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The United States withdraws from UNESCO

nsypteras

1984: U.S. withdraws. 2003: U.S. rejoins. 2011: U.S. stops paying dues after Palestine joins. 2017: U.S. announces withdrawal (effective end of 2018). 2023: U.S. rejoins, pledges to repay dues. 2025: U.S announces withdrawal

Seems to be a revolving door

rjzzleep

They're getting ready to bomb Iran's UNESCO sites. They did bomb several UNESCO sites in Yugoslavia and other places while they left. Their boy Grossi also told the whole world that there is a big target on a UNESCO site a short while back.

selimthegrim

Which site in Yugoslavia did they bomb?

dmix

NATO bombings damaged a Kosovo (post Yugoslavia) church in 1999 that was later added to UNESCO in 2006

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gra%C4%8Danica_Monastery

whynotmaybe

History mismatch/Mandela effect? Some of the bombed sites were already known as culturally significant but not recognized by unesco yet, like Novi Sad that became a unesco creative city in 2023.

rs186

Makes me wonder if officials at UNESCO even cares about the decision. "Oh that again?" Probably already used to this.

rgblambda

Similar to the Israeli ambassador being recalled from Dublin. They mean it as a big dramatic statement but they've done it that many times it's lost all significance.

She only gets reinstated again for the purpose of making another dramatic exit.

lawlessone

They always send their most incompetent ambassadors to Dublin, ones that put their foot in their own mouth.

SllX

They’re never happy about the loss of money. For UN institutions, the US usually contributes a theoretical cap of about 22% but in real terms I think it’s more like a quarter of their annual budget or a little over in some cases. When we’re not paying, that’s a lot of money that UNESCO isn’t getting.

overfeed

Predictably, if/when China becomes the premier funder of UN organizations, there will be a lot of grousing about it by US politicians. The amount of soft-power being trashed is astounding

yencabulator

  1984 withdraw Reagan
  2003 rejoin   Bush
  2011 protest  Obama (forced by law)
  2017 withdraw Trump
  2023 rejoin   Biden
  2025 withdraw Trump
Kinda tracks, except for the Bush one.

bad_haircut72

If you abandon it completely something else might rise up - but funding/participating only up to a point, it works to suppress it - see Ukraine aid policies aswell

Tostino

Look at the years, and see how they match up with the administration in power...

paulddraper

Tbf, if you remove the Biden 2023 pledge, the rest makes sense:

In the two decades between 1984 and 2003, UNESCO implemented a number of reforms in management+transparency+politicization, and the U.S. returned.

Then Palestine was admitted, and the U.S. left.

DSingularity

Cycle of politician appeasing their genocidal masters until the government start to realize what that means exactly at which point we pull back to humanity.

cooper_ganglia

Obama withdrew all US funds from UNESCO in 2011 as well, due to Palestine being admitted in. This isn't anything particularly noteworthy, just more capitulating to Israel, which is annoying.

braiamp

"In 2011, the United States stopped funding Unesco because of what was then a forgotten, 15-year-old amendment mandating a complete cutoff of American financing to any United Nations agency that accepts Palestine as a full member. Various efforts by President Barack Obama to overturn the legal restriction narrowly failed in Congress, and the United States lost its vote at the organization after two years of nonpayment, in 2013."

https://web.archive.org/web/20220503183152/https://www.nytim...

tavavex

> 15-year-old amendment mandating a complete cutoff of American financing to any United Nations agency that accepts Palestine as a full member

As a non-American, doesn't this seem a little ridiculous to some people in the US? This screams of a kind of melodramatic, overdone theatrics that the US doesn't seem to do to anyone else. I get that the US has a lot of Israeli money/investments/customers and extremely religious people, but even then, why is it going this far to enshrine their relations to specific states in their laws? It ends up coming off as the US bowing on their knees to relatively minor nations on the other side of the world.

JumpCrisscross

> melodramatic, overdone theatrics that the US doesn't seem to do to anyone else

Iran and North Korea. China with Taiwan. This is deeply precedented geopolitical drama.

> It ends up coming off as the US bowing on their knees to relatively minor nations

If Israel and Palestine are your issue, of course. (Everything will tend to be. This is just how pet causes and the availability heuristic work.) If not, it doesn’t.

naniwaduni

Not really? The US does its diplomacy substantially by shuffling money around. Writing a conditional into law is how a legislative body expresses a formal commitment. That's business as usual.

