and "San Francisco must out gay them": https://www.reddit.com/r/sanfrancisco/comments/1o7mexv/trump...

JCM9

I care less about how they fix the problem and more about that the problem is fixed.

SF has gone dramatically downhill. I remember what it used to be like, a lovely city. Walking around SF now is depressing.

gitonup

It boggles my Detroit-grown mind that so many people claim this about so many thriving cities.

I live in the PNW and regularly visit most of the major cities there and in NorCal. What exactly is more depressing there than any other city of any economic relevance in the nation?

yongjik

Funny, that's how I feel about the USA as a whole. Used to be a nice country.

I might care a little more about how they fix the problem, but only barely. Somebody had better fix the country soon.

saulpw

The end justifies the means, right? Maybe SF should go all Singapore and execute people for pooping on the sidewalk, problem of sidewalk-pooping will soon be solved!

JCM9

Getting downvoted. I’m not thrilled by the idea of deploying the national guard, but folks have had a long time to fix the mess in SF and have failed, badly. It’s not crazy to try something new.

To those saying we never use the military for public security that’s simply false. NYC has had heavily armed national guard deployed as added security at transit hubs since 9/11 and they’re there to this day.

If leaders of cities don’t want others to step in, don’t give people a reason to step in.

tlogan

There’s no way to fix San Francisco right now. If anyone disagrees with a proposed change, they just call it a “Trump policy.”

The sad part is that Trump talked so much nonsense and sh*t that you can find a quote to match almost any idea or policy, so any policy can be branded as his.

ajross

> I care less about how they fix the problem

That's the logic that got Benioff in trouble.

FWIW: people like you have to realize that the Guard is not and has never been a law enforcement apparatus. The policy goal of "sending in the troops" to US cities is not and has never been crime (the metrics for which are getting better and not worse, yes even in SF).

The goal of putting military force in charge of directing civilians on city streets is and has always been giving the President, who commands that military, direct control over city streets. Right now if the white house doesn't like a protest or doesn't want it to happen, there's nothing they can do bureaucratically using their executive power to prevent it. It's a local thing. If the guard is already there waiting for orders, they can.

It sounds like hyperbole, but it's really not: the transparent purpose to this big National Guard kerfuffle is the military suppression of dissent at the direction of the President.

intalentive

Gov. Hochul deployed the National Guard to New York subways last year.

ajross

The governor of New York state has the legal ability to do that. The president of the United States does not (currently). My point is that you need to ask *why* the White House suddenly wants this power that heretofore we've been happy leaving with local governments.

And the answer, very transparently, isn't crime.

g-b-r

I think it's for many more things than suppression of protests

RickJWagner

Please provide a source that suggests Trump has suppressed a protest or something similar.

ajross

Seriously? It was widely reported that he attempted exactly that during the Floyd protests in 2020 (first link I got, but Esper's testimony was reported everywhere, pick your preferred media, or just find and watch the committee hearing):

https://www.npr.org/2022/05/09/1097517470/trump-esper-book-d...

That time it failed because the pentagon leadership and generals stood in unison against it and he backed down. The guardrails have been rejiggered this time and it's only the courts that protect us now.

saubeidl

The problem is massive inequality putting people on the streets, driven by people like Mr. Benioff.

RickJWagner

You are being downvoted, but your post is obviously truthful.

I’ve gone to SF several times over the years for tech conferences. It started out as standard tourist excellence. Then it started rotting. The last year I went to Moscone Center, the afternoon walk back to the nearby hotel was horrific. Druggies lounging around, poop on the sidewalk, conference attendees speed marching through the maze, trying not to make eye contact.

Once back at the hotel, it was nonstop sirens after dark.

Compared to a decade back, it was a nightmare.

Update: Just saw this article, SEMICON West skipped SF and went to Phoenix this year. It was a success.

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/10/17/tech-conference-tha...

SF deserves better, much better.

nis0s

I don’t know about SF, but increased homelessness is related to illegal immigration

https://bfi.uchicago.edu/wp-content/uploads/2025/04/BFI_WP_2...

May be partly related in CA as well

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-01-27/failure-...

lawlessone

I don't think people are downvoting them for their views about the state of SF (I've never been there so i can't comment on its state.).

