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Lightfastness Testing of Colored Pencils

smokel

I did similar testing with ball-point pens. Eventually I ran into the ISO 12757-2 standard on archival ink, thinking that it would be a great idea to use such pens for my intricate drawings.

Turns out the drawings, some of which I actually sold, faded into oblivion within about a year. After slightly more careful reading of the actual standard, I learned that the drawings were supposed to be archived, i.e. kept in a box or a drawer, and not to be framed for full-time viewing pleasure.

The typical blue ink in the famous BIC ball-point pens (i.e. non-ISO 12757) turns black after some time of sunlight exposure, which seems fine.

humblebeekeeper

As someone who is heavily tattooed, I'd LOVE to see this analysis for tattoo inks.

Fun fact: UV light makes tattoo particles smaller, which makes them easier for your lymphatic system to carry them to your lymph nodes. The particles are easy to transport into the lymph nodes, but difficult for your body to remove from your lymph nodes, meaning that for heavily tattooed people like myself, surgeries can be a potentially very colorful endeavor! (Or, if you have primarily black tattoos, it can be a spooky endeavor, I suppose.)

hoistbypetard

I really enjoyed reading this even though I have no direct interest in the lightfastness of the pigments in colored pencils.

It was just fun to see what someone who is deeply invested thought important to test, explain and research about something I'd have previously called a matter of aesthetic preference (as opposed to a thing you can benchmark).

sunrunner

> test, explain and research about something

There's more high quality engineering discipline in this 'non-engineering' article than in seemingly a lot of self-professed software engineering today ;)

ChrisMarshallNY

Heh. As a [former][0] artist (and musician), and an engineer, I can confirm that the Venn diagrams overlap, quite a bit.

Pigment color is a real heavy-duty field. There's a guy named Michael Wilcox[1] that is famous for his work on pigment color.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40917886

[1] https://michaelwilcoxschoolofcolour.com/about-michael-wilcox... (Has an annoying popup on every page).

sunrunner

Thank you for these links!

> Pigment color is a real heavy-duty field

I'm not surprised. As $DAYJOB involves a reasonable amount of requirements for colour accurate previewing in a print context I still feel like I'm never as sure about all steps of the colour pipeline as I should be, and this adds a whole new area to know I'll never feel like I know enough about.

wrp

I did this for colored mechanical pencil leads. Short answer, use the Staedtler Mars Micro Color if you need lightfastness.

sllabres

What a effort. I did something similar for some pens and different inkjet colors a long time ago, but not nearly as broad or as methodical. The inkjet inks (especially red) were already blown after a short time (>4 months). But black still holds up 20 years later till now, only a little bit faded, so one can see the tracks of each row.

Foils (laminate or adhesive foils) or protective spray (UV) did not change the result at all. But one film tore and gave the whole thing an interesting, crackle-like appearance. However, the colors all faded in the same way, whatever protective used compared to direct exposure to sunlight.

andrewla

I've noticed this as well -- at one point I had switched from Canon inkjet refills to a generic third party refills, and years later the photos from the knockoff have faded to an astonishing degree while the Canon ink prints look bright and vibrant.

Going through old photo albums that my parents have show a lot of fading as well, even though the pictures themselves were kept in photo albums in the dark for many years. We have negatives for some of those photos, which when scanned are bright and vibrant, but the prints vary significantly.

dylan604

uh-oh, did you just anecdotally confirm that buying first party inks is the better decision? careful, you might just confirm to the makers that their DRM policies are legit.

codazoda

Crazy amount of effort here. Awesome.

I did this for a single color from a single printer—the black toner from my Brother laser printer. I left it in my West facing office window for about 18 months. On the BACK SIDE I labeled it with pen. The pen on the back faded to almost nothing but the toner did not fade at all.

I did not do monthly scans, that would have been a better "experiment", but I was satisfied that a B&W laser print would last a very long time.

Maybe I should lightfast test my Brother Laser and my HP Inkjet (with Black Pigment based ink).

I thought that pigment based inks would be both waterproof and lightfast. Since I started to airbrush watercolor over my HP prints I am now very aware that these pigment based inks are not waterproof, even after long drying times.

dylan604

It's interesting how pink tends to be the worst of the colors according to the charts. I wonder what it really looks like on paper. Does it disappear completely so it is very hard to see, or is it just invisible in the data as it rounds to 0 but leaves something visible on the paper? If you did an image in pink duotone with the worst offenders, would you have a blank sheet of paper after 26 weeks? Or does it look like something done in white duotone?

ChrisMarshallNY

Red, in general, sucks.

Look at all the red-white-and-blue bumper stickers. They are usually white-and-blue.

Around here, we have school buses with a sticker on the back, announcing that they don't turn right on RED (with "RED" being in heavy letters, and colored red).

They frequently say that they don't turn right on.

gennarro

Very spammy images. Is this a legit resource? The test is interesting though 6 hrs/day in sunlight is very extreme for artwork.

Also I’m wondering is a fixer would help or hurt the testing. This is common with some art, like pastels.

humblebeekeeper

There's:

1 header image

1 image showing in process

1 image explaining lightfastness

3 images explaining the importance of lightfastness

1 image explaining the measurement process

1 image linking to another article diving much deeper into the methodology

1 image linking to another article on a different color pencil concern (layering)

1 image representing each brand-line's lightfastness

Every single one of those images seemed relevant to the concept presented and clarified something that would have been difficult to articulate succinctly in writing. For example, the "how was this measured" is a lot easier to understand once you've seen the grid of squares before and after than it would be to try and articulate the fading of colors in small squares in text.

There's LOTS of individual images on specific brands, but given their wild degree of variance, I think it's really useful to perceptually see what's going on with each one.

I'm curious, where do you feel the images were "spammy"? It's a conclusion I heartily disagree with, but would love to understand.

ethan_smith

Accelerated testing (6hrs/day) is standard practice in materials science - it compresses years of normal exposure into months while maintaining relative degradation patterns. Fixatives might alter results by adding UV inhibitors, but most artists want to know worst-case baseline performance.

hoistbypetard

What did you find spammy about the images? The ads for the artist's coloring books and calendars and such?

hinterlands

Although someone will challenge me on that, I'm 100% sure that large chunks of the text are AI-generated. That said, the website itself has been around at least since 2017 (the text just wasn't as verbose - e.g., https://sarahrenaeclark.com/diy-gift-bag/).

So, I suspect it's legit. It's a case of an author leaning on a crutch for writing, but we're here to judge the results, not the phasing.

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humblebeekeeper

Why do you think it's AI? It reads to me like someone who has a special interest and a data driven mindset.

I've seen plenty of people "rate every X" in youtube videos or blogs before, this one is just more data oriented than most.

hinterlands

First, it just reads that way. It's the default style if you ask ChatGPT to write a couple of paragraphs that explain why lightfastness is important.

Second, while I know there are reasons to be skeptical about AI text checkers, the author's earlier (less verbose) style doesn't get flagged at all, while the style in more recent articles gets classified as heavily AI-assisted.

ezconnect

She didn't even promoted a single pencil brand on the conclusion. She just shows the data and let the viewers decide.