The continued existence of these particular laws in 2011 was, in any case, more a convenient excuse to do something they didn't not want to do anyway, than something that couldn't be changed if political will went the other way. It's just a bit stronger of a commitment than the sitting president's whim, which is also a thing that happens.

Perhaps the disconnect is that the US actively engages in foreign policy at all?

unclad5968

Not really. It's just the way it works here. If it's enshrined in law, it makes it harder for one person or small group to make a unilateral decision, similar to how things are happening here now.

paulddraper

I think it has more to do with terrorism and anti-Western sentiment than with religion.

I expect the same treatment for Iran and North Korea.

cma

There is also a US law banning military aid to Israel since they have nukes outside of the NPT. Pakistan got an exception after a deal with their cooperation in the war on Terror.

pkilgore

Obama didn't do anything (other than follow the law at the time):

https://web.archive.org/web/20141224180231/https://foreignpo...

cooper_ganglia

Sure, it was a Democrat president enforcing laws passed by a Democrat-controlled House and Senate in 1990 and 1994, under at least one Democrat president.

There are no real "sides" when it comes to the U.S. and Israel. Every party bends the knee and kisses the wall. It’s one big club, and we’re not in it.

rafram

> It’s one big club, and we’re not in it.

I’m not sure what you’re trying to imply here, but like it or not, most Americans do support Israel.

csours

Excuses and explanations can feel the same. I do not intend this to be an excuse, but a partial explanation. Before the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin, there was a feeling of a possibility of peace in some form; in this context, those laws could be viewed as the stick of a carrot and stick approach.

At this point in time, you can make your own determination about how that has worked out.

pkilgore

I never made inaccurate claims about those things!

ajross

Did you... look up the override votes that failed in 2011 to see what the partisan breakdown was?

I know it makes you feel good to imagine a world of enemies, and "every party bends the knee and kiss the wall" is some top notch imagery. But in the real world you have allies in this particular fight, and working against them is in fact doing the opposite of what you claim to want.

tolerance

So would it be fair to say that this is just a reiteration of a 30+ year-long trend.

Edit: 40+ year-long trend?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44648359

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=pst.000012506323&seq=...

hackyhacky

The is a good point: the decision was made by Congress, not by Obama. Although I disagree with that decision, that is the correct way to make it. Now, Trump is withdrawing unilaterally, without Congressional approval.

Remember when presidents followed the law?

CWuestefeld

I've been complaining about the increasing power being ceded to the Presidency, like, forever now. This isn't specifically a GOP or DEM thing, it's been happening consistently at least since FDR, and probably even beyond that.

That said, the one area where the Constitution really does give the President a fairly free hand is in foreign policy.

saelthavron

Was the law repealed?

nonethewiser

You seem to be conflating two things. That Obama was bound by law to withhold funds, and that the president cannot leave UNESCO unilaterally. The president in fact can just withdraw as the commander in chief and head of foreign policy, and they have withdrawn already in 1984 (Reagan) and 2017 (Trump).

EasyMark

I really wish we weren't a puppet state of Israel. What they're doing in Palestine currently turns my stomach. It's one thing to get your people back after the horrible attack from Hamas, it's another to mow down people who are just trying to get food with a submachine gun.

insane_dreamer

> mow down people who are just trying to get food with a submachine gun

not to mention that Hamas was supposed already destroyed 6 months ago

Tiktaalik

Thanks for reminding us that Obama also sucked.

kennywinker

The US is complicit in the intentional starvation of gaza’s people by israel. At least 15 people have starved to death in the last 24 hours, including an infant.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/israel-gaza-war-hunger-childre...

Ragequitting UNESCO over their recognition of palestine is a small part of the project of supporting the ethnic cleansing of gaza and the west bank.

lbrito

This must be the UN headquarters. Flags everywhere.

ActorNightly

For whatever reason, the Palestine/Israel conflict causes people to just stop being rational. Like, the facts are there, both parties attack each other as part of the conflict throughout history, but for whatever reason, people really want to pick sides on this one, and Im not sure why.

