Tesla Q2 2025 Update [pdf]
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·July 24, 2025GodelNumbering
bryanlarsen
Despite all the bad news and missteps, Tesla is still profitable with tons of money in the bank. Lots of room to turn things around. The company is not going away any time soon.
That trillion dollar market cap, OTOH? That seems super vulnerable.
wredcoll
How much profit is from carbon credits?
bryanlarsen
Carbon credits aren't profit, they're revenue. You have to ship a car to claim the credits, they're not free money.
akmarinov
$500 million
saaspirant
No wonder they have opened a showroom in India
decimalenough
Teslas are stupidly unaffordable for the average Indian, especially with the 100% tariff currently in place for non-Indian car imports.
There has been talk for years of Tesla opening a local factory, but this remains just talk.
freeopinion
I doubt that Tesla intends to market to the average Indian. I'm not sure it has reached out to the average American, yet. I think it has, but only at the bottom of its target market.
spacemadness
Teslas are unaffordable for the average American as well. Assuming we consider buried in debt for 5+ years unaffordable.
akmittal
Tesla model Y starts at 70,000 USD in India. In india they wont sell well till India reduces import duty and they have price around 30-35K USD
TheAlchemist
The only reason the showroom in India was opened, is for Tesla influencers to pump it on Twitter.
rtkwe
I'm surprised the product backlog is so thin and I'd love it if they had broken that out. Months back there were seemingly huge backlogs of Cybertrucks piling up all over the place for example and I wonder if they are still piling up.
toomuchtodo
https://electrek.co/2025/07/02/tesla-confirms-cybertruck-sal...
> Tesla has confirmed through its delivery report that Cybertruck sales have now dropped to ~5,000 units per quarter.
> After planning for a production capacity of over 250,000 units per year, Tesla is currently selling the pickup truck at a rate of ~20,000 units annually.
barbazoo
Was Cybertruck supposed to be a Mars vehicle first and consumer car second or vice versa or not related at all? I’m imagining Musk seeing the need for a Mars vehicle and gambling that maybe people on earth will like it too. In that context the whole debacle seems less severe.
SoftTalker
Because it’s a ridiculous looking vehicle and not really practical as a truck. On top of that all the Elon hate.
rtkwe
I know why it's happening I just wonder how long their inventory tail has grown at this point or if they have scaled back production to the point it's not threatening to take over every random parking lot in the nation.
financetechbro
@dang - why did my other comment asking about hallucinations get flagged? It was a genuine question
mixdup
The buried lede I hadn't seen in any headlines on the business news websites: 89% decrease in free cash flow. Ooof
TheAlchemist
And this is *before* the regulatory credits went away 3 weeks ago, and *before* 7500$ / car subsides go away end of September. In Q3 Tesla will start seriously bleeding money.
mgiannopoulos
Do you mean Q4? Q3 will probably have good numbers due to people rushing to take advantage of the EV credit.
jjfoooo4
Wouldn't that behavior already be reflected in these numbers?
TheAlchemist
Thing is, Tesla is not making much on each car they sell now, given how many discounts they need to offer. They were making a lot of money on regulatory credits, but these are likely to be gone already (in theory the companies should continue to buy them, but the Bill signed by Trump removes any penalties for not doing so effective immediately).
So yeah, sales may jump in the US (and will continue to crater in EU and China), but that won't do much for their profits. It can only help 'move the metal' as they say.
DoesntMatter22
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breve
The business is suffering. Tesla has seen a large fall in European EV market share:
https://eu-evs.com/marketShare/ALL/Groups/Line/All-time-by-Q...
The decline corresponds with Musk interfering in European politics and performing fascist salutes at a political rally. Europeans aren't on board with swasticars.
The brand damage Musk has done can only start to be repaired after he leaves Tesla. The bad reputation is going to stick until then.
DoesntMatter22
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mixdup
I mean the business is suffering as all measures of profit and revenue have also dropped. They may have also increased capex, but doing that at the same time as income is cratering is not necessarily sound financial decision making. Especially when that capex is in "new" lines of business like AI that are unrelated to the manufacture of automobiles
cyberge99
And they increased spending in R and D. Gotta still be able to buy fancy toys and gadgets to play with.
cyberge99
Did I miss the applied part of their primary goal “to procvide affordable vehicles”.
akmarinov
They have 5 models that they sell, but only 2 are available to order in Europe, lol
7e
And 0 models are desired by European buyers.
2OEH8eoCRo0
When does pumping that stock up go from fiduciary duty to fraud? Musk is bad for the company yet Musk as CEO props up the meme stock. Is it fraud to keep on Musk then?
e40
Who would have thought that alienating yoyr target market could impact sales??
I hope the purchase of twitter and the subsequent leverage he has on politics and government is worth it. /s
darth_avocado
You’re not supposed to bite the hand that feeds you? surprised pikachu face
cyberge99
He literally alienated BOTH American political constituencies.
DoesntMatter22
Realistically the biggest thing that's impacting their ability to sell their cars is high interest rates.
The company still has 37 billion in cash on hand and has a great backlog of products.
neogodless
https://www.automotivedive.com/news/gm-nissan-ford-tesla-bmw...
At least in the U.S., the big 3 (Toyota, GM, Ford) all showed Year-over-year growth of automotive sales in Q2.
https://www.coxautoinc.com/market-insights/q2-2025-ev-sales/
Pretty interesting chart to be seen here. Why are interest rates affecting Tesla more than any other OEM?
SoftTalker
OEM financing has little relation to interest rates. I’m still seeing offers of zero percent financing on new cars.
DoesntMatter22
From what you linked, Audi is down 19%, Rivian down 22%, Volkswagen down 20%. Audi and Rivian are both luxury brands and so is Tesla. Rivian is also a higher end car brand and they are getting cooked, down far more than Tesla, and don't suffer any of the Elon stigma.
The brands you mentioned are bargain brands. Tesla is a luxury vehicle. Answer seems pretty obvious. Also Tesla is not generally going to sell to apartment renters very often as there typically are not places to charge, so I personally think part of it is that there is a diminishing pool of possibile customers.
A lot of bad news
- Total revenue fell by 12% year-over-year (16% contraction in the core automotive segment)
- Operating margin fell to just 4.1% (was 6.3% a year ago)
- For a second straight quarter, production significantly outpaced deliveries. Global unsold inventories now at 24 days of supply (was 18 days a year ago)
- Free cash flow collapsed by nearly 89.1% to just $146 million
source: https://www.signalbloom.ai/news/TSLA/teslas-q2-revenue-drops... (disclaimer: I run this)