We regret but have to temporary suspend the shipments to USA
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·August 26, 2025zaptheimpaler
elbasti
I manufacture steel/aluminum goods for the US and I have direct experience with these tariffs. Let me explain why it must be this way and how it's actually supposed to work. This is not a defense of the tariffs, just an explanation.
First of all, if you want to use tariffs to boost domestic manufacturing, you must also tax the steel/al content of finished (or intermediate) goods. Otherwise, you put your local producers at a disadvantage, making the tariffs worse.
If you only tariff raw materials, then an american manufacturer has to pay either US steel prices or imported steel + tariff to manufacture, but a company overseas can use the cheaper foreign steel.
So if you want to tax raw materials, then you also want to tax those goods where raw materials are an important part of the cost.
The US has a catalog called the "Harmonized Tariff Schedule" (HTS) which is a catalog of basically everything under the sun [0]. When the steel & AL tariffs were announced, they also published a list of all the HTS codes where the steel/al content would also be taxed.
Last week the US published a revised list of HTS codes to which these tariffs apply, and they added about 400 items to them. For example, the aluminum content of cans is now taxed when it wasn't before.
Flexport has a very cool (and useful!) tariff simulator where you can look up any item and it will tell you if the steel/al content will be subject to these tariffs: https://tariffs.flexport.com
epistasis
This all makes a lot of sense and is also a great reason why sudden tariffs like these are absolutely bat shit insane. It's exactly what an incompetent PHB would do.
danielvf
Yes, it's a very logical part of a tariff regime, and tariffs penalize domestic manufacturers without it.
But wow, are tariffs (and other micro taxes) disruptive on getting things done efficiently.
jayd16
I mean...they're still punished by tariffs with these changes, but they're also punished without them.
jandrese
I understand where they are coming from. Otherwise you will definitely have people who take a metric ton of copper and slap a sticker on the side and declare that they are shipping stickers around to avoid the tariff. Of course a sane policy would be to have a "trace amounts" option in the tariff if your product contains less than a kg or less than 1% by mass of the stuff to avoid the paperwork, but the people who set this up are the kind of people who worry more about what criminals do than what productive people do. It's just plain badly designed regulation.
hnburnsy
Here is how the EU expects PCB imports...
>For PCBs shipped to the EU, a Certificate of Analysis is not typically required for determining tariffs, as tariffs are based on the HS code (e.g., 8534.00 for bare PCBs), country of origin, and customs value. However, a CoA or similar documentation (e.g., material composition report) may be needed for: Regulatory compliance with REACH or RoHS, especially if the PCBs contain restricted substances like lead or cadmium. Customs verification if the product’s classification or materials are questioned.
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duped
> Wow this administration is f*ing batshit insane
It's reasons why this that I refuse to associate with Republicans in my daily life anymore. They are undeserving of respect or decency for how they continue to make our lives worse.
seviu
I live in Switzerland and Swiss post, which is the state owned postal service, does not ship to the US anymore.
Here is the official link:
https://www.post.ch/en/about-us/media/press-releases/2025/us...
Pretty crazy if you ask me
daseiner1
speak up, we can barely hear you in the top rows of the grandstands
voters have essentially zero influence over policy and overwhelmingly vote on "vibes". also most people don't care about policy at any level of detail until it directly affects them. is this good? no. true nonetheless. much of why i'm not much of a fan of democracy and i think it's a sham.
i don't think contributing increased polarization, especially at the level of your neighbors, is something to be proud of.
MSFT_Edging
I'll associate but sorta make fun of them in conversation.
It's not the most productive but for all the pain their "opinions" create, the least I can do is make them feel the group believes their opinions to be ridiculous as the group all laughs.
I don't think they should get civility outside of the voters booth if they're uncivil within the booth.
philipallstar
Haven't people been saying this for a decade now? The democrats purity tests make this test for copper look like child's play.
Mtinie
I’m genuinely interested in which “purity tests” you are referring to. I’m all for bi-partisan ridicule if it’s warranted.
