When did AI take over Hacker News?
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·August 17, 2025rising-sky
ryandrake
Weird what counts as "negative" on HN. Question something politely? You're being negative. Criticize something? Negative. Describe it in a way someone might interpret badly? Negative. Sometimes it seems like anything that's not breathless, unconditional praise is considered being negative and curmudgeonly. It's turning into a "positive thoughts only" zone.
throw10920
Part of this is driven by people who have realized that they can undermine others' thinking skills by using the right emotional language.
For instance, in a lot of threads on some new technology or idea, one of the top comments is "I'm amazed by the negativity here on HN. This is a cool <thing> and even though it's not perfect we should appreciate the effort the author has put in" - where the other toplevel comments are legitimate technical criticism (usually in a polite manner, no less).
I've seen this same comment, in various flavors, at the top of dozens of HN thread in the past couple of years.
Some of these people are being genuine, but others are literally just engaging in amigdala-hijacking because they want to shut down criticism of something they like, and that contributes to the "everything that isn't gushing positivity is negative" effect that you're seeing.
scyzoryk_xyz
Part of this is driven by people engaged in repetitive feedback loops. The links offer a kind of rhythm and the responses usually follow a recognizable pattern.
The funny thing about this here audience is that it is made up of the kinds of folks you would see in all those cringey OpenAI videos. I.e. the sort of person who can do this whole technical criticism all day long but wouldn't be able to identify the correct emotional response if it hit them over the head. And that's what we're all here for - to talk shop.
Thing is - we don't actually influence others' thinking with the right emotional language just by leaving an entry behind on HN. We're not engaging in "amigdala-hijacking" to "shut down criticism" when we respond to a comment. There is a bunch of repetitive online cliché's in play here, but it would be a stretch to say that there are these amigdala-hijackers. Intentionally steering the thread and redefining what negativity is.
mrexroad
“If you enjoyed the {service}, please rate me 5-Stars, anything less is considered negative poor service”
Not sure if part of a broader trend, or a simply reflection of it, but when mentoring/coaching middle and high school aged kids, I’m finding they struggle to accept feedback in anyway other than “I failed.” A few years back, the same age group was more likely to accept and view feedback as an opportunity so long as you led with praising strengths. Now it’s like threading a needle every time.
kzs0
I’m relatively young and I noticed this trend in myself and my peers. I wonder if it has to do with the increasingly true fact that if you’re not one of the “best” you’ll be lucky to have some amount of financial stability. The stakes for kids have never been higher, and the pressure for perfection from their parents has similarly never been higher.
phyzix5761
This is such a good comment. I have nothing but positive things to say about it. It's amazing!
hebocon
You're absolutely right! /s
popalchemist
Most people do not realize it, but the tech industry is largely predicated on a cult which many people belong to without ever realizing it, which is the cult of "scientism", or in the case of pro-AI types, a subset of that, which is accelerationism. Nietzsche and Jung jointly had the insight that in the wake of the enlightenment, God had been dethroned, yet humans remained in need of a God. For many, that God is simply material power - namely money. But for tech bros, it is power in the form of technology, and AI is the avatar of that.
So the emotional process which results in the knee-jerk reactions to even the slightest and most valid critiques of AI (and the value structure underpinning Silicon Valley's pursuit of AGI) comes from the same place that religous nuts come from when they perceive an infringement upon their own agenda (Christianity, Islam, pick your flavor -- the reactivity is the same).
DyslexicAtheist
your Nietzsche reference made me wonder about one of his other sayings that if you stare into the abyss for too long the abyss will stare into you. And that seems fitting with how AI responses are always phrased in a way that make you feel like you're the genius for even asking a specific question. And if we spend more time engaging with AI (which tricks us emotionally) will we also change our behavior and expect everyone else treating us like a genius in every interaction? What NLP does AI perform on humans that we haven't become aware of yet?
everdrive
HN is a great site, but (at least currently) the comments section is primarily populated by people. I agree with what you've said, and it applies far wider than HN.
perching_aix
Are you saying this based on the dataset shared? Like you inspected some randomized subset of the sentiment analysis and this is what you found?
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camillomiller
There is a relevant number of power users that also flag everything that is critical of big tech and won’t fit their frame as well, sending it into oblivion, regardless of the community rules and clear support from other voting members. But also calling that out is seen as negative and not constructive, and there goes any attempt at a discussion.
jaredklewis
How do you know who flags submissions?
user3939382
IMHO industry is over represented in computing. Their $ contribute a lot but if all else could be equal (it can’t) I would prefer computing be purely academic.
* Commercial influence on computing has proven to be so problematic one wonders if the entire stack is a net negative, it shouldn’t even be a question.
throw10920
Can you point to a set of recent comments that are critical of big tech while also not breaking the guidelines and make good points, and are flagged anyway?