People took issue with them saying they don't care how it's fixed.

tlogan

Of course.

For anyone who thinks this is just “money talk,” try wearing a “Make America Great” hat in San Francisco.

That’s all I need to say about the sad state of politics here.

amazingman

Wearing a MAGA hat in this specific political moment is a a statement of callousness and overt approval of military and masked goons in our streets.

rufus_foreman

>> Wearing a MAGA hat in this specific political moment is a a statement of callousness and overt approval of military and masked goons in our streets

In other words, it is free speech.

Should free speech be met with violence?

amazingman

I've seen people wearing MAGA hats in SF, and they're never assaulted. Their speech is not infringed or suppressed. At "worst" they are sometimes met with more free speech coming in the form of opinions about their choices. Is this what you're complaining about?

tlogan

> Should free speech be met with violence?

Free speech is overrated. We, the intellectuals, must make sure everyone is properly educated and understands that their thinking is dangerous to progress and humanity.

bpodgursky

Truly generous of Benioff to nuke downtown SF with Prop C, and then propose sending in the military to fix the problem he created.

AnimalMuppet

It was never needed. (The FBI and the US Marshalls, who are actually trained for law enforcement? OK, you could perhaps make a case. The National Guard? After an earthquake, sure, but not before then.)

Yeul

If I was a police detective in the US I would be pretty angry at the notion of a bunch of rural weekend warriors taking over my job.

I mean if it was this easy why was the police created at all? We've always had soldiers.

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29athrowaway

After reading that for the first time I created a greasemonkey script that replaces "Marc Benioff" with "man responsible for the largest phallic structure in western US" so that I don't have to read his name again.

nocoiner

Reminds me of the plugin I used to have that replaced every instance of “millennials” with “snake people” and every instance of “Great Recession” with “Time of Shedding and Cold Rocks.”

jleyank

I guess that egg's a bear to scrape off, particularly if it gets into the hairs and bristles. The cocoon of these techbros must be pretty thick, or they pay for their money with sense?

add-sub-mul-div

The best I can gather quickly is that this guy was a Democrat donor in the 2010s, then turned into a Trumper more recently, and now he's walking back the Trumping due to backlash? Am I reading it correctly that he's just empty/beliefless and sucks up to whoever has more power at a given time?

xbar

Do you remember his Dalai Lama billboard?

I'm certain it was sincere reverence.

netsharc

Seems like the lack of values and "flexibility" is what's required to be a billionaire. Remember who was at the front row of Trump's Inauguration II? Musk, Bezos, Zuck...

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He's never been a 'Trumper', at least not publicly. He got into a very public spat with the Harris campaign over failed attempts to set up an interview in his role as the owner of Time magazine, and seems to have soured on the Dem Party establishment since.

schmichael

> Benioff said he “avidly supported President Trump”

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/124475145.cms

add-sub-mul-div

Wow I guess David is no longer the worst Benioff, for fucking up Game of Thrones.

saubeidl

So another oligarch who got his ego hurt and lashed out and started associating with the far-right, just like the rest of them.

exasperaited

Something, finally, is shifting. It’ll be six months before any of the administration-aligned opportunistic techbro CEOs speak out, but they know where their employees will be tomorrow.

Yeul

The trade war with China could be a turning point.

Right now the Chinese are still relying on US tech but what happens if they actually manage to become self sufficient? What if those data centres at the Tibetan Plateau no longer needs Nvidia?

Gigachad

It’s already happening. For most tech products, it’s not that replicating them is impossibly hard, it’s that there is no market to sell them to while everyone can still buy the existing market leader. Cut them off from Google Play or GPUs and suddenly you have a whole population with no choice but to buy and support the development of an alternative.

exasperaited

It will be a domestic event that does it. Perhaps the imprisoning on trumped-up charges of a CEO who refuses to hand over 10% of the business to Trump's fascism slush fund. Perhaps ICE disappearing a foreign-born exec.

And they will all try to ignore it for as long as possible.

tlogan

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igor47

The best way to fight the mean bullies is by using the military with like tanks and rifles. That'll keep us safe from blue haired queers with... ummm... Instagram?

amazingman

> When I say things people don't like it's free speech. When people express their anger at my free speech it's harassment.

Modern American "conservatism", distilled.