BBC staff: we're forced to do pro-Israel PR
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·July 8, 2025jaek
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strathmeyer
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gruez
>Wanting Israel to exist because the world has shown it will not allow Jews to be safe anywhere else does not make someone manipulated by a foreign power.
Is this an alt account? This is basically the exact wording as another comment flagged minutes ago.
crystal_revenge
You're seeing what you see all over the web: (badly imho) organized attempted to control public opinion. It's no different than the "50 cent army"[0] commentators and just as obvious to anyone paying attention. These are standard talking points regurgitated ad nauseam anytime certain topics come up. It was always inevitable that social media would devolve into this, but still sad to see it happen in so many places.
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nandomrumber
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jaek
It's possible to believe that both October 7th and the subsequent genocide of Palestinians are horrific.
It's the duty of the press to report on these horrors in an unbiased and impartial manner.
> You few bleeding heart lefties
Ad hominems aren't arguments, fyi
nandomrumber
Sorry, that was supposed to say “a few” not “you few”, dunno how I managed that.
Alive-in-2025
Yes, you are exactly right and I salute you for posting this. I believe the vast majority would say both of your thoughts here. Stop attacks and genocide on all. Hamas was awful on Oct 7, and the attacks on the innocent in Gaza, they are starving them are also.
jazzyjackson
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malnourish
You can be very much in favor of Israel the country existing, and even defending itself, while still being opposed to Israel's actions in Gaza.
I have not seen credible people call such a stance "being manipulated by the Jews".
bigyabai
You leapt to at least 3 conclusions in only two sentences. That's talent.
1. "The world" is too broad of an audience to indict.
2. "Anywhere else" does not necessitate the endless support of a rogue state.
3. Israeli statehood is a Zionist matter with a highly mixed opinion among Jews (especially under the current Likud admin).
Aeolun
How is it possible they influence so much of what happens in western politics, or at least how whole nations respond to their genocidal war anyway?
mikelitoris
The simple truth is there are a lot of zionists in powerful positions both in terms of governmental and monetary. Open wikipedia and look up cabinets and powerful people in US government since WW2. Pay attention to their ethnicity; even if half are zionists, that's a lot of people.
bigyabai
One theory is that an abundance of American Christians believe in dispensational premillennialism[0], which rebukes orthodox Judaism in the hopes of returning Christ. Many dispensationalists (including Issac Newton[1]) attempted to interpret the Bible as a function of divine will, and argued that the foundation of Israel is directly imperative due to the prophecy of Daniel. This seems to go against the majority orthodox Judaism interpretation that the Third Temple (as well as the return of Christ) is willed by God alone and not predetermined conditions that men can control.
It's a bit out-there, but unfortunately I can't write-off DJT accepting it all at face-value. He's got conspicuous in-laws and an awfully weird track-record writing policy for the Levant. A religious conviction to defend Israel on behalf of his savior seems to slot rather neatly into his internal belief system.
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premillennialism#Dispensationa...
epja
It's worth noting the BBC has also been accused of an anti-Israel bias including but not limited to airing a documentary produced by a Hamas linked individuals[1].
tareqak
From the article
> The only other BBC documentary which focused on the apocalyptic plight of the Palestinian people in Gaza was taken down as a result of a hysterical pro-Israel campaign - because the father of the child narrator’s son had a junior technocratic position in the Hamas administration. Irrelevant, given the narrator’s words were written for him by the documentary producers.
siegecraft
> the father of the child narrator’s son
this was confusing but I think it's supposed to just be "father of the child narrator." Also kind of weird they (the original parent link, it is in the bbc article) didn't name the documentary (maybe it's common knowledge to their audience?).
eddythompson80
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wzdd
The article mentions this.
epja
Apologies for the oversight. However I feel the author's phrasing "hysterical pro-Israel campaign" to downplay their concerns is telling.
YZF
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prisenco
Bob Vylan said "death to the IDF." He didn't call for the death of Israelis. It's the difference between saying "death to the RMP" in Ireland during the troubles versus calling for the deaths of British people themselves.
You can disagree with Mr. Vylan or that the BBC should have cut the broadcast but let's not misrepresent the situation.
thomassmith65
It's true the phrase, as he uttered it, is ambiguous.
Amusingly, he probably didn't intend for it to be ambiguous, since on a previous occasion he chose the wording "death to every single IDF soldier out there"
https://www.rte.ie/entertainment/2025/0702/1521558-uk-police...
TimorousBestie
As they say, a lie travels across the world before the truth can get its boots on.
YZF
Pretty much all Israeli serve in the IDF. He called for their death. The mental gymnastics. He chanted for death but he didn't call for the death of Israelis. Right. He also chanted "From the River to the Sea" which is another call for the death of Israelis and he had some other antisemitic content to add to that. But yeah, he's just a great guy and BBC just let him have a stage.
forgotoldacc
Wasn't it calling for death to a military force leading a campaign of total war, and not a death call against Israelis in general?