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duped
Donald Trump did get elected about a decade ago, so sure?
throwmeaway222
yeah it's what publicans had to deal with for years when they were seeing their jobs vaporize and we just said ' well globalization ' but they didn't stop associating with crats.
abakker
c'mon. IT outsourcing was done 100% to drive shareholder value, not to improve globalization. Don't drink your own kool aid. The party and its members engage in an incredible mutual hypocrisy with each other. It's all facile BS.
croes
Didn‘t know Nixon and Reagan were Democrats.
Maybe you realize that neither do something for the working class but the big corporations and billionaires.
The ones who try are labeled socialists.
miltonlost
??? Republicans were also a huge driver of offshoring manufacturing, not just the neoliberal Democrats. What are you talking about?
nabla9
Across EU and Asia packet shipments into the US are being shout down until the things are resolved. This is bullshit that hurts everybody, but Americans the most.
darth_avocado
> This is bullshit that hurts everybody, but Americans the most.
Price I pay is not getting my $20 fairy lights that made my backyard look cute. The price foreign factory workers pay is that they’re out of a job. I don’t think Americans pay the most, but they do pay.
Edit: Clearly people are missing the point Im trying to make here. I’m trying to address the viewpoint that Americans will somehow lose the most, which i don’t think is the case. This isn’t a pro tariff argument. American consumer is the biggest market there is on the planet. Pretending we can just find other buyers is ludicrous. Yes, there will be some jobs affected domestically, but that number will be much higher elsewhere.
cjs_ac
The foreign factory workers will still have jobs making the same products, except those products won't be exported to the US. Luckily for them, 95% of humans live outside the US.
cheema33
> Price I pay is not getting my $20 fairy lights that made my backyard look cute.
That is all of your imports that are impacted by tariffs? Whatever it is that you are smoking is some good stuff.
saubeidl
Longer term all trade will just be rerouted to exclude the US.
The EU is making moves right now to position itself as the preeminent center of world trade.
Losing that position will hurt Americans more than anyone else.
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liuliu
> Wow this administration is f*ing batshit insane.
No, it is not insane. This creates perfect "everyone violates the law, we can selectively enforce it" scenario. That's how 10% Intel-like condition can be created for other companies.
toomuchtodo
“For my friends, everything; for my enemies, the law.” -- Field Marshal Óscar R. Benavides, former president of Peru.
("History doesn't repeat itself but it often rhymes," attributed to Twain)
liuliu
Also, let's not forget that Apple / Google is violating PAFACAA right now (the TikTok act, by allowing TikTok in the U.S. AppStore / PlayStore) b/c DoJ is instructed to sue anyone who is following PAFACAA. This will create a lot of headache for Apple / Google when a different administration comes into power. (The extension signed by EO is not to do the 90-day extension permitted by PAFACAA, it is merely says DoJ won't enforce PAFACAA and will sue anyone following PAFACAA b/c DoJ should be the only one who enforces PAFACAA).
layer8
> "History doesn't repeat itself but it often rhymes," attributed to Twain
mothballed
Even better, if they wait long enough between selections or only do minimal enforcement, then no one has any standing to challenge it (Knife Rights v Garland) even on constitutional grounds.
Plaintiffs plainly lack standing when they fail to provide evidence that the statutory provision has ever been enforced against them or regularly enforced against others.
(key word here, regularly enforced against others)So if you think the law is bullshit the judge can just say you probably won't be prosecuted so you have no imminent fear of prosecution and you can't challenge it.
coliveira
Exactly, that's how you create a corrupt state: enact crazy laws that are impossible to follow and then persecute only your enemies and grant favorable conditions to your friends. Trump is succeeding at that.
