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The rise and fall of the Hanseatic League

junon

If you are ever in the Hamburg area, I highly recommend making a day trip with the Regional train up to Lübeck to visit the Hanse Museum.

It's one of the most beautifully designed museums on a specific topic like this I've ever seen (it's also very accessible). The entire museum and all of its stations are translated into various languages by scanning a card you set up at the beginning, including customizing your information experience with certain topics you're particularly interested in (I chose naval architecture, if memory serves).

There's a cute coffee shop or two right there in the complex too, and the entirety of Lübeck is a beautiful, cozy area too. Many of the old Hanseatic buildings still stand as they were relatively untouched by the war.

Another hour in the same direction on the train takes you to the Travemünde beaches which are also gorgeous. Makes for a good day trip.

dgan

"Patrician II/III", anyone ? my favorite game when i was kid, second only to Civilization

weinzierl

I enjoyed "Die Fugger" a lot. Unfortunately it never saw the success of "The Patrician".

The following funny little side story might have contributed to that:

The game's publisher Sonflower was sued by a descendant of the Fugger family because they claimed the game puts the name of his family in a bad light. They won and "Die Fugger II" could not be sold anymore. "Die Fugger III" appeared under the name "Die Gilde".

p_l

Oh, didn't know the game I know as "The Guild" had a longer past.

It had 2 more sequels after Die Gilde, in fact.

fleischhauf

die Fugger, best Game of my childhood! thanks for the reminder!

spankibalt

The first title of the series either came bundled with my first sound card, or I bought it separately at the same time.

SilasX

When I was an exchange student in Germany, the host family had Hanse: Die Expedition[1] on their computer, which they explained to me but I also had to kind of feel my way through, not being completely fluent in German. You'd play as a merchant, sending out salt to other ports to trade for goods. Each turn was a year, and it would go through many generations, the goal being to contribute enough from your profits to build a cathedral.

Other things I remember:

- When you'd die, you'd pick an heir from your kids. They would be described as (sometimes you were supposed to understand as) being skilled at either fighting, exploring, or trading. If you didn't have an old enough one to pick, you'd have to pay a lot for some godparent to take over in the interim.

- You could raise capital by selling shares in your operation, but the more shares outstanding, the more interest (Zinsen) you'd have to pay. (You could also buy them back, but they'd be more expensive when you had a good year.)

- If you couldn't pay your obligations, you'd lose a turn to the Schuldturm (debtor's prison, lit. "debt tower").

- You could send explorers to find more lucrative ports, Novgorod being a good one.

- Depending on the weather, you might lose ships. Sometimes you wouldn't want to send any out, in which case it would warn you, "Keine Koggen auf der See! Zug wirklich beenden?" ("No cogs[2] on the sea! Really end turn?")

- You would get random events each turn, one of them being a soothsayer that would offer to predict your fortune. They would then give you the option to pay for extra advice, which would always be "Don't trust charlatans!"

- As your empire expanded, you'd be promoted in rank, some of the higher ones being Senator or Patrician.

- There would be battles, as nobles would sometimes attack your ports.

[1] https://www.mobygames.com/game/9273/hanse-die-expedition/

[2] A kind of ship used back then (also mentioned in the article as replacing the Knarr): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cog_(ship)?useskin=vector

thatspartan

Ahh, half-timbered houses, parties and pirate hunting. It was a nice day when GoG put it up as one of their good old games.

alecsm

I wanted Imperium III and I got Patrician III by mistake. I didn't know how to play it at first as it wasn't your typical strategy game but after a while it became my favorite game.

I ended up controlling the whole Hanseatic League from Lübeck.

Good times.

dgan

Lübeck wasn't even the "best" for anything

i distinctly remember the "beer from Gdansk -> Textile from Malmo -> sell everything in Lübeck" route

mosferatu

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ecshafer

There is a great podcast, The History of the Germans, that have a season on the Hanseatic League. Its a great podcast if you enjoy history in general, the host isn't a professor or anything, but he does a great job with research and also makes interesting connections with how certain events were interpreted by German Nationalists, Fascists, Modern Day, etc. which is interesting.

https://historyofthegermans.com/hanseatic-league/

dr_dshiv

Hansa wasn’t a democracy or an autocracy — in my understanding, it was an entirely consensus-based organization. At the Bremen town hall, I learned about the tagfahrt, where they would wait for the representatives to come to consensus. Once they started the meeting, it would continue for days until they actually reached consensus.

nabla9

Just like European Council or NATO.

In European Council proposal will only be adopted if all member states are in agreeance. Formal voting does not take place, the member states deliberate until they reach general agreement.

NATO is the same. Any Article consultations like Article 4, or 5 end with consensus. One country can water it down.

Consensus based does not mean equal. Big participants usually throw their weight around a lot.

