New US visa rules will force foreign students to unlock social media profiles
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·June 18, 2025Zaheer
chasd00
Thanks for some actual information. I’m trying to find the directive to force student social media profiles to be public but can’t find anything yet. This article mentions everything in the wsj article that I could read (no sub) but makes no mention of requiring profiles be “public”. https://www.politico.com/news/2025/06/18/social-media-screen...
ddeck
>I’m trying to find the directive to force student social media profiles to be public but can’t find anything yet.
It's on all the US embassy sites, although it says "are requested":
Effective immediately, all individuals applying for an F, M, or J nonimmigrant visa are requested to adjust the privacy settings on all of their social media accounts to ‘public’ to facilitate vetting necessary to establish their identity and admissibility to the United States under U.S. law.
https://uk.usembassy.gov/visas/
https://ca.usembassy.gov/visas/
https://in.usembassy.gov/visas/
etc.
barbazoo
> However, criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic.
hearsathought
Does the DHS also screen for people who post anti-chinese, anti-russian, anti-canadian, anti-mexican, etc social media posts? Why screen for anti-israel comments only? I'm guessing they are not screening for anti-palestinian or anti-muslim posts.
Imagine if DHS said they are going to ban anyone who criticizes china or russia or saudi arabia from traveling to the US? Both the republicans and democratics would be raising hell. Why the silence when it comes to israel?
What Homeland is DHS securing? The US or Israel? Why is it that so much of our political class openly and unabashedly act like agents of israel? Doesn't matter who you vote for. Republican or democrat. As soon as they are elected, they all grovel for israel. How many wars are we going to fight for israel? How many american colleges are we going to attack for israel? How many people are we going to censor for israel? Just doesn't make any sense.
nashashmi
It is a litmus test: Israel is the most controversial western (not middle eastern) country and if you don’t criticize it, there is a good chance you will not criticize any western nation including the US. You will be easily bullied by the US govt with a tape over your mouth.
Or this is the story line that US politicians have bought and unpacked after being hand delivered by AIPAC with a brief case of money plus a set of blackmail love letters waiting to be leaked if they don’t take it.
I am convinced that our govt never had spine to stand up for freedom unless Israel/lobbyists were behind it. They quarrel amongst themselves because of Israel and agree in large numbers because of Israel.
petre
> What Homeland is DHS securing? The US or Israel?
There are more Jewish people in the US than Israel. I guess this is what they're securing against?
https://www.adl.org/resources/report/audit-antisemitic-incid...
Or who knows, maybe they ban Trump critics or commies from entering the US? I will definitely avoid travelling to the US due to the Trump Administration's hostility towards immigrants. These screening policies will probably remain in place under the next administration.
hearsathought
> There are more Jewish people in the US than Israel. I guess this is what they're securing against?
There are more chinese in the US than jews. So is DHS going to ban anyone who makes anti-china posts? We have a lot of arabs and palestinians. Why isn't DHS protecting them? Shouldn't DHS check every israeli's social media for anti-palestinian comments?
> Or who knows, maybe they ban Trump critics or commies from entering the US.
What does that have to do with israel and "antisemitism"?
keernan
>>You have more freedom to criticize the US Government than to criticize a foreign country.
I doubt that. I would honestly be shocked if anyone with anti-Trump posts would 'pass' DHS screening.
TimorousBestie
The IHRA definition of antisemitism is so vague that it includes otherwise innocuous and/or factual statements.
> “Antisemitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of antisemitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities.”
In IHRA’s defense, this definition was never intended for legal use. But here we are.
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georgeburdell
The criticism of Israel thing is not what you think it’s for.
lurk2
What do you think it is for?
georgeburdell
It’s Trump’s latest incarnation of a “Muslim ban”. As a side bonus, it also targets the Left
neilv
This one isn't as bad as some other things that have already happened in the space, but I've been wondering...
If I was a non-US person, who previously wanted to visit or move the US -- as a student, industry engineer/scientist, academic researcher, teacher, doctor/nurse, investor/founder, conference attendee, or tourist -- recent news events would've already had me put that wish on hold, indefinitely.
Even though those all are people that the US wants coming, they are being discouraged.
So, who has the US already started missing out on, what are the situations of people who are still coming, and how soon will even they stop?