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InitialLastName
This whole tariff circus boils down to regulatory capture by manufacturers at the 10+-figure market cap scale. Olimex (and other small and medium businesses) can't reasonably be expected to calculate the exact material composition of their products (much less their suppliers' products); the only people who can are on the scale of Apple, Microsoft, Samsung and Google whose volumes can amortize the cost of doing so on a per-product basis (and who have probably already done that analysis as part of their process control).
softwaredoug
We’re living through a political revolution centralizing state and economic power. It’s almost like the pendulum swung away from the Soviet system and now we’re swinging back.
fooker
Yeah, seize the means of production, indeed.
Funny that this time this started from the right side of the political spectrum.
ronsor
Horseshoe theory is real, but there's also the fact that politics has more than one axis.
Authoritarianism is the common denominator; only the details vary.
softwaredoug
I believe when you look at Germany, the Far Right party is much more popular in former Soviet strongholds (East Germany outside Berlin)
edbaskerville
It wasn't called National Socialism for nothing.
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shafoshaf
This is a great podcast on philosophy in general, but this episode on Technofeudalism https://open.spotify.com/episode/5SjdkYzdSp6tHTdD2o1OAe?si=8... talks directly about the state of Big Tech taking over the capitalist free market. The same as is happening with large scale industries like you mention.
mckirk
I knew without clicking this would be Philosophize This.
I friggin love that podcast, and keep recommending it to friends. The only problem I have with it is that I like to listen to it while driving, but I can't stop to take notes every five minutes.
(Small anecdote: A while back I was listening to the series on anarchy, as a philosophical view questioning the power of the state, and in the middle of the episode I got stopped by the police. Which, especially when driving in Bavaria, can happen randomly without any reason, for those confused.)
jacquesm
Slightly different location.
chrisco255
If only people had access to spreadsheet software and affordable desktop computers, they could easily do these calculations.
general1726
You know that you can't do it on your own, but you need to have certification for that?
> U.S. customs is demanding a Certificate of Analysis (which could cost thousands of dollars and to determine what exact amount of Aluminum, Copper and Steel are in the product), otherwise they assume the entire PCB consists of copper, aluminum, and steel, and charge a 100% tariff on the whole product.
zdragnar
This is nothing new. The number of hoops a former employer had to jump through to export, from the US into the EU, what amounted to a steel bar with some brackets on it was almost worth more in salary hours than the entire value of the sale.
cheema33
> The number of hoops a former employer had to jump through to export, from the US into the EU
Makes perfect sense to make ordinary Americans pay tariff/taxes on imports in return. Sucks to be them.
madaxe_again
Not so. There exist BOM analysis tools which are free for manufacturers of products to use - you just upload your parts list and your suppliers, and it works down the list either requesting info from the supplier or using pre-supplied info. The suppliers in turn contact their suppliers, etc. - it’s the suppliers who ultimately pay a few hundred bucks a year for access. At the end of the process you know exactly what’s in your doodad, get a materials compliance declaration, don’t poison any kids, etc.
This is something this manufacturer should already be doing, otherwise it’s unclear how they’re complying with RoHS or REACH.
xn
My mother-in-law shipped us homemade jam from Slovakia. It's been stuck in customs for 3 weeks. The agents must be working diligently to assay the canning jar lids.
phendrenad2
[delayed]
gpm
> otherwise they assume the entire PCB consists of copper, aluminum, and steel, and charge a 100% tariff on the whole product.
Do I understand this correctly that if I have a 1kg product that costs $1000... the US is trying to charge me a $1000 tariff on at most $10 [1] worth of metal?
[1] Copper is the most expensive of those metals at roughly $10/kg
chrisco255
If you don't go through the work of detailing your materials, then yes, they have to assume worse case as they are not going to go through each package individually and compute an accurate number for you.
vorgol
All scandinavic countries have stopped shipment to USA due to this (except gifts valued < $100)
amarcheschi
FYI, poste italiane - Italian mail service - stopped shipping to USA too today or yesterday, if I had to guess other eu mail services have already followed or will follow soon
sschueller
The Swiss Post has also stopped shipments to the US. [1]
Your only option now is to use FedEx or UPS which cost a significant amount more.