Its not the genocide aspect - there are other genocides that are happening (Myanmar for example) that don't cause this reaction. Don't think its anti antisemitism either, as you don't see a lot of narratives that come with traditional rhetoric of that type.

Whoever is pushing media out on this is must have figured something out in the format to make people this polarized.

austin-cheney

Nobody has been able to explain to me how the Israel/Palestine issue is fundamentally different from the Serbia/Bosnia/Kosovo issue of the 1990s. Its weird the mental gymnastics people will go through to qualify any position in either of these events.

aprilthird2021

> there are other genocides that are happening (Myanmar for example) that don't cause this reaction

Because the biggest world superpower that claims to be all about "freedom" is the sponsor of this one, not a rogue, sanctioned state somewhere

AnimalMuppet

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skybrian

A big difference is that in 2022, an estimated five million Ukrainian refugees fled to other parts of Europe - which is more than twice as large as Gaza's entire population. Similarly, many Syrians fled the war there.

We could ask why there aren't more Palestinian refugees who fled to other countries? As far as I can tell, leaving Gaza is very difficult, and nobody really talks about making it easier.

tguvot

it's not that it's hard to leave gaza. it's just nobody willing to accept gazans. and trumps plan that talks about voluntary migration out of gaza is been described as genocide and ethnic cleansing (btw, 75% of them actually registered as refugees by unrwa for past many decades)

i never saw anybody been against migration of population out of war zone to safety. in case of ukrainian refugees it was widely discussed that people need to get to safety and entire europe helped.

kennywinker

Does UNESCO not recognize ukraine?

What action would you like them to have taken to prevent deaths in ukrain?

I called the US complicit, not unesco.

AnimalMuppet

I know you did. I'm saying that, by your standards, UNESCO is complicit, because they are not doing enough to stop the war in Ukraine. (See other comments about how focused they are on Palestine as opposed to Ukraine.)

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ASalazarMX

That's an amazingly obtuse distinction to make about an area that is being systematically starved.

I don't know, maybe you think they're eating too much fast food or sugary drinks? Probably they need to make more exercise, right?

tguvot

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kennywinker

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dismalaf

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lawlessone

Israel consistently "accidently" kills journalists and doesn't allow them in. It's blocking various UN and aid orgs.

So there isn't anyone else to rely on for statistics here.

esseph

Israel has become what it had done to it. It's very sad.

dismalaf

Nice way of ignoring my whole comment.

kennywinker

It’s wild to question numbers, but not question the country preventing independent verification of those numbers.

You can be skeptical of the gaza MoH all you want, but unless you’re demanding independent verification you’re just enabling what we have to assume is a genocide.

dismalaf

Actual independent verification would be great.

Maybe even a coalition of peacekeepers to go in and control Gaza. Hamas could maybe even give up the rest of the hostages.

> have to assume is a genocide.

??? Guilty until proven innocent? In what world?

techright75

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SadTrombone

A "mess" of its own creation, considering Netanyahu propped up Hamas to sabotage the Fatah government.

aleckiefan

I mean this sincerely and with all due respect: can you please point me to sources where I can learn more about this?

eapressoandcats

Israel doesn’t have a plan to clean up the mess. What is the end goal here? Seriously. They’ve invaded and now what?

Options are: 1. Regime change, which I have seen no effort to attempt to effectuate 2. Withdrawal, which seems unlikely at this point. 3. Permanent occupation, which seems like the default. It may end up falling short of full genocide but it’s definitely violently upheld apartheid at a minimum.

If the third option is “cleaning up a mess” then that’s uh… pretty bad.

throw310822

Israel's plan is, and has always been, to settle the whole of ethnically cleansed Palestine. Their strategy in Gaza was to promote the mess (propping up Hamas, imposing life conditions calculated to fuel anger, dismissing any long-term truce offer from Hamas) in order to have the excuse to "clean it up". Now they're in the last phase of the clean up, they just have to resist the (weak) indignation of the EU and US leaders.

jjcob

What they mean by "cleaning up the mess" is killing, starving or displacing all Palestinians in the Gaza strip and developing Israeli settlements while simultaneously expanding into the west bank as well.

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mvdtnz

Israel has been open with their goal - the complete and total annihilation of Hamas. So yes, option 1, regime change.

lbrito

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austin-cheney

To the best of my knowledge the doctors running the health ministry did not kidnap anybody.

dlubarov

Some of the rescued hostages were held by a family that included a doctor (Ahmed Aljamal) and a journalist.

