How to configure X11 in a simple way
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·July 25, 2025encom
I was there, Gandalf. I was there 3000 years ago, when we edited ~~x11~~ xorg config files by hand. I will gladly pay any price in bloat to never have to touch that nonsense again.
tonyarkles
And the perpetual underlying vague threat “if you get your modelines wrong you could destroy your monitor”. I suppose I started with XFree86 and switched to xorg whenever Gentoo did.
MPSimmons
Immediately did ctrl-f "modeline" and was pleasantly surprised
shmerl
Creating custom modelines is far from fun activity, bloat or no bloat.
The last time I had to look into that was to work around amdgpu bug that affected screen blinking in KDE Wayland session.
TacticalCoder
> Creating custom modelines is far from fun activity, bloat or no bloat.
Last time I did that was in the nineties, when I was doing stuff like running CRT monitors at weird resolutions, like 848x612 instead of 800x600 so I know more about modelines and modelines computation than most.
And yet I don't even remember last time I had to manually edit modelines: 38" monitor @ 3840x1600 pixels and 34" monitor @ 3440x1440 are all working with stock Xorg config.
Monitors have been detected fine at their native resolution since, what, two decades now!?
whalesalad
"in a simple way" proceeds to write a 300 page epic
exiguus
I also aspect a 1000 Word article and stopped reading after the TOC.
doublerabbit
I would call a 300 page epic simple.
300 pages on explaining things X. I wouldn't say that's bad. Could always be longer.
DonHopkins
At least I was able to keep it under 300 pages.
https://donhopkins.medium.com/the-x-windows-disaster-128d398...
xyzelement
Omg I literally stumbled upon the unix haters handbook off an old JWZ blog last night and was reading it till 2 in the morning. Thank you!
jcranmer
... somehow this is the first time I've realized that you contributed to the Unix Haters Handbook.
(And I've read it in its entirety at least twice!)
davydm
cool if you want to stay with 30-year-old desktops like fluxbox, but I'm not about to give up my KDE when I have plenty of ram to spare - the plasmoids for system monitoring alone are simple to set up and useful. Yes, I know there are standalone alternatives. Some things (imo) aren't worth optimising.
But to each their own - I'm sure someone will be all into "debloating" like the author.
gen2brain
I do not give up on my openbox. I use it with LxQt. Now there is a Labwc, similar to openbox. It uses its XML spec for config and is similar. But I am still on X until all issues are resolved. Can I use openbox on KDE now? It used to be possible, I can choose WM in LxQt. Back then every WM had a --replace option.
LargoLasskhyfv
IceWM got some nice updates in the last few years. I preferred it over Openbox and Fluxbox.
hulitu
> cool if you want to stay with 30-year-old desktops like fluxbox, but I'm not about to give up my KDE when I have plenty of ram to spare
KDE is slow. Fvwm is much faster.
LargoLasskhyfv
Hrrm. That may still be the case, but on modern systems it doesn't really matter anymore. By modern systems I mean anything since about 2010 with enough RAM. On such systems, even end-of-life/support Intel Kaby Lake Core-I5/7(t(35Watt)) with 4 or 8 cores, and 32GB RAM I couldn't care less about Plasma(KDE), even when they are downclocked to 800Mhz mostly.
On more modern systems even less so.
I'd like to see a demonstration of that fastness, which translates into tangible usability benefits. Not some synthetic microbenchmarking shit.
I tried it, because I still know FVWM2. Was refreshing for a while, felt good because I still could 'do it', but that's it.
The only things I can imagine profiting from it would be running stuff which is at the limit for your physical RAM, where every wasted Megabyte decides between swapping to death, or running through smoothly. But then there is IceWM, which is good enough for such cases. With the exception of FVWMs excellent handling of large virtual desktops.
cbondurant
> For lightweight WMs there are lightweigh compositors exists.
I think that if you're going to take a holier-than-thou, software purity and perfection stance. You probably should make sure to proofread.
If you're gonna be judgemental about other peoples stances and refuse to admit to the existence of such a thing as a "reasonable tradeoff". Talk down to your audience with section headers titled "Compositor (no, not that thing from Wayland)". Maybe make sure what you've written is actually correct.
gen2brain
Does FreeBSD even support Wayland? I heard that there is some work.
eikenberry
Yes, they have official docs on how to set it up and use it.
https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/wayland/
Here's a 3 year old article going through their freebsd/wayland setup, so it seems like it's been supported for a while now.
https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/example-tutorial-pure-way...
How much of this wonderful legacy configurability is supported by Wayback (https://www.phoronix.com/news/Wayback-0.1-Released), so that we can still do this stuff as Wayland replaces X11?