TriangleEdge
I recently migrated to the USA from Canada. I make 2x the income I made in Canada. My work is about the same as it was. I was also able to get competent medical care in the USA but in Canada I was on a waitlist for 2 years. I had to jump through a lot of hoops and the GC process was shitty, but my life is good here and I am glad I came.
I think economic freedom is a powerful motivator. Unlocking a social media account is hardly a deterrent.
TZubiri
Personally, no.
The stance of the US on illegal inmigration has always been clear, and the process for requesting a B1B2 visa is like a rite of entry where it is made even clearer (interviews, seriousness). My father explained it to me when I was young, I must have thought the process was a bit too harsh, "going to their country is like going to somebody else's home, you need to follow their rules, and it's a privilege not a right, to enter".
From what I read, the rules haven't changed, rather they are being enforced. My perspective as an outsider is that the people that complain are mostly leftist extremist from one of the most left leaning and inmigrant heavy states (CA).
I know a lot of people from my country that consider breaking rules and laws as part of natural life and they see visa rules as some other rule to be broken, lots of people that overstay visitor and business visas to work and live in the states or other countries.
I see these changes in enforcement as positive to me, as they do not restrict me in any way except in false positives, as I was already complying with the law and my visa terms. If anything, I am benefitted, as the benefits that are given to law abiding people are becoming exclusive to those that abide the law, instead of also those that disregard it.
It reminds me of this scene from mad men
testfoobar
Outside of just wanting privacy for its own sake, there are many, many reasons to keep social media profiles private: health privacy, sexual orientation privacy, relationship privacy, location privacy, financial privacy, etc.
“To facilitate this vetting, all applicants for F, M and J non-immigrant visas will be asked to adjust the privacy settings on all their social media profiles to ‘public’”, the official said.
sneak
Another of the thousand reasons people should delete their Facebook and Instagram accounts.
irjustin
Question: Does this create more problems?
i.e. "I don't have a social media"; "Sureeeee buddy"; "I really don't, I deleted it"; "We'll wait here until you do"
Some scary variation above.
catlikesshrimp
Now that we are there, deleting social media presence for privacy concerns, you will need to keep a "Stub" account to access the parts of life that require social media accounts: marketplace, local groups, immigration.
sneak
This is only the case today because it makes you an outlier.
When it’s common to have deleted your accounts due to widespread privacy impacts, it won’t be such a showstopper.
Be the change you wish to see in the world.
bigbacaloa
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jmye
Wouldn’t that be likely to be taken as identical to having a locked one? I don’t use traditional social media, and never have, and have always assumed that would cause me to “fail” a test like this.
(Sorry, I mean this to read as a question, not an assertion.)
Mountain_Skies
Much of the world is against LBGTQ+ rights. If an immigrant has social media posts expressing open hatred and even calls for violence against people with sexual orientations not approved of in their home culture, will you still have an open mind about welcoming them in the US with open arms?
This isn't theoretical. Both China and India, the two countries that supply the most students to the US, prohibit marriage equality. Both have extensive discrimination throughout their societies, both at the government and cultural levels.
UncleMeat
The only students who've ever called me a homophobic slur were born in the US.
eddythompson80
Man, I'm sorry to tell you. But you must not have been around the world much.
dullcrisp
I’m sure we can still deport them to El Salvador.
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sundaeofshock
Yes. I wouldn’t be happy they hold those views, but I don’t support basing a person’s entry into the US on how the feel about Donald Trump.
Of course, your scenario is a big ol’ straw person, as those beliefs are not what they are screening for.
dmoy
It might not be what the US is screening for, but if you're forced to make your account public, not just to the US, then your own government would also know.
bastardoperator
This isn't a screening process, it's a deterrent.
kennywinker
Until 2015 gay marriage was illegal in many states. Plenty here hold pretty nasty anti lgbtq beliefs. This is a bad argument for screening visa applicants for beliefs, and not what this new rule will be used for. It will be used to deny anyone critical of israeli genocide, people who think we shouldn’t destroy the planet’s climate, and people who think women should control their own bodies.
andsoitis
> This is a bad argument for screening visa applicants for beliefs, and not what this new rule will be used for.