DSingularity

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ngruhn

For having an opinion you don't like? This attitude is tearing America apart.

ActorNightly

I find reaction of pro Palestine people to the Israeli/Palestine conflict where they make it extremely personal very interesting.

Where is the same energy for what is going on in US?

lupusreal

Genocide denial is a bad look.

DSingularity

He knows exactly what he is doing. That’s what makes this disgusting. He knows that 50.000 women and children dead is most likely a lower bound as there are likely hundred thousand plus buried under the rubble.

He also knows that his government is starving a million people to try to eliminate the 10.000 fighters that are surviving.

splintercell

If I accuse you of committing a genocide, you have no way of defending yourself if you in fact are not doing it?

kindkang2024

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kindkang2024

> To ask Palestine government to do anything meaningful, yes, they have done a lot

Yes, but still not enough, or its people's survival will not depend on the kindness of others. In my opinion, it's not a competent government, at least based on its performance so far.

bobnotbob

It's good that it borders not only Israel, but also Egypt. They can just walk over when they need help. If not for that pesky wall...

https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/13/middleeast/egypt-boosts-secur...

breppp

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taylodl

I understand the frustration with Hamas, but I think it's important to consider the reality on the ground. Most Palestinians in Gaza are unarmed, displaced, and struggling to survive under extreme conditions - with limited food, water, and medical care. Expecting them to rise up against a heavily armed and entrenched group like Hamas, especially while under bombardment, seems unrealistic. It's not that they don't want change - it's that they lack the means and safety to pursue it. I think we should be careful not to blame civilians for the actions of those in power, especially when they’re already suffering so much.

breppp

Maybe, but the entire story we are seeing here is supposed to be Palestinian armed "resistance against an occupation", willing to fight against a stronger enemy for almost a century now.

Why do you think in the at least six different armed groups in Gaza, there is not one ready to fight against the people who have effectively taken them hostages?

Why in the around half of million extended families of the 100,000 people associated with Hamas in Gaza, there is not enough political pressure to stop?

mixmax

a direct quote from the article you linked :

"The United Nations, the European Commission and major international aid organizations have said they have no evidence that Hamas has systematically stolen their aid, and the Israeli government has not provided proof.

aaronax

That (95,000 / 600 = 158 trucks) is actually much less than 500.

breppp

yes my bad, i posted the false figure, its actually 70 of food prewar according to the organization that allows the trucks entering in

https://x.com/cogatonline/status/1774174849650278480

500 is the trucks per day including building materials and industrial goods rather than only food

impossiblefork

>This is enough under international law to prevent Israel from passing any aid, as it works to assist its enemy's forces.

No. Article 54 of the additional protocol I (https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/ihl-treaties/api-1977/arti...) only allows destruction of objects etc. necessary for the sustenance of the civilian population if they are solely used for the members of the armed forces.

So even if Hamas stole the vast majority of the aid, as long as there is starvation, destroying it is forbidden.

breppp

I think you are quoting the wrong article, yours talk about attacking humanitarian aid, this one concerns free passage of food, is more relevant and it does not always apply

https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/ihl-treaties/gciv-1949/art...

this is complex however, https://lieber.westpoint.edu/siege-law/

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lawlessone

>Hamas steals the food given as aid

What food aid?

tylersmith

Someday computers will be able to do basic arithmetic and people will learn that 95000/600 < 500.

stahtops

Say it ain’t so- a right winger who is either intentionally lying or can’t do basic math.

Will it be someone else’s fault? Will they admit their mistakes and change their opinions? Or will they brush aside their published reasoning and say it doesn’t change anything. Check back at 11.

eddieroger

> UNESCO works to advance divisive social and cultural causes

I wish I could remember where I heard it, but someone once pointed out that the only difference between special interests and public interests was who said it. This feels like that.

DSingularity

I’m sure the British would have described the American revolution in similar ways.

Veen

We described it as tax avoidance and treasonous collaboration with the enemy we really cared about — the French.

zdragnar

Tax avoidance is using a loophole. Tax evasion is refusing to pay what is determined to be owed.