All of the anti-big-tech comments I've ever seen that are flagged are flagged because they blatantly break the guidelines and/or are contentless and don't contribute in any meaningful sense aside from trying to incite outrage.
And those should be flagged.
joshdavham
I felt the same. I also definitely don't see the cited article as a "pretty negative post".
benreesman
I think OP just means that in the sentiment analysis parlance, not in the critical of the post sense.
Though it does sort of show the Overton window that a pretty bland argument against always believing some rich dudes buckets as negative even in the sentiment analysis sense.
I think a lot of people have like half their net worth in NVIDIA stock right now.
srcreigh
> rather questioning first if the future being peddled is actually what we want
The author (tom) tricked you. His article is flame bait. AI is a tool that we can use and discuss about. It's not just a "future being peddled." The article manages to say nothing about AI, casts generic doubt on AI as a whole, and pits people against each other. It's a giant turd for any discussion about AI, a sure-fire curiosity destruction tool.
epolanski
I've always found HN's take on AI healthily skeptical.
The only subset where HN gets overly negative is coding, way more than they should.
johnfn
Maybe negative isn’t exactly the right word here. But I also didn’t enjoy the cited post. One reason is that the article really says nothing at all. You could take the article and replace “LLMs”, mad-lib style, with almost any other hyped piece of technology, and the article would still read cohesively. Bitcoin. Rust. Docker. Whatever. That this particular formulation managed to skyrocket to the top of HN says, in my opinion, that people were substituting in their own assumptions into an article which itself makes no hard claims. That this post was somewhat more of a rorsarch test for the zeitgeist.
It’s certainly not the worst article I’ve read here. But that’s why I didn’t really like it.
xelxebar
Honestly, I read this a just a case of somewhat sloppy terminology choice:
- Positive → AI Boomerist
- Negative → AI Doomerist
Still not great, IMHO, but at the very least the referenced article is certainly not AI Boomerist, so by process of elimination... probably more ambivalent? How does one quickly characterize "not boomerist and not really doomerist either, but somewhat ambivalent on that axis but definitely pushing against boomerism" without belaboring the point? Seems reasonable read that as some degree of negative pressure.
jacquesm
I'm more annoyed at the - clearly - AI based comments than the articles themselves. The articles are easy to ignore, the comments are a lot harder. In light of that I'd still love it if HN created an ignore feature, I think the community is large enough now that that makes complete sense. It would certainly improve my HN experience.
giancarlostoro
A little unrelated but the biggest feature I want for HN is to be able to search specifically threads and comments I've favorited / upvoted. I've liked hundreds if not thousands of articles / comments. If I could narrow down my searches to all that content I would be able to find gems of the web a lot easier.
bbarnett
The search is rails, were you being funny with the 'gems' bit?
https://github.com/algolia/hn-search
You can already access all your upvotes in your user page, so this might be an easy patch?
insin
I added muting and annotating users to my Hacker News extension:
jacquesm
Neat, worth a try. Thank you!
paulcole
> In light of that I'd still love it if HN created an ignore feature
This is why I always think the HN reader apps that people make using the API are some of the stupidest things imaginable. They’re always self-described as “beautifully designed” and “clean” but never have any good features.
I would use one and pay for it if it had an ignore feature and the ability to filter out posts and threads based on specific keywords.
I have 0 interest in building one myself as I find the HN site good enough for me.
wonger_
This one has been convenient for filtering posts: https://tools.simonwillison.net/hacker-news-filtered But not threads
nutribueno
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Hnrobert42
It's sad you feel this way. I find the commentary here the most enjoyable part of the internet. On balance, folks are thoughtful and knowledgeable about a wide variety of subjects. They are respectful even when disagreeing.
It's interesting that we can have polar opposite perspectives.
arrowsmith
"Has to" endure? Why are you here if you find the commentary so worthless?
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schappim
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jacquesm
No, you didn't see anything. I've been writing like that since very long before LLMs did it, mostly because I'm considerably older than that. I'm sure if you go back to 2008, the first year that I participated in HN you'll find plenty of examples.
Hnrobert42
Perhaps you and those of your ilk are the source.
schappim
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Dylan16807
That's not an emdash, and I don't think LLMs use dashes for emphasis that way? It's not a grammatical use.
schappim
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roxolotl
This is cool data but I’d love to see how this AI boom compares to the big data AI boom of 2015-2018 or so. There were a lot of places calling themselves AI for no reason. Lots of anxiety that no one but data scientists would have jobs in the future.
It’s hard to tell how total that was compared to today. Of course the amount of money involved is way higher so I’d expect it to not be as large but expanding the data set a bit could be interesting to see if there’s waves of comments or not.
Bjorkbat
My personal favorite from that time was a website builder called "The Grid" which really overhyped on its promises.