And do you think permanent residency or citizen applicants should be screened for their beliefs?
digianarchist
Right. That’s what these new powers will be used for. To defend LGBT folks in the United States. /s
derektank
Obviously not by this administration, but if we are creating new powers, the question of the principle is relevant and its potential use by a Democratic administration is also relevant.
I, personally, don't see a problem with creating an ideological test for certain kinds of visa holders or permanent residents. As Karl Popper noted in outlining the paradox of tolerance, unlimited tolerance can lead to the destruction of tolerance itself. I think it's worth exploring ways for the government to prevent enemies of liberalism from entering the country, even if we already face illiberalism at home.
That being said, I think this specific proposal threatens personal privacy far too much to be justified.
bigyabai
Many Americans have never seriously looked at a map before. Should they be categorically denied entry to foreign countries for their stereotypical ignorance?
Here in America, you can't put someone on trial for a crime they haven't committed. Even if you think they're from a suspicious country. That's called racial profiling, and it's forbidden by civil rights laws for a reason; nobody should have to tolerate the indignation of their peer's stupidity.
lurk2
> you can't put someone on trial for a crime they haven't committed.
What do you think happened in a trial where a not guilty verdict is reached?
recursive
If we know someone has committed the crime before the trial, we could really streamline the judicial process.
andsoitis
> > Should they be categorically denied entry to foreign countries for their stereotypical ignorance?
You missed this bit that parent said:
"If an immigrant has social media posts expressing open hatred and even calls for violence against people with sexual orientations not approved of in their home culture, will you still have an open mind about welcoming them in the US with open arms?"
Freedom2
> Here in America, you can't put someone on trial for a crime they haven't committed
Actually in the US you can - it's why there's stories of innocent men and women being released from jail after other evidence proves their innocence (eg: DNA).
frollogaston
To answer your question, yes those people should be welcome, yes I'm ok with people coming from China and India.
vFunct
There’s also a lot of reasons to have a completely public social media account.
angst
also, "lack of a social media profile could prompt US visa denial"
source https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/nri/study/now-lack-of-a...
grg0
That is really sad, especially for people here, because the kind of people who dwell on HN are likely to specifically avoid creating much of a public profile on account of their increased knowledge and perception of these systems.
Time to go study in Europe, folks.
TZubiri
Not even a linkedin? Bluesky,A google maps thingy? Not even an FSF subscription and GNU social account?
You have the freedom to be off the grid, but the states have the freedom to reject your entry.
colinbartlett
Absolutely insane. Until recently, I had none. Now I at least have a LinkedIn account. My mother has no social media at all.
wombatpm
New business idea- AI powered burner profiles. Company starts building generic profiles that follow acceptable account, occasionally likes some or posts some lame LLM generated posts. Some point in the future company sells you access to the account.
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lanstin
And a self-hosted version where it can be fed some personalized info as basic prompt.
TZubiri
That's against ToS, you are on the wrong ethical side. This is the technology and behaviour patterns that fraudsters use, you would be indistinguishable from an enemy .
Alupis
So you have no HN account? No YouTube Account? No Reddit Account?
These are all forms of Social Media.
energywut
I create and delete HN accounts every... 80-200 karma. I don't have a youtube account. I don't have a reddit account.
Why is it so difficult to believe that there are people here who view social media as a harmful thing they try to mostly avoid?
fc417fc802
Speaking for myself I have an HN account but why would I want those other two? And I certainly don't have any "social" accounts under my legal name.
I'm not even comfortable with ICANN based DNS given that the identity requirements amount to an impressum. That's fine for business dealings but interpersonal communications (including the metadata) should be private from outside observers.
checker659
What’s stopping someone from using LLMs to create a alt account? Imagine a bot that takes stuff from you actual a/c and posts the mirror opposite posts on the alt one.
JumpCrisscross
> What’s stopping someone from using LLMs to create an alt account?
For the applicant? Visa fraud rules. For people fucking with third parties? Absolutely nothing.
koakuma-chan
Don't post pictures of yourself on the internet (and don't let your relatives do that), and you can say it wasn't you.
sneak
Most large social networks now require biometric authentication of identity to prevent alts.
Even Uber requires facial biometrics for an account now if you try to sign up using a prepaid card and VPN.
koakuma-chan
What? And which social medias am I required to have a profile on?
wombatpm
Truth Social
Havoc
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koakuma-chan
> this is too insane to be reality
Is reality supposed to be less insane than this? Is this even insane in the first place?
stormfather
Does anyone think this is about anything other than stamping out criticism of Israel?
