Japan Post launches 'digital address' system
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·May 28, 2025PaulRobinson
miki123211
Poland adopted parcel lockers on a massive scale, and they mostly solve that problem. It's such a good idea; I'm really surprised other countries haven't followed suit.
They're absolutely everywhere. Your tiny village might not have a grocery store, a school or an ATM, but it probably has a locker. Where my parents live (a village of ~2000 people), they have three. The vast majority of people have at least one in walking distance.
Before they became so popular, we used to do sign-on-delivery, leaving mail on your doorstep didn't become a thing here until covid. This made mail much harder to steal, but required you either to have somebody who would stay home all day, or to hunt down which neighbor got your package for you.
guerby
Yes I agree with you, I don't understand why parcel lockers are not completely replacing delivery.
I saw on youtube that China has "open stores" where you go pick on shelf your parcel, all controlled via camera and face recognition.
In my country France the number of parcel lockers is going up but there's often sellers who don't propose them, or have some restrictions.
ChadNauseam
The amazon lockers work fairly well (and I often use them when traveling to avoid the headache of trying to ship something to a hotel.) But I have to say, I don't really understand why you feel they're game changing. You mention that parcel lockers "mostly solve that problem", but I don't really see how they solve any problems in the GP comment. For example, I don't see how they solve the problem of "I want to order something that will arrive in 6 months but I might move between now and then". (won't your package just go to a locker that's possibly very far away from you now?) It feels to me like the main problem lockers solve is preventing mail theft.
jakub_g
The lockers in Poland can be used for both receiving and sending items. It's a massive QoL improvement in many ways over old school:
- you can receive things while you're not at home, don't have to carefully plan to be there for the courier (who then misses initial date and you need to do it again next day). It works 24/7 so you can pick up your stuff in the middle of the night if it's more convenient. You have 48hrs to pick up.
- you can send things, also 24/7, so no need to go to a blessed place between 9am and 5pm during week and queue. You can send your item Sunday evening, no problem
- the costs are also very reasonable. I sent a parcel from Poland to France for 7€ this month.
- you don't actually need to print anything nor even write the address. The courier opens the box, and they print a sticker with destination address.
- I believe it increases throughput because the courier doesn't have to stop at 100 places per day, they stop at lockers and unload N packages at once in every locker. Higher throughput -> shorter delivery times and lower costs
traceroute66
I am not going to repeat the existing comments, instead I will point out something obvious.
Parcel lockers are only really good for small and light items.
The moment you get into heavy or bulky or both then parcel lockers are a waste of time.
Who wants to go to a parcel locker and haul a 16kg package back home ?
Or if you have multiple deliveries, who wants to go to a parcel locker and haul 10 boxes home ?
I think this new Japanese "follow-me" system is genuinely a much better idea. Parcel lockers are yesteday's technology in comparison.
KronisLV
> Parcel lockers are yesteday's technology in comparison.
They're still wonderful for small deliveries, which are maybe 95% of everything I order. You can even redirect them or reschedule them easily, since a lot of it is based on web based systems that you can access with the code they send you and additional verification.
I actually had my computer case ship to a pickup point instead of a locker near me, so I could just go there when I had free time after work and haul it back to my apartment in the city (was like a 10-15 minute walk). It ended up being cheaper than getting it delivered to my door and was functionally identical to a package locker, just with a person verifying the code and giving me the larger item. It seems like some of those locations are in convenience stores, others in gas stations over here, a bit more relaxed than traditional delivery, for which I have to be present at a time I don't know exactly.
For the big items (such as a ladder, or a lawnmower or something for the countryside, or new fridge or stove for the apartment), there is still courier delivery, which brings it to your door, or can help you carry it upstairs if needed, though obviously more expensive and not worth it for anything but the bigger items.
I think all of those methods compliment each other nicely. No reason to scoff at one method if it helps others be more efficient: split up the load, less awkward logistics of the courier needing to talk with each individual recipient to make sure they'll be there in like 15 minutes after the call, but instead being able to take a lot of the less expensive small packages and just put them in the locker and letting the people sort the rest out themselves, handling a bunch of those packages in one go.
I even shipped my old GPU to some friends across the EU with DPD and the process was similarly simple - I just prepped the order online, put the info sheet on the package and put it in the package machine. They received the GPU a few days later. Fewer queues than a postal office.
marcosdumay
How does the "follow-me" solve heavy delivery?
Heavy deliveries will always be a problem. It existing doesn't invalidate usefulness of things that solve light delivery.
rawicki
I’m familiar with postal services both in Poland and Japan and I like the Japanese solution even more - most of the new buildings have package lockers operated by the building owner and independent from the delivery service. Everyone could put the packages there and my building would notify me about a waiting package when I entered.
thesuitonym
> You (and everyone else in the street), will get a notification that its outside for the next 30 minutes - miss it, and it'll go get delivered to a nearby pickup site.