[1] https://www.post.ch/en/about-us/media/press-releases/2025/us...
sphericalkat
Japan Post has stopped shipments as well https://www.post.japanpost.jp/int/information/2025/0825_01_e...
patrickhogan1
Why are many shippers still getting everything through? Are they using tech like Flexport to handle the complexity?
Is this a situation where if you abide by the letter of the law without tech it doesn’t work, where if you use software and/or route through nations that already have no tariff deals with US you get your items through?
I just bought (last week) an EEG kit from Europe to US for personal sleep studies. It has similar metals that you indicate. There was no issue in my shipper getting it through. There was no tariff added. There was no certificate of analysis.
zaptheimpaler
There's a comment asking about this on the blog that they replied to:
> Mouser and Digikey have the same issues, but have professional import customs brokers and do these import procedures and handle all these charges by themselves. The average small US customer have no clue how to do import, they wait someone to deliver their parcel to their door. Which now do not happens, and after several weeks of this parcel hanging at US customs they ask the seller “where is my parcel? I ordered this way many times and every time the parcel arrived to my door” meantime they have to pay import taxes, storage fees etc etc and they simple refuse the parcel and return it back. This is why DHL and UPS refuse to take parcels to USA now until they figure out how to calculate these import tariffs correctly so they can be pre-paid in advance i.e. the US customer knows what he have to pay $$$ tariffs in advance and all these returns stop.
mschuster91
Digikey is nuts anyway. I ordered less than 100 euros worth of stuff (but still free shipping?!) for a ham radio DATV receiver kit from them and the package showed up like 30 hours later. From the US to Germany. And given just how freaking many components it was, handling of all these single-piece mini packages is insane.
I seriously wonder if Digikey lost money on that order, shipping alone must have cost 20-30€, and on top come all the antistatic bags, handling costs, payment costs.
blackguardx
The Digi-key situation is funny. Going forward, ordering from Digi-key will be cheaper for europeans than for folks in the US. Digi-key operates a bonded warehouse where they don't pay tariffs until it gets shipped to a customer. ICs that are sent from China to Digi-key and then to europeans will pay no US tariffs and often with free shipping deals as you mentioned.
Digi-key never offerred free shipping for US customers and now we will have to pay these high tariffs too.
kjs3
the package showed up like 30 hours later
Or...they have a warehouse in Germany?
all these single-piece mini packages
Automated pick-and-package.
KerrAvon
My one experience with this recently is that UPS will charge you anyway for the duty and if you don't pay they will threaten to turn you over to debt collectors even if they don't deliver the package. So I'm not sure why they in particular would care.
dwedge
I had the same with FedEx. I reported it as a lost padkage at X value and they decided to write off the customs charge
layer8
It’s still an administrative cost for them, and the non-delivered packages are filling up their warehouses.
post_break
They have teams that are dedicated to handling tariffs and imports. Smaller companies that used traditional shipping now having to jump through insane loops are just calling it quits.
kjs3
Having bumped into this world via family...even small manufacturers that do substantial portion of their business overseas often have dedicated import/export people, or contract to firms that handle it. It's just smart business. I think it's the scale and the level of uncertainty that the current round of economic chicken has the SMBs hedging.
ranger_danger
> Why are larger shippers still getting everything through?
Boats. They're still dealing with tariffs, but it's a lot easier to declare an entire container than individual airmail packets.
But having a US presence that can then receive the containers and ship domestically, is kindof reserved for the big boys.
mschuster91
Look at the rates FedEx etc. will charge you for DDP service, and there's your answer.
TheOtherHobbes
No matter what the pretext, it should be completely clear that the only real goal of this is to damage the US economy.
Just as the real effect of a vaccine ban will be to damage US health, and the real effect of dismantling government funded R&D will be to damage US education and competitiveness.
I have no doubt some people believe patriotism is involved, and some large companies will get exemptions.
But I also have no doubt these decisions aren't being made for the long-term benefit of the US as a whole. Or even most of it. Or even those parts of it which are currently exempt.