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funnymunny

I would HIGHLY recommend visiting Visby (and Gotland, Sweden in general) for anyone interested in this sort of history

perihelions

There's a remarkable painting depicting that (Hanseatic-era Visby). I'd always been fascinated by the hats.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valdemar_Atterdag_holding_Visb... ("Valdemar Atterdag holding Visby to ransom, 1361")

wood_spirit

In the battle the local farmers resisted the Danes as they retreated to the walls of the town where the townsfolk didn’t let them in. They were slaughtered and then the townsfolk surrendered. The mass graves of the farmers have been a major archeological excavation.

woodpanel

looks like the urbanites always had a lack of compassion for the ruralites.

KingOfCoders

I live in an Hanseatic League city (Stralsund) and the city still owns lots of land and is a rich one, hundreds of years later (though insignificant today).

yu3zhou4

Same here with Gdańsk, Poland. You can see the same Hanseatic influence even in this he architecture

cenamus

I was amazed when I visited, you can see just how much it looks like other Hanse-cities, Bremen for example. Of course a lot of it is newly constructed/restored, because there wasn't much left after the German did their thing with Poland in WW2

KingOfCoders

And the Russians. For some reasons everyone seems to forget that the invasion of Poland (and other East European countries) was a joint operation by Germany and Russia (not to diminish any atrocities etc. perpetuated by Germans).

Especially in this case, because the city was also called Danzig before and (after various owners over the centuries, mostly Polish [0]) was co-owned-German (free city, German leaning because of ethnicity) at the time of WW2. Destruction should then have been (haven't verified that) by the Red Army (again not to diminish any German war crimes - also [1]).

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gda%C5%84sk

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Westerplatte

zurfer

Little nitpic, Gdansk was a free city, neither Polish nor German when nazis annexed it in 1939. Most of the destruction happened in 1945 because of fighting with the red army.

Bridged7756

I thought of the Hanza from the Metro books. I guess my European history knowledge isn't that great.

eatonphil

Hamburg is mentioned in the article but not shown on the map?

webslung

If you’re interested in merchant trade especially on the sea, explore the history from 970-931 BCE. It’s incredibly interesting.

nkzd

Any specific recommendation? I'd like to watch a documentary on it.

hnthrowaway3000

Found some:

History Channel Documentary - King Solomon And The Queen Of Sheba https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VE9-6kHW6Q

The Priceless Treasure Of The Queen Of Sheba | Myth Hunters https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Tpoz1rGuM

The Story of the Queen of Sheba https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSPuFjFeuYQ

The Queen of Sheba's Mysterious Legacy (S2, E8) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq32h2zzg5o

Sheba: The Lost Kingdom of the Queen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySHMIeJW3lE

The Lost Gold of King Solomon (S1, E7) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjWG4geGLHQ

The Naked Archaeologist 206 - The Legacy of King Solomon Part 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGjETo2221k

The Entire History of the Phoenicians (2500 - 300 BC) Ancient History https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-p8OZz5KJoo

The Phoenicians: Princes of the Sea https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLHj1n9VTdI

History of the Phoenicians: The Maritime Superpowers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mU4aU5yoyp4

Revealing a Lost Mediterranean Civilization from the Levant to Spain https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rmp-d6XhQjM

The Quest For The Phoenicians https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBObLQZdeq8

Quest for the Phoenicians (National Geographic Documentary) https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9hsjf8

The Phoenicians Before Columbus Expedition | WYL Ep. 201 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcnYtAqn0iw

Phoenicians Before Columbus - Video for the Explorer's Club NY https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-jjFiiosh7A

Ancient Egypt - When Egyptians Ruled the Sea | FD Ancient History https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGTXqmbM-0w

When Ancient Egyptians Ruled the Sea https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RMuyEyCDTw

Sea Peoples: The Ancient Warriors Who Challenged Egypt https://www.youtube.com/shorts/i0XTCjjg3mQ

Sea Peoples and the Bronze Age Collapse https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CB7bo4f6E8

1177 B.C.: When Civilization Collapsed https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=M4LRHJlijVU

The Minoans | Ancient Worlds https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VJqnTlbCS0

The Surprisingly Sophisticated Conveniences of Mycenae https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VmObzEWIEA

Ancient Sailing Ships from Bronze Age Scandinavia https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aFoy25t_Ns

The Nordic Bronze Age: Best Time to Ever be Alive https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_yKrkna1Dc

Lost Worlds of the Mediterranean | Drain the Oceans https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmH4FDs3yl0

Explore the Hidden Wonders of Jordan and Iran with Christopher Clark https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeF_Y4OU9ow

dr_dshiv

Man I hate to ask for a non-video resource after your link generosity, but if you know one, I’ll be that guy.

m0d0nne11

Firstly, the article is appreciated - thanks. Now a minor gripe: several links I've clicked for further info point at paywalled matter, even for straightforward explanatory stuff like "moldboard plows" and, yes - I can go find info about such plows elsewhere but it breaks the stride when all that's needed is a sentence or two for clarification, not somebody's curated PhD thesis... ;->