Like nobody would say "death to the Khmer Rouge" is a death call against Cambodians. It technically would be, since it was Cambodians in the Khmer Rouge who were killing innocent children, but it's a specific subset of Cambodians (the Khmer Rouge) and only those who were actually doing the killing.
troad
Yes, the coverage of this has been a weird one to watch.
How does this remark differ from what the Israeli government regularly says about the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, just as much an official body in Iran as the IDF is in Israel? No one, to my knowledge, would consider calling for the demise of the IRGC to be hate speech against Iranians. No one has ever shut off a live transmission of a Netanyahu speech because he advocated for violence against the IRGC.
(Not defending the IRGC here, they are ghouls. Just noting the intellectual dishonesty.)
tareqak
The second paragraph from your link says the calls were to the “IDF”.
engine_y
I read the article but not sure which pro Israeli editorials the BBC has published.
My experience is quite the opposite with BBC having a clear anti war stance.
molteanu
It's about the careful wording, about who gets to be on the spotlight, about who gets to call the other side a tyrant, an evil state, about saying things like "regime change" and no-one batting an eye. Slowly, but surely, you form an opinion as to who the bad actor is as you've seen or read about its bad behaviour (but not of the behavior of the other party)
Most interestingly, it's about who holds the microphone and is allowed to say whatever they want, unquestioned.
dmix
In a meta sense, yes, but in practice it’s mostly just a large collection of journalists and editors, real humans, working in a chaotic information space where there’s a large variety of angles and sources being put out at all times depending on the context.
It’s equally easy to cherry pick this sort of thing to build a narrative of some ulterior agenda. Especially given the high pace that news demands in the social media age.
What gets covered could simply be who a journalist happened to talked to the past week or what is trending on social media that will get clicks.
memonkey
> What gets covered could simply be who a journalist happened to talked to the past week or what is trending on social media that will get clicks.
Do you believe this with regard to what is happening in Israel/Palestine?
The chaos of information and what is truth is only bubbled up when 1) there's very few journalists in the area or 2) all the journalists are being killed or 3) there's no journalists and only special interests.
Consider that even if it was a "narrative" which at this point is controlled by social media, as it stands it seems to be: "these people are evil, they should be killed, sorry not sorry about the babies" or "these people are committing genocide, this bad."
chii
and that's why you don't listen to only a single source of news.
Find multiple, ideally both geographic as well as political alignment.
Learn to discern what is a fact, and what is opinion presented as fact, and learn to read critically - such as question if there would be any omissions, or misrepresentations of facts to make persuasions. Learn to dissect the works, such as dramatic music and literary methods of persuasion, and how it affects the reader's perceptions.
All of this was taught in highschool literary criticism classes - just on old books and such, rather than modern material. But the same exact lessons could've been applied. Except people merely either half-assed those classes and use cliff notes, or just straight skipped them - leading to today's world where most adults are unable to critically examine the media they consume.
trashtensor
> and that's why you don't listen to only a single source of news.
> Find multiple, ideally both geographic as well as political alignment.
Easy to say in the abstract, harder to do when many "credible" sources toe the line and the ones that don't are discredited as "state sponsored news" or worse.
theptip
A sin of omission, not commission.
> We believe the refusal to broadcast the documentary ‘Gaza: Medics Under Fire’ is just one in a long line of agenda driven decisions.
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jedimind
"Comprehensive new research finds the BBC coverage of Israel’s genocidal war on Gaza is systematically biased against Palestinians and fails to reach standards of impartiality.
Analysis of more than 35,000 pieces of BBC content by the Centre for Media Monitoring (CfMM) shows Israeli deaths are given 33 times more coverage per fatality, and both broadcast segments and articles included clear double standards. BBC content was found to consistently shut down allegations of genocide."
https://novaramedia.com/2025/06/16/bbc-systematically-biased...
tgsovlerkhgsel
The self-described mission of the Centre For Media Monitoring is "Promoting Fair And Responsible Reporting Of Muslims And Islam", so they might be slightly biased...
propagandist
Nice ad hominem.
I hope you apply the same skepticism when every other commentator on half the MSM channels is an IDF member or ex-member. Same goes for much of their staff.
jedimind
According to your own logic I should not even bother providing any evidence when you can simply assume any organization to be biased based on identity alone instead of addressing the evidence they provide, like the BBC operates under a Royal Charter agreed upon with the britsh government, "so they might be slightly biased..."
