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Texas electricity maximum renewables record

jostmey

Texas also has installed large amounts of battery capacity, often providing over 5% of the total grid power during sunset hours

hk1337

lowwave

Getting this on the link and their homepage. Maybe AI bot blocking? Normal NON Tor or VPN.

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forty

Same from clean residential IP. They must assume a DDOS attack with the HN crowd suddenly clicking on that link ^^

toomuchtodo

They geoblock non US IPs at a WAF.

kbaker

Today is definitely sunny and windy.

With power prices negative, I guess those big Bitcoin mines out in West TX are quite profitable burning off our excess power...

hk1337

> West TX

FYI, there actually is a city called West, so it would usually appear as "West, TX" or West TX". It's actually between Dallas and Austin though and not in the west.

meandthewallaby

I assume you're just correcting capitalization, but for clarity's sake, the aforementioned Bitcoin mines are in west TX, the region with oil derricks, wind turbines, and tumbleweeds, and not West, TX, the town with the Little Czech Stop and delicious kolaches.

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chasd00

El Paso aside, the only place in West Texas I can think of that may have a datacenter is Sul Ross University in Alpine but i doubt it. ..there's probably not even one in El Paso.

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drob518

Now, if only it was reliable in the winter…

officeplant

If only Texas had invested in weatherization to prevent issues in the winter. Their gas based powerplants also had failures during the freeze a few years ago due to ignorance/cost cutting measures.

buerkle

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-disconnect-power-p... a great podcast on the blackout from 2021, it wasn't from renewables.

hk1337

It was one major occurrence with freak weather conditions and unpreparedness for something that _rarely_, if ever, occurs in Texas every 100 years.

robocat

Infrastructure is supposed to be planned for infrequent events. Nobody wants to hear excuses when it is something they rely upon for basic needs.

magicalist

> It was one major occurrence with freak weather conditions and unpreparedness for something that _rarely_, if ever, occurs in Texas every 100 years.

it happened in 2011, too, and all the warnings and published recommendations as a result of that storm weren't acted upon.

drob518

Yep, and natural gas was the big culprit in 2011, too. Valves froze, IIRC. But again, you couldn’t dial up solar and wind to compensate, so we had rolling blackouts.

toomuchtodo

drob518

Even if you ignore grid failures, the fact is that power output from renewables drops during the winter. That’s just a fact. That drop must be made up by other things (natural gas, nuclear, or coal, in Texas, very little hydro). I’m all for more renewables, but we need a lot more nuclear that can be dialed up to compensate for renewables going offline during certain weather conditions.

martinpw

> we need a lot more nuclear that can be dialed up to compensate for renewables going offline during certain weather conditions

If you want something to compensate for intermittency, nuclear seems like the worst option. It implies you have nuclear plants sitting offline until needed, or being ramped up and down. My understanding is that you really want to run nuclear plants 24/7 at full output.

magicalist

> but we need a lot more nuclear that can be dialed up to compensate for renewables going offline

The problem wasn't the renewables going offline, they dipped in production due to not being winterized, but that was well modelled and they actually outperformed their expected output.

The problem, as mentioned in toomuchtodo's links, was the nuclear and gas plants going offline because they weren't winterized and trying to take the grid down with them. The mix was fine, but the market rewarded the cheapest preparations and the state government didn't step in to intervene.

philipkglass

Texas is building more grid scale battery storage than any other state:

https://www.canarymedia.com/articles/energy-storage/chart-us...

This year EIA again expects Texas to outpace California, only now by an even wider margin than last year. The Lone Star State could build nearly 7 GW of utility-scale storage in 2025 compared to California’s 4.2 GW.

verall

In Texas doesn't electricity use also drop during the winter? Almost everyone I know in Texas has gas heat and the winters are mild while summers are scorching. I use about 3X the electricity in summer months vs winter. I would guess nearly all residential energy use in Texas follows this pattern.

AndrewDucker

Or build more renewables. If that's the cheapest thing to do, of course.

eldaisfish

i get what you're saying but renewable capacity does not drop during the winter. On the contrary, winter months outside the tropics have higher wind speeds.

Solar output drops during the winter, not wind.

that said, economics pose a major problem to building more renewable energy capacity. No one will build a wind farm if it is not profitable. Profitability is a major question if average electricity prices drop.

collinmcnulty

The Texas grid is deliberately cut off from other states to avoid federal regulation. If we would just interconnect, then you diversify your locations and are much less susceptible to the wild swings in price driven by weather, which in the case of 2021 also impacted natural gas plants.

thrance

Why are we wasting so much time on this website needing to debunk every reheated conservative talking points? What is the moderation doing?

drob518

I’m not sure why discussing the very real issues with renewable power is a “conservative talking point.” Why is everything assumed to be politically motivated. Everyone assume I’m throwing renewables under the bus for the 2021 grid failure. I’m not. Everything failed in 2021. Gas failed. And renewables couldn’t pick up the slack because renewable generation always slumps in the winter.

thrance

Sorry if I misinterpreted your comment, but anytime I see someone railing about Texas' outage of 2021 it's always an encore of the GOP's anti-renewables crusade in favor of oil and gas.

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jjulius

That's not so much the responsibility of actual mods like dang. It seems like the community moderation, eg up/downvotes, is doing the job just fine here - you've responded to the lowest-ranked comment in this thread, and it's currently greyed out. The system's working.

watwut

Actual mods allowed most thought out anti-conservative posts to be flagged. (Less thought out remained.)