It never had a public product, but people in the private beta mentioned that they did have a product, just that it wasn't particularly good. It took forever to make websites, they were often overly formulaic, the code was terrible, etc etc.
10 years later and some of those complaints still ring true
ryandrake
I noticed at one point a few days ago that all 10 out of the top 10 articles on the front page were about AI or LLMs. Granted, that doesn't happen often, but wow. This craze is just unrelenting.
NoboruWataya
This is something I do regularly - count how many of the top 10 articles are AI-related. Generally it is 4-6 articles out of the 10 (currently it is 5). The other day it was 9.
Even 4-6 articles out of the top 10 for a single topic, consistently, seems crazy to me.
dsign
I have noticed the same and tbh it’s annoying as hell. But also to be honest, never before have humans been so determined to pour so much money, effort and attention into something you need a complicated soul to not interpret as utterly reckless. In a way, the AI thing is as exciting as going to the Coliseum to watch war prisoners gut each other, with the added thrill of knowing the gladiators will come out of the circle any minute to do the thing to the public, and you watch and fret and listen to the guy behind you gush about those big muscles on the gladiators which one day will be so good for building roads. It’s really hard to pass on it.
snowwrestler
Would be fun to do similar analysis for HN front page trends that peaked and then declined, like cryptocurrency, NFTs, Web3, and self-driving cars.
And actually it’s funny: self-driving cars and cryptocurrency are continuing to advance dramatically in real life but there are hardly any front page HN stories about them anymore. Shows the power of AI as a topic that crowds out others. And possibly reveals the trendy nature of the HN attention span.
pavel_lishin
Is cryptocurrency advancing dramatically? Maybe this is an illustration of this effect, but I haven't seen any news about any major changes, other than line-go-up stuff.
seabass-labrax
Ironically, the most prominent advances have not actually been in cryptocurrencies themselves but rather in the traditional financial institutions that interact with them.
For instance, there are now dozens of products such as cryptocurrency-backed lending via EMV cards or fixed-yield financial instruments based on cryptocurrency staking. Yet if you want to use cryptocurrencies directly the end-user tools haven't appreciably changed for years. Anecdotally, I used the MetaMask wallet software last month and if anything it's worse than it was a few years ago.
Real developments are there, but are much more subtle. Higher-layer blockchains are really popular now when they were rather niche a few years ago - these can increase efficiency but come with their own risks. Also, various zero-knowledge proof technologies that were developed for smart contracts are starting to be used outside of cryptocurrencies too.
lagniappe
You wont find net-positive discussion around cryptocurrency here, even if it is academic. It's hard to point a finger exactly how things got this way, but as someone on the engineering side of such things it's maybe just something I'm able to see quickly, like when you buy a certain vehicle, you notice them more.
QuadmasterXLII
bought a president mostly
do_not_redeem
No news is good news. A boring article like "(Visa/USDC) settles trillions of dollars worth of transactions, just like last year" won't get clicks.
MathMonkeyMan
The last time I was looking for a job, I wrote a little scraper that used naive regex to classify "HN Who's Hiring" postings as "AI," "full time," etc.
I was looking for a full time remote or hybrid non-AI job in New York. I'm not against working on AI, but this being a startup forum I felt like listings were dominated by shiny new thing startups, whereas I was looking for a more "boring" job.
Anyway, here's:
- a graph: https://home.davidgoffredo.com/hn-whos-hiring-stats.html
- the filtered listings: https://home.davidgoffredo.com/hn-whos-hiring.html
- the code: https://github.com/dgoffredo/hn-whos-hiring
akk0
What's the status on cryptocurrency tech and ecosystem right now actually? I did some work in that area some years back but found all the tooling tobe in an abysmal state that didn't allow for non-finance applications to be anything but toys so I got out and haven't looked back, but I never stopped being bullish on decentralized software.
do_not_redeem
If you want to build something not related to finance, why do you want to use cryptocurrency tech? There's already plenty of decentralized building blocks, everything from bittorrent to raft, that might be more suitable.
zachperkel
maybe I'll do that next :)
sitkack
You forgot Erlang and Poker bots.
dsign
This is anecdotal, but the article used ChatGPT to score the sentiment. I’ve noticed that ChatGPT tends to “hallucinate” positive sentiment where there is sufficient nuance but a person would interpret it as overall negative[^1]. I however haven’t tested that bias against more brazen statements.
tallytarik
I thought this was going to be an analysis of articles that are clearly AI-generated.
I feel like that’s an increasing ratio of top posts, and they’re usually an instant skip for me. Would be interested in some data to see if that’s true.
blitzar
When every YC company pivoted to Ai and every company in the intake is Ai.
daft_pink
This is the ai. We took over the entire world a few months ago. - the AI
richardw
I’d like to see the percentage of the top 10 that were AI charted. There were a few times where you almost couldn’t see anything except AI.