The modern difference is one comes with prison time.

tlogan

Sadly, these kinds of high-level decisions (which really do not matter in the grand scheme of things) only make it harder to combat real anti-Semitism: the real anti-Semitism is when people assume you need to move to Israel, and imply that you’re not a “real” American.

criddell

What are UNESCO's "divisive cultural and social causes"?

CGMthrowaway

If I had to guess (putting on a hat I don't usually wear):

Recognition of Palestine as a member state; resolutions referring to certain contested sites (e.g., Jerusalem's Old City, Temple Mount/Haram al-Sharif) primarily using their Arabic names; promotion of gender equality and LGBTQ+ rights, as well as support for comprehensive sexuality education (CSE) programs; emphasis on climate change action, including its designation of World Heritage Sites at risk due to global warming; alignment with the UN’s 2030 Agenda for Sustainable Development (specifically SDGs related to gender, education, and environmental goals); and advocacy for internet governance initiatives

Maken

They say it very clearly: acknowledgeing Palestinians exist.

Veen

You can acknowledge Palestinians exist without giving the terrorist Palestinian state equal status with other members of the community of nations.

DSingularity

The Israeli state was literally founded by terrorists. The leaders of those terrorist organizations were the first leaders of Israeli prime ministers and secretaries of war and so on.

supportengineer

Compassion, intelligence, generosity

duxup

Nobody hates god's children quite like the religious right in the US.

jzb

"Love the fetus, hate the mother and child"

DSingularity

You forgot standing up for justice. All those refugees and their children have a right to return.

BLKNSLVR

Something something don't launch missiles across sovereign nation borders something avoid blocking food aid something.

The ramblings of the anti-war set...

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freeone3000

The recognition and admittance of the State of Palestine.

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thaumasiotes

The announcement calls out two things, admission of Palestine as a member state and the Sustainable Development Goals.

The Goals are defined here: https://sdgs.un.org/goals

> Target 1.4: By 2030, ensure that all men and women, in particular the poor and the vulnerable, have equal rights to economic resources, as well as access to basic services, ownership and control over land and other forms of property, inheritance, natural resources, appropriate new technology, and financial services

> Indicator 1.4.2: Proportion of total adult population with secure tenure rights to land [...] [This goal seems to state that poor people should own just as much land as rich people. That's insane, but even ignoring that, the goal definitely states that renting is evil and everyone needs to own.]

> Target 1.b: Create sound policy frameworks at the national, regional and international levels, based on pro-poor and gender-sensitive development strategies, to support accelerated investment in poverty eradication actions

> Target 3.5: Strengthen the prevention and treatment of substance abuse, including narcotic drug abuse and harmful use of alcohol

> Indicator 3.5.1: Alcohol per capita consumption (aged 15 years and older) within a calendar year in litres of pure alcohol [In other words, the UN considers itself to be achieving this goal if people drink less alcohol than they used to. There is no indicator for problems caused by substance abuse.]

> Target 3.7: By 2030, ensure universal access to sexual and reproductive health-care services, including for family planning, information, and education, and the integration of reproductive health into national strategies and programmes

> Target 3.8: Achieve universal health coverage, including [...]

> Target 4.1: By 2030, ensure that all girls and boys complete free, equitable and quality primary and secondary education [...]

> Target 4.2: By 2030, ensure that all girls and boys have access to quality early childhood development, care and pre-primary education so that they are ready for primary education

> Target 4.5: By 2030, eliminate gender disparities in education and ensure equal access to all levels of education and vocational training for the vulnerable, including persons with disabilities, indigenous peoples and children in vulnerable situations

> Indicator 4.5.1: Parity indices (female/male, rural/urban, bottom/top wealth quintile and others such as disability status, indigenous peoples and conflict-affected, as data become available) for all education indicators on this list

> Target 4.7: By 2030, ensure that all learners acquire the knowledge and skills needed to promote sustainable development, including, among others, through education for sustainable development and sustainable lifestyles, human rights, gender equality, promotion of a culture of peace and non-violence, global citizenship and appreciation of cultural diversity and of culture's contribution to sustainable development

> Target 4.a: Build and upgrade education facilities that are child, disability and gender sensitive [...]

> Target 10.3: Ensure equal opportunity and reduce inequalities of outcome [...]