This is Brexit++, sponsored by the same people, with similar - but much worse - lasting effects.
StefanBatory
Damaging economy - and slowly, but surely, closing America from the external world. It does feel very much this way. :|
American own Cultural Revolution.
jordanpg
> But I also have no doubt these decisions aren't being made for the long-term benefit of the US as a whole
Then why are they being made? That is the real question that in my opinion is not being discussed enough. A lot of reacting to what's happening in the US, but not enough pondering about what the real goals are here.
I have my own views about this, which I used to think were somewhat conspiratorial and hyperbolic, but no more.
craftkiller
Well shit. I pre-ordered a risc-v motherboard from DeepComputing (Hong Kong) for my framework laptop that is supposed to ship next month. They'll likely run into these exact same issues.
kjs3
I had my finger over the 'buy' button for an Omlex board when I saw this, thinking "If I want it I better order before things get weird". I was too slow avoiding the weird......
craftkiller
I knew shenanigans was going to go down so I conveyed to DeepComputing that I wanted to wait until the product was available to place my order. 1 month after that I got an email from them stating "Our product, [...] has been available for some time now" so I believed them. Turns out they meant the pre-orders were open. So even though I knew this was coming, I still managed to fall into an international pre-order situation.
(FWIW I assume this was a language barrier issue leading to a misunderstanding, perhaps with a custom service rep that didn't review my past messages. I don't think DeepComputing intended to trick me.)
frereubu
All part of this: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/aug/26/postal-servi...
"Suspensions including from Australia and Europe come after Donald Trump removed a rule exempting parcels worth less than US$800 from his tariffs."
(For some reason this isn't showing the full article to me in Firefox with uBlock Origin. There's more info here that works with that setup - https://www.theguardian.com/business/2025/aug/25/postal-serv...).
semiquaver
No, that is the de minimis exemption repeal. This is due to a series of new tariffs on copper and other metals which is unusual (and nonsensical) in that it applies to the metal content of finished and semi-finished products. The de minimus rule exempted low value individual products sent directly to consumers, but this metal tariff affects all importers, unless they deal in one of the carved-out product categories.
frereubu
Ah, thanks for pointing that out - I thought it was all part of the same deal.
shafoshaf
To be fair, China has been widely abusing the <$800 rule for a number of years. And it really wasn't not helping either economy. Temu routinely employs forced labor and worse to give those super low prices that US companies can't compete with. https://youtu.be/quGoGgbP-aE?si=FL8pgTssEwn5qEvS&t=387
sschueller
Yes, but it's the receiver that is supposed to handle the tariff not the sender.
litoE
I buy a veterinary grade vaccine for my dog from Great Britain. I'm sure it contains a few micrograms of aluminum salts (those RFK Jr. doesn't like) as a stabilizer. And now I need to pay a 100% tariff on the aluminum?
drjasonharrison
Probably has an aluminum ring to cap it (with a rubber-like seal that can be punctured with a needle.
What about the aluminized foil-sealed bottles for pills, powders, etc.?
badc0ffee
For national security.
elbasti
The steel/al content is taxed only for some products. Veterinary vaccines have tariff code `3002.42.00` which is not subject to these Section 232 tariffs :)
werdnapk
100% tariff on a few micrograms of aluminum shouldn't break the bank ;)
darth_avocado
> U.S. customs is demanding a Certificate of Analysis (which could cost thousands of dollars and to determine what exact amount of Aluminum, Copper and Steel are in the product), otherwise they assume the entire PCB consists of copper, aluminum, and steel, and charge a 100% tariff on the whole product.
It’s on the whole product not just micrograms of aluminum, which could break the bank based on how much you order.
dummydummy1234
The paperwork will though.
> importers must declare the exact amount of steel, copper, and aluminum in products, with a 100% tariff applied to these materials. This makes little sense—PCBs, for instance, contain copper traces, but the quantity is nearly impossible to estimate.
Wow this administration is f**ing batshit insane. I thought the tariffs would be on raw metals, not anything at all that happens to contain them.