"Instead, the report says, the BBC’s coverage has involved the systematic dehumanisation of Palestinians and unquestioning acceptance of Israeli PR. This has allegedly been overseen by BBC Middle East Editor and apparent Binyamin Netanyahu admirer, Raffi Berg, who is accused by anonymous journalists of “micromanaging” the section." - https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/bbc-impartiality-trust-isra...
eddythompson80
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Daishiman
Imagine all the other things they have not published because even with what they've written, it's still pro-Israeli bias.
gruez
Coming from an outsider, the letter is frustratingly vague. The only concrete allegation is the pulling of the documentary "Gaza: Medics Under Fire", but without a statement from BBC explaining why they pulled it, it's basically impossible from an outsider to know whether censorship is indeed happening or not. The rest of the letter basically down to a he-said-she-said over bias/censorship happening. Owen's article doesn't really add much either, seeming to take everything at face value and then using that to slam the BBC. This is all great if you're already predisposed to think the MSM has a pro-Israel bias, but otherwise leaves you at least confused.
Is there another source that does a better job at substantiating the claim that BBC has a pro-Israel bias?
jedimind
"Instead, the report says, the BBC’s coverage has involved the systematic dehumanisation of Palestinians and unquestioning acceptance of Israeli PR. This has allegedly been overseen by BBC Middle East Editor and apparent Binyamin Netanyahu admirer, Raffi Berg, who is accused by anonymous journalists of “micromanaging” the section." - https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/bbc-impartiality-trust-isra...
"Comprehensive new research finds the BBC coverage of Israel’s genocidal war on Gaza is systematically biased against Palestinians and fails to reach standards of impartiality.
Analysis of more than 35,000 pieces of BBC content by the Centre for Media Monitoring (CfMM) shows Israeli deaths are given 33 times more coverage per fatality, and both broadcast segments and articles included clear double standards. BBC content was found to consistently shut down allegations of genocide." - https://novaramedia.com/2025/06/16/bbc-systematically-biased...
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YZF
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engine_y
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gruez
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t-3
>>It was also found to have attached “Hamas-run health ministry” to Palestinian casualty figures in 1,155 articles – almost every time the Palestinian death toll was referenced across BBC articles.
> Why is this an issue? In the Russsia-Ukranie war for instance, if you cite casualty figures from Russia, it's pretty obvious that it's from the Kremlin. The Gaza Health Ministry is actually Hamas run, and that fact isn't readily apparent.
Hamas is the legitimate government of Palestine. "Health Ministry" would be just as accurate and much less biased than "Hamas-run Health Ministry". The implicit accusation of bias against them by emphasizing the identity of the source is also extremely glaring when put into context; nearly every outside observer that's not an Israeli or US government organization to analyze the data and numbers has come to the conclusion that the "Hamas-run Health Ministry"'s number are an undercount.
hn-shithole
> How many people die in civil wars in Sudan or Congo, compared to how much coverage are they getting? Does that mean the BBC has a anti-Sudan bias?
Yes.
Animats
Better source: [1]
[1] https://www.theguardian.com/media/2025/jul/02/more-than-400-...
tareqak
The Guardian article does not have a link to the letter itself unlike the Owen Jones page.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1n3926pSPNwXd8j7I716CBJEz...
swoorup
The world has been a sad state of affairs since Covid. People in power need more power for themselves, view the world as a zero sum game, use coercion, deceiving, propaganda to achieve their goals, in this case a territorial expansion. Anyone who opposes the means it's currently being carried out is a anti-.... whatever.
aussieguy1234
The upvotes over time compared to the HN ranking of this post seems off.
There are other posts with less points, posted hours before this one, that are somehow ranked higher.
E.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44493196 is currently number one on HN, despite having less points and being much older than this post.
chvid
This goes on all over western media not only the bbc.
fyurule
Are BBC staff the last people to realise this?
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Liquix
since key players realized decades ago how much sway news outlets hold over public opinion, a vast amount of them have been co-opted to spread propaganda [0]. at least a dozen countries and probably more (including Israel) are tapped directly into the five/fourteen eyes [1][2] intelligence network, countries which share "raw sigint" [3] with each other and strategically disseminate international propaganda to the alliance's benefit.
watching or reading publications from any of these nation's news outlets is intended and virtually guaranteed to paint them all as the "good guys", and any other countries as "bad guys". just like BBC is doing here. this is not a conspiracy, it's all fairly well documented.
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UKUSA_Agreement#9_Eyes,_14_Eye...
[3] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/11/nsa-americans-...
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globalnode
murdoch empire, from zero to hero. also broligarchs are falling over themselves to own media companies. it doesnt take an einstein to see whats going on.
null
Sadly it seems like this is indicative of a broader trend in Public Broadcast in the west. In Australia we've seen similar internal criticism of the ABC of an anti-palestinian bias in reporting[1].
It's deeply concerning that these publicly funded media outlets are being co-opted and manipulated by a foreign power.
[1]https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/3/26/australias-abc-staf...