Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy

I don't understand why we always assume bad faith. I wish more companies were like Cloudflare actually - trying to balance the need of revenues while trying to do good for internet and open source as a whole.

As a normal user with a few sites, I'm glad they provide what they provide to block bots, attacks and everything AI.

Responding to a dead comment from a banned account:

> The big new game for them is AI crawler metering. Don’t think browser matters much anymore from their perspective.

Truly open browsers are easy to spoof. Approved browsers with whatever attestation features they champion builtin are hard to spoof. So browsers do matter.

Edit: authentication => attestation for accuracy.

Cloudflare supporting Ladybird makes sense for the same reasons that Valve invests in Proton. Cloudflare's job is easier if everyone standardizes on a few approved browsers, but right now the three major browser engines are controlled by Google (IIRC most of Mozilla's funding comes from Google) and Apple, just as Valve's Steam is heavily dependent on Microsoft's Windows.

Both companies are basically hedging against future incentive misalignment with other (larger) companies, and reducing their dependencies on platforms they have ~zero influence over.

a wide rollout of remote attestation would mean cloudflare becomes completely redundant

so I doubt they want that

a murky world where you "need" a guardian middle-man is what they want to preserve

By your argument, this could still be interpreted as Cloudflare approving Ladybird. I don't see how indie genuine browsers (i.e. not bots) are "against the ethos" of restricting the web to approved browsers only.

How do you call someone who has been doing evil things suddenly do one good thing?

why you acting like cloudflare forced people to use their services????

there are a alternative on the market like akamai and fastly

people free to use their favorite cdn over CF lol

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First time I've heard of omarchy, that said often when I really don't understand the hype of a product I have to remember it's not possibly just not for me - I've been a desktop linux user since the 90's and entirely since 2003 (excluding gaming) so I'm not the target user.

I'm clearly not the target.

Developers oftentimes struggle to understand how important marketing is.

It's a way for web developers to easily work in the linux sphere without getting burdened too heavily. Not saying that as a dig to web devs, I'm a web deb but that's all it really appears to me. Popular dude in web dev community made it slightly easier for other web devs to do a thing.

It's popularity I think comes from a) it's brain dead easy to get running while also being a very usable and nice hyprland config b) it's from DHH which has cult following status

I'd argue there's a fairly big niche of people who want a tiling WM but also don't want to have to start from scratch, figure out what accompanying utilities and programs they want to satisfy things like runner/menu, status bar, etc.

Other dots aren't as opinionated, or don't come with such a detailed user guide that Omarchy does, nor a set up script.

I'd even argue that Omarchy isn't really for other Linux users looking to distro hop, but like Omakub, it's for mac users curious about Linux, wanting an equally opinionated set up.

Omarchy is DHH of rails fame. Lots of us like ruby a lot (myself very much included), that being said I've got Omarchy running on a vm as a test case and in the <2 minutes I've looked at it i dont really think it's very intuitive.

It's just a very simple Linux install meant for developers. It's not for people who have used Linux before but meant to be a way for new people to try it for the first time.

And it's getting a lot of attention because of DHH. Doesn't look half bad either which helps.

>What distinguishes this from that?

More eyes on it, DHH has a big following.

I think it’s likely the politics, I’m afraid: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45334359

Maybe one company should not be able to decide which browsers we are allowed to use.

Agreed, and definitely a sign something is very wrong with the internet.

LuaJIT was developed by one person. Ladybird doesn't need hundreds of millions of dollars, it needs interpreter specialists who are willing to lend their time to the project, and an army of volunteers to work on the rest of the rendering engine.

Go look at what the Ladybird project has accomplished with much fewer resources. Ladybird will soon be as good as Firefox.

I was running hyprland with my own dotfiles and using omarchy was quite painless except the only gripe I had were quickly fixed and the other gripe that I have is that it doesn't have nm-applet manager to manage wifi etc. and has a terminal.

So it turned out that my wifi adapter wasn't connected properly and I was giving a test and submission date was near and the wifi had died mid way and I couldn't connect to other wifi because I felt as if the terminal wasn't working and not the adapter...

Definitely give me a bit of a pain. really wish that they can use nm-applet as well... Optionally support terminal wifi too but definitely give atleast an option to get gui wifi.

Also I feel like omarchy focused quite much on bash and I used to use zsh with my custom dot filess which were really lovely. I had semi invented fish in zsh but it was my zsh and it was snappy.

Now I tried to have one ble.sh in bash and it stutters like it turned 80 lol. I definitely love zsh over bash and wish omarchy supported that too...

Luckily I have everything backed up so I will try to move away from bash I think,

One thing that I like is that omarchy has its own aur-ish thing where I found things like bun which isn't arch extra and aur definitely felt clunky. Using the omarchy repo to install bun was kinda nice actually.

I gave it a try because my system was bloated and I hadn't configured it properly in teh sense that my 100 gig was split into 40 40 and 8 swap and uh that 40 of home really got bloated somehow and I couldn't even update my pc using pacman and felt like a massive deal actually.

So I just actually picked my dotfiles and moved on. Might recommend it, it seems that omarchy also has backup support using btrfs by default which I didn't have in my ext4 arch

> I wish Firefox got more varied sponsoring from multiple sources, too.

Mozilla promised that decacdes ago and yet they are still stuck with Google's money.

The problem with Firefox is that the money has to go through Mozilla, and Mozilla is not spending most of that money on Firefox. You cannot sponsor the development of Firefox directly, so your money ends up being wasted.