My intuition is that we moved through the hype cycle far faster than mainstream. When execs were still peaking, we were at disillusionment.
puppion
> I could just use simple keyword analysis at this point to answer these questions, but that wouldn't be very fun
this sums up the subject this article is about.
mikert89
its in the running for the biggest technological change maybe in the last 100 years?
whats so confusing about this, thinking machines have been invented
greesil
It certainly looks like thinking
dgfitz
And magic tricks look like magic. Turns out they’re not magical.
I am so floored that at least half of this community, usually skeptical to a fault, evangelizes LLMs so ardently. Truly blows my mind.
I’m open to them becoming more than a statistical token predictor, and I think it would be really neat to see that happen.
They’re nowhere close to anything other than a next-token-predictor.
svara
> I’m open to them becoming more than a statistical token predictor, and I think it would be really neat to see that happen
What exactly do you mean by that? I've seen this exact comment stated many times, but I always wonder:
What limitations of AI chat bots do you currently see that are due to them using next token prediction?
greesil
Maybe thinking needs a Turing test. If nobody can tell the difference between this and actual thinking then it's actually thinking. /s, or is it?
chpatrick
When you type you're also producing one character at a time with some statistical distribution. That doesn't imply anything regarding your intelligence.
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tim333
IMO gold?
BoiledCabbage
> I am so floored that at least half of this community, usually skeptical to a fault, evangelizes LLMs so ardently. Truly blows my mind. ... > I’m open to them becoming more than a statistical token predictor, and I think it would be really neat to see that happen
I'm more shocked that so many people seem unable to come to grips with the fact that something can be a next token predictor and demonstrate intelligence. That's what blows my mind, people unable to see that something can be more than the sum of its parts. To them, if something is a token predictor clearly it can't be doing anything impressive - even while they watch it do I'm impressive things.
zikduruqe
Yeah... we took raw elements from the earth, struck them with bits of lightning, and now they think for us. That in itself is pretty amazing.
layer8
Our brains are ultimately made out of elements from the food we are eating.
mikert89
yeah like we are living in the dawn of the future. science fiction is now real. aliens live among us, locked in sillicon.
lm28469
Bigger than internet and computers? Lmao, I don't even know if I'd place it as high as the GPS.
Some people are terminally online and it really shows...
Spivak
and they don't have to revolutionize the world to be revolutionary in our industry. it might be that the use-cases unlocked by this new technology won't move the needle in an industrial revolution sense but it's nonetheless a huge leap for computer science and the kinds of tasks that can be done with software.
i don't understand people who seem to have strongly motivated reasoning to dismiss the new tech as just a token predictor or stochastic parrot. it's confusing the means with the result, it's like saying Deep Blue is just search, it's not actually playing chess, it doesn't understand the game—like that matters to people playing against it.
mattbuilds
I personally don't dismiss or advocate for AI/LLMs, I just take what I actually see happening, which doesn't appear revolutionary to me. I've spent some time trying to integrate it into my workflow and I see some use cases here and there but overall it just hasn't made a huge impact for me personally. Maybe it's a skill issue but I have always been pretty effective as a dev and what it solves has never been the difficult or time consuming part of creating software. Of course I could be wrong and it will change everything, but I want to actually see some evidence of that before declaring this the most impactful technology in the last 100 years. I personally just feel like LLMs make the easy stuff easier, the medium stuff slightly more difficult and the hard stuff impossible. But I personally feel that way about a lot of technology that comes along though, so it could just be I'm missing the mark.
hodgehog11
> I have always been pretty effective as a dev
> LLMs make the easy stuff easier
I think this is the observation that's important right now. If you're an expert that isn't doing a lot of boilerplate, LLMs don't have value to you right now. But they can acceptably automate a sizeable number of entry-level jobs. If those get flushed out, that's an issue, as not everyone is going to be a high-level expert.
Long-term, the issue is we don't know where the ceiling is. Just because OpenAI is faltering doesn't mean that we've hit that ceiling yet. People talk about the scaling laws as a theoretical boundary, but it's actually the opposite. It shows that the performance curve could just keep going up even with brute force, which has never happened before in the history of statistics. We're in uncharted territory now, so there's good reason to keep an eye on it.
mvdtnz
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What I found insightful about this article was the framing of another article cited.
> " This pretty negative post topping Hacker News last month sparked these questions, and I decided to find some answers, of course, using AI"
The pretty negative post cited is https://tomrenner.com/posts/llm-inevitabilism/. I went ahead to read it, and found it, imo, fair. It's not making any direct pretty negative claims about AI, although it's clear the author has concerns. But the thrust is inviting the reader to not fall into the trap of the current framing by proponents of AI, rather questioning first if the future being peddled is actually what we want. Seems a fair question to ask if you're unsure?
I got concerned that this is framed as "pretty negative post", and it impacted my read of the rest of this author's article