Arubis
Of course it’s for more than that. It’s a fabulously oppressive tool that’ll get used for whatever the hell power-hungry folks want. That’s not to say it won’t be used for your proposed purpose! Just gotta think bigger.
mattnewton
That’s the trial balloon.
ulfw
Land of the Free, home of the Brave.
I hope we can finally let all that propaganda of 'freedom' and 'free speech' go to rest now.
irrational
I don’t use social media. Is the assumption that everyone does use social media?
lurk2
You’ve been posting here for nearly 10 years.
felineflock
I will spend this weekend creating burner social media accounts for my kids as a precaution. Each one will be crafted to look like they've never had a controversial thought in their lives.
Just lasagna pics, birthday cakes, kittens, golden retrievers, baby goats, maybe an artsy photo of a leaf with #blessed.
Everything I can do so that an AI running immigration background checks might match my kids to the profile of a low threat, emotionally well-regulated, consumer-minded citizen material.
Absolutely no pictures of Winnie the Pooh to keep China travel option open too.
I welcome any tips. Someone here must have cracked the code to be completely unremarkable and "wholesome" to governments.
DigitallyFidget
My only tip isn't really useful. Just avoid going to that hostile country for now. Unless there's a specific necessity. And if that's the case, then change all your social media accounts info, change the name, change birthdates, missmatch as much info as possible. Delete photos of yourself/family. Then for 'burner' accounts, make them on a different social network, like bluesky, myspace (they're still around), and then use an AI to generate ideas for posts and just make those as posts for the next while. The problem will be making a realistic timeline/history for new accounts. Alternatively "your kids aren't allowed to use social media", and that clears up a lot of work. But honestly just avoid the risk of traveling there in the first place, is it worth the risk of being detained?
seanmcdirmid
I've been to China a lot while also being critical of it sometimes on Facebook, and have never been refused a visa, even a work Z visa. Either they aren't looking or can't look because Facebook is blocked in China. My guess is simply that they aren't looking.
frollogaston
There's no need. Just make some accounts, upload a pic, leave it alone. The only purpose of that is to avoid any extra restrictions they may later place on new accounts. Like, I have 10 Gmail accounts from before they wanted a phone number, plus a few burner Facebooks. I made one new Gmail recently, and it was banned without explanation.
Marsymars
> Like, I have 10 Gmail accounts from before they wanted a phone number
I do too, but they won’t let me log in without putting in a phone number.
tenpies
What method are you using to predict what future governments won't find offensive/illegal?
Short of time travel, this seems impossible.
decimalenough
This. I have a watermelon costume purchased years ago for a fruit themed costume party, but today it's code for supporting Palestinians/Gaza and a picture of me wearing it might get me banned from entering the US.
felineflock
Yes, it is not possible. We can't predict but can follow the trends. Governments tend to want to be seen as a god-like entity protector/judge of all. So they hate satire or anything that means they're not being taken seriously. Just recently Brazil decided to jail a comedian, for instance.
kortilla
Bo produced a guide to this called “white womans instagram”.
userbinator
I have no social media associated with my real identity.
That should've always been the norm, yet unfortunately it isn't.
0xbadcafebee
This must've been what it was like to watch the Roman empire crumble (but at 200x speed). Or, heh, Venezuela at 2x speed. It only took them 13 years to go from a rich country, to collapse in democratic confidence, to total economic implosion & dictatorship.
skybrian
Won't be too long before people will have scrubbed profiles under their real names and use temporary alts for private group chats.
zenonu
... and then there's a falling out in your friends circle, and someone is reported.
vjvjvjvjghv
How many foreigners, illegal or not, are committing crimes? And how much could be found out from social media? This seems extremely paranoid.
On the other hand, maybe this will lead to people putting less stuff on social media. This would probably be a net positive.
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Original DHS Announcement on Social Media Screening: https://www.uscis.gov/newsroom/news-releases/dhs-to-begin-sc...
State Dept on what is considered Antisemitism: https://www.state.gov/defining-antisemitism/
These definitions are intentionally broad and designed to censor criticism of Israel. You have more freedom to criticize the US Government than to criticize a foreign country.