> Target 10.4: Adopt policies, especially fiscal, wage, and social protection policies, and progressively achieve greater equality

> Target 10.a: [we're still on the goal "reduce inequality"] Implement the principle of special and differential treatment for developing countries [...]

> Target 9.2: Promote inclusive and sustainable industrialization and, by 2030, significantly raise industry's share of employment and gross domestic product [If they really mean this, I'll admit that it swings the opposite way from what I would have expected. I have a suspicion that they don't want this to happen in developed countries. The indicators don't disambiguate. Either way it's a divisive cause.]

> Goal 13: Take urgent action to combat climate change

> Target 12.2: By 2030, achieve the sustainable management and efficient use of natural resources

> Indicator 12.2.1: Material footprint, material footprint per capita, and material footprint per GDP ["We want people to have less stuff."]

> Indicator 12.2.2: Domestic material consumption, domestic material consumption per capita, and domestic material consumption per GDP ["We want people to have less stuff."]

> Target 14.5: By 2020, conserve at least 10 per cent of coastal and marine areas

> Target 16.b: Promote and enforce non-discriminatory laws and policies for sustainable development

> Indicator 16.b.1: Proportion of population reporting having personally felt discriminated against or harassed in the previous 12 months

I wouldn't call this an ideologically neutral set of goals, no.

Target 16.1 seems fine, though I'm a little surprised they didn't use the "By 2030, end all [...]" phrasing.

braiamp

> I wouldn't call this an ideologically neutral set of goals

What would you call it? I mean, none of it sounds like something you can make a argument that it shouldn't be achieved at all. In fact, I would question the ideology of someone that wouldn't want to achieve those goals.

thaumasiotes

> I mean, none of it sounds like something you can make a argument that it shouldn't be achieved at all.

Really? I'm not sure you read the goals.

They state that renting is bad.

They state that alcohol consumption is bad, and the less it happens, the better the world will be.

They state that equality of opportunity is good, and - independently of that - that inequality of outcome is bad. This despite the fact that equality of opportunity necessarily causes inequality of outcome.

In particular, they state that all subgroups however defined must achieve exactly the same educational outcomes across all metrics.

The family policies are that children (a) should be avoided in general, but also (b) should spend as little time in the home as possible. What do you think are the prerequisites for primary education?

They state that the poor should enjoy all the same comforts, services, and economic security that the rich do.

They establish a fixed quota for nature reserves.

They state that everyone's standard of living should go down.

GordonS

UNESCO is against the US-backed Israeli genocide of the Palestinian people, and is against the theft of Palestinian land. That's it - they simply don't support murdering children.

ignoramous

> UNESCO is against the US-backed Israeli genocide ... they simply don't support ...

That means, per IHRA, UNESCO is anti-semitic. Makes sense as anti-semitism is a problem worth tearing all post WW2 diplomacy and institutions up.

zakum1

There is no role for the USA in multi-lateral organizations - the USA has made this clear for decades now - it should withdraw from all of them and let the rest of the world get on with creating a world that is based on the dignity of all people.

bix6

From 2023, the program and budget for 2024/2025 showing priorities etc.

https://unesdoc.unesco.org/ark:/48223/pf0000385118

yesfitz

And the US's contributions to the specific beneficiary countries/programs by Quarter: https://core.unesco.org/en/country/usa/contribution?biennium...

(Breakdown by beneficiary country & program is at the bottom of the page.)

braiamp

What I should be reading here? It's a very long document.

Urahandystar

Palestine was mentioned once in that document.

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JKCalhoun

"President Trump has decided to withdraw the United States from UNESCO – which supports woke, divisive cultural and social causes that are totally out-of-step with the commonsense policies that Americans voted for in November," White House spokeswoman Anna Kelly said."

I have come to think of UNESCO with regard to their World Heritage sites (I saw in the news that Neuschwanstein was just recently added), but one of my favorite science books when I was growing up I found was compiled by UNESCO, "700 Science Experiments For Everyone" [1]. I loved the way it showed you how to set up a modest "lab" with inexpensive (or found) things. Perhaps they were considering poorer communities/nations.

[1] https://archive.org/details/isbn_9780385052757

aarestad

"woke" deployed as a noun really rankles me. But then, I guess that's the point eh - own those snowflakes, nothing matters, lol.

ceejayoz

"woke, divisive cultural and social causes" is using it as an adjective. Causes is the noun.

