El Salvador Tells UN That US Has "Exclusive" Jurisdiction over Detainees
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·July 10, 2025anigbrowl
josefritzishere
I think the correct terminology here is "surprise factor zero."
southernplaces7
This is a surprise because?
All presidential administrations use mendacity to one degree or another, but The Trump government has elevated official, public lying to a new rate that would take a plane to hypersonic speeds if it were a fuel source.
spwa4
I'd argue compared to the UN itself the Trump administration is positively polite. Take the last few ICC incidents. South Africa and Mongolia have in the past 2 years publicly used the ICC for proceedings AND taken very, very, very public action ... to protect individuals convicted at the ICC against the court. And then there's Saudi Arabia, and allegedly India using diplomatic personnel as assassins.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwy527yex0no
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-33157407
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-65759630
There's another semi-country that has done a lot worse, even more publicly, but I don't want to turn this in the 20th Israel discussion.
When push comes to shove you have 3 groups at the UN:
1) the US, and to a much lesser extent France and UK, who are the only members of the UN security council that actually do anything to enforce UN principles. And frankly, they are generally attacked for doing so, and attacked when they decide not to.
2) there's countries that will provide lip service to UN principles but won't take action (and violate UN principles on a small scale themselves e.g. all European prison systems, oh and including Israel's and Canada's). Or who will, at most, provide small amounts of support to US efforts. I'd say this describes 80% of the EU, Canada, Switzerland, a few others. And of course, very publicly, it describes Israel. Israel definitely used to be in group 1, making significantly more than token efforts to support the UN, despite having no power in the security council. That hasn't stopped, but it gets sabotaged to the point of nonexistence.
3) countries who actively oppose UN principles, at the UN, in word and deed. This describes 20% of the EU (e.g. Hungary, Serbia, ...) and essentially everyone else (including security council members Russia and China, all muslim countries. Turkey used to be the exception, more in group 2, but not anymore, under Erdogan)
So you could as well say it's more of a case of the US joining the EU's style of politics. But many people would consider that offensive.
More general I would say it's the evolution we're seeing towards war. 5 years ago there were 3 active conflicts, and 100 "frozen" ones. 2 years ago there were 10 active conflicts. Now there are at least 30 active wars and increasing. Sadly, it isn't as simple as this being Trump's administration or any individual government's doing, in fact I am of the opinion that Trump's administration is trying to stop it, and on the other side Russia and China definitely deserve to be called out as a major cause. A lot of countries now sabotage international cooperation for political and ideological reasons rather than cooperate, with China's actions against shipping in the pacific (Taiwan, Philippines, Vietnam, even Australia at times) as currently as the worst example, but far from the only one (Russia, boycotts against Israel, ...), and it certainly seems like it's still getting worse. For 3 years now we're doing about 1 new armed conflict breaking out every 2 months.
It reminds me a lot of the pre-WW1 situation. Plenty of groups of countries that are belligerent as groups. EU/Turkey/Israel vs Russia/North Korea/Iran/"the non-aligned movement" who are doing trench warfare. US/Taiwan/Phillippines/Indonesia/Australia vs China. India vs Pakistan/Iran/Afghanistan. Muslim countries vs Africa. All of these groups have either constant naval warfare or entrenched warfare.
drivingmenuts
> Kilmar Abrego Garcia, whom the US accidentally shipped to El Salvador
Why does the media insist on calling this an accident? It was a mistaken act committed intentionally.
h4ck_th3_pl4n3t
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wordofx
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CamperBob2
Good thing (for the government, military, and police) that the Democrats have spent 100 years convincing themselves that only the government, military, and police should have access to decent weaponry.
It'll be a short war. Maybe the French will bail us out again.
forgotoldacc
Not taking any sides in this, but from a purely historical perspective: the US has a strong record against well-armed militaries. It has an endless losing streak against barely armed but very angry ragtag groups of peasants.
csomar
The cold war and war on terror are real and not just some ragtag peasants. People think modern warfare is some high tech shit but it’s just some dude in a basement making a bomb for the subway commute financed by a labyrinth of schemes and loosely controlled by adversary governments.
plugger
> It has an endless losing streak against barely armed but very angry ragtag groups of peasants.
Internationally. Domestically the US is 1 for 1 in this space as evidenced by the US Civil war.
tehlike
This won't be true, it's a gross exaggeration.
We will have elections in 3 years, and another 4 years after it.
darig
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pfannkuchen
Technically speaking, the rule of law was also abandoned to get us into the illegal immigrant situation in the first place. If rule of law was honored the entire time, we would have no problem.
It does feel a bit "rules for thee, but not for me".
cookiengineer
> Technically speaking, the rule of law was also abandoned to get us into the illegal immigrant situation in the first place. If rule of law was honored the entire time, we would have no problem. It does feel a bit "rules for thee, but not for me".
Abandoning the law because your counterpart did so isn't the morally correct thing to do. Our democracies are built on the principle that we have due process for people that were not upholding the law. That's literally how criminal courts work.
This is not the case in the US anymore. The people in those concentration camps did not have due process. No defense lawyer, no legal process, not even a judicative order by judges were upheld. Not by ICE, not by the people governing those camps.
If the legal process is abandoned, it's by definition an absolutist executive power.
The alien invasion excuse will only go so far. Maybe you should think about what happens when you run out of Latinos to blame, because nations that are built on fascist principles will need further demographics to blame, that's how they work. And we have a lot of historic evidence on what happens once those demographics run out.
Ar-Curunir
ICE enforcement has been on the rise since the first Trump admin including Biden’s presidency, and Harris promised to increase those enforcement actions. Both camps have been doing this bullshit, but clearly Trump is performing a fascist takeover of the US. If you can’t see that, I recommend going to an eye doctor.
pfannkuchen
I don’t really understand the team sport framing.
Whoever was in charge over the past N years did not uphold the rule of law with respect to humans moving across the border. I don’t really care what party they were from, it’s not relevant.
So whoever cares about fixing the problem is now more constrained in the fix than the people who allowed it to happen in the first place. That is kind of interesting, and I could understand how some people would feel justified in bending the rules to fix the problem.
This is rather significant because the US has maintained in court filings that El Salvador has jurisdiction and any action by the US would be a violation of that country's sovereignty: https://abcnews.go.com/US/trump-administration-appeal-order-...
It now appears the administration has been straight up lying to the court.