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ablation

"We’re sorry, this site is currently experiencing technical difficulties. Please try again in a few moments. Exception: forbidden"

Seems about right.

fuzzylightbulb

This administration has zero ability to build or bring people together, able only to destroy what others have made. On the bright side, it isn't effective until December 31, 2026 so there is plenty of time to chicken out.

CGMthrowaway

Some history is called for here. The UNESCO issue extends far beyond Trump.

Under the Obama administration, the US stopped financing UNESCO in 2011(!) after it voted to include Palestine as a member state that year.

The Trump administration decided to withdraw fully from the agency in 2017.

The Biden administration rejoined UNESCO in 2023 and agreed to pay it $600 million(!) in back dues.

Now, the Trump administration is quitting it again.

ajross

The 2011 thing keeps getting cited in this thread, but it's wrong. The funding was cut because of what amounts to a booby-trap condition in pre-existing legislation. And they tried to get it overturned by it was blocked in congress.

In fact this is an almost perfectly partisan issue, and the 2011 canard is giving cover to some horrifying both-sidesism.

CGMthrowaway

That pre-existing legislation (which banned US financing of any UN agency that grants membership to Palestine) was signed by George HW Bush in 1990 and expanded by Bill Clinton in 1994, in both cases passed by Democrat-controlled Houses and Senates. So it's still "both-sidesism," whatever that is.

And for what it's worth I never mentioned nor was thinking about "two sides," just multiple distinct administrations. Partisanship wearies me (and the parties have changed a lot over the last 20-30 years)

echelon

> it isn't effective until December 31, 2026 so there is plenty of time to chicken out.

That's within the current administration. Unless a change in congress can prevent this, it's a done deal.

nozzlegear

I think they were alluding to Trump's now notorious penchant to flip flop and waffle on every decision he makes. It's why the TACO Trump meme sprang up and continues to be used in reference to him – Trump Always Chickens Out.

AnimalMuppet

Even if Congress changes hands in the 2026 election, they won't take office until early 2027.

throw0101b

> This administration has zero ability to build or bring people together […]

Someone observed a lot of stuff that Trump is doing is through Executive Orders because he really can't do deals. Of course when (some of) his desires overlap with (some of) others', we get:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Big_Beautiful_Bill_Act

which is mostly about implementing:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025

> […] so there is plenty of time to chicken out.

TACO:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_Always_Chickens_Out

* https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/06/02/dona...

(Being reliant on TACO may backfire at some point.)

BigJ1211

Ironically the claim about corruption also applies to this admin. (See crypto scams for access to the president, and the Epstein files promises for well-known examples)

I do agree with them that there is a 'rot' in these institutes. Though I don't know anything specific about the UNESCO that would warrant the withdrawal.

For institutes like the UN and UNRWA it does ring true however. It is wild to see claims of genocide where there isn't one and zero claims or calls for arrest when clear unambiguous genocidal massacres start taking place. UNRWA funded and run schools having theater classes where the children role-play murdering Jews is absurd and shouldn't be happening. (To name an example from before the 7th)

The UN should be setting a singular standard and holding everyone to account roughly equally. Not this clear and open corruption of its proclaimed principles. Whether it's in the main body or it's subsidiaries.

The current media and political landscape is a joke, there don't seem to be any standards. Frankly the future looks rather bleak. I really hope we can find to way back to 'common sense'. Good journalism, holding politicians to account and treating everyone equally, holding them to the same standards.

tmountain

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bm3719

Hegel, and later Sartre (but from a very different perspective), emphasized the importance of The Other, in the sense of the definition of the Self.

In short, by defining the other, one demarcates the boundary of the self and defines ones identity. Self-identity necessitates the other, in its self-conception and interdependence of the latter's existence. To be reductionist, what does it even mean to be oneself if there is no other?

tmountain

Political othering is the process of emphasizing differences between groups in a way that creates an "us vs. them" mentality, often leading to prejudice and hostility. It involves constructing an out-group as fundamentally different and inferior, thereby reinforcing the identity and perceived superiority of the in-group. This process can manifest in various forms, including racism, sexism, and other forms of prejudice, and it often fuels social and political conflict.

jpadkins

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msgodel

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johndoe90

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melson

The United States did that before, then rejoined