That sounds terrible from just about every perspective. What about people who work during that 30 minutes? Or who have mobility concerns? What about a parent who's young child just fell asleep? Should they all have to go to the pickup site? And let's not kid ourselves, it's not going to be nearby. Especially if you live in a rural area. And how do you open the locker when you get there? Do you need another app that tracks your every movement? No thank you, please just leave the package at my door.
r00f
I am not sure about your particular area, but all those concerns have been solved for me. If I get package in my local mailbox (which is always nearby), I get a key to the delivery box dropped into my mail box. If the package doesnt fit there, I get message like "box 5 code 123456" if it is at self pickup site, or I go to the post office - which are both 5 minutes drive, but for box of such size I would need to drive even to my local mailbox.
I will prefer any of those options over my package having to sit in the rain or on the snow.
thesuitonym
I'm familiar with apartments and trailer parks, and from experience I can tell you it's a worse system than just delivering door to door.
hx8
> No thank you, please just leave the package at my door.
With where I live now, yes. I've had a previous address with about a 15% package-theft rate within the first 2 hours of package delivery. In this situation I started to use lockers instead of straight to home.
I think this type of delivery system (mobile lockers to stationary lockers) would be a hit in areas with high levels of package theft.
lokar
Or the police could deal with package theft.
tester756
>And how do you open the locker when you get there? Do you need another app that tracks your every movement?
You enter the code from sms, that's it.
sojsurf
> I think there is value though in carriers saying "no, wait, I'll do the lookup when I am ready to deliver!", because then I order something today with a 3-month lead time and if I move house, the delivery "follows me" to my new location.
The downside for carriers is that costs are unpredictable. Will they be shipping it a few miles or to the other side of the country?
The downside for the person ordering is that there is a race condition that makes it difficult for you to know where the thing will get delivered to. Perhaps you changed your location two days ago, and you are expecting a piece of furniture sometime soon. Did the furniture delivery process kick off before or after you changed your address?
tester756
>I actually expect some of the rapid delivery networks to get a bit more like this - I predicted with friends about 5 years ago at some point your Amazon delivery is going to be in a locker on the back of a self-driving vehicle. You (and everyone else in the street), will get a notification that its outside for the next 30 minutes - miss it, and it'll go get delivered to a nearby pickup site. Imagine if there was dynamic routing so that the parcel just "finds me" if I'm at work, or a bar after work... obviously I might want choices and options and so on, but I think the idea of parcels just going to where you sleep, whether you are there or not, is going to look quaint in 30 years time.
Inpost - logistics startup in Poland managed to put lockers everywhere and you just receive sms when the parcel is there and you have 48h to pick it up
You can go whenever you want - simple and effective as hell
They disrupted delivery industry
luis_cho
For me the privacy part of site not knowing we’re I live would be great.
I could also black list entities from delivering spam.
hbarka
My mailbox is full of junk mail and it’s hard to make them stop. It’s not even addressed to me, just the mailbox location. The design pattern to “unsubscribe” or block the junk sender is also useless. Surely there must be a strong political lobby in the US who don’t want to prevent junk mail. It’s so wasteful and ridiculous (literally tons of paper) and I’ve resigned to this fact of life in my country.
powvans
Marketing mail is a significant (maybe 25%) portion of the USPS revenue and very profitable. They have a strong disincentive to reduce the stream of junk mail going to your home.
saati
What stops them from sending the spam to the same code?
pjc50
> at some point your Amazon delivery is going to be in a locker on the back of a self-driving vehicle. You (and everyone else in the street), will get a notification that its outside for the next 30 minutes
I'm reminded of the Taipei refuse trucks that play Fur Elise to remind you that it's the five-minute window in which you can put your bins in the street.
I'm not very optimistic about delivery improving, because it's a three-sided market. You don't get to choose which courier the sender uses, but you're really their customer.
SwtCyber
Not having your address passed around 3rd-party sellers is a win on its own
dooglius
This seems worse for that though, now they can track you better when you move and correlate with your identity better.
chgs
But they could look up your physical address and store and sell that easily as storing and selling your delivery address now.
lmm
The third-party seller never gets your address. They hand the package over to the delivery company with a code, the delivery company is the only one who knows what that code means. Japanese delivery companies already offer this service, since a lot of people don't like to publish their address.
BlueTemplar
> I think there is value though in carriers saying "no, wait, I'll do the lookup when I am ready to deliver!", because then I order something today with a 3-month lead time and if I move house, the delivery "follows me" to my new location.
Around here the Post already knows how to do this (I assume it's similar elsewhere), it's also used for government-related matters. But I guess other carriers do not.
I expect the overall results to be negative soon enough though : consider the issues USians have to endure with how (ab)used is their Social Security Number.
eloisant
It's funny how you have a Social Security Number used for everything except provide you with actual social security.
chmod775
> Under the system, users can input these seven-digit codes on online shopping websites, and their addresses will automatically appear on the sites.
Why not just let people mail to that code, and the post office then looks up the actual address? That'd also avoid any issues with leaking personal information.
nine_k
> Their digital addresses will not change even if their physical addresses change.
Apparently he new system works a bit like DNS: the physical location may change, but the symbolic name stays. The resolution is done at the order time, not at the delivery time.
I suppose it's because the numerous e-commerce sites already support the physical address system. With the post office resolving the 7-character symbolic address to a physical address requires approximately zero changes in their existing systems, it's just an extra API call on the frontend. Support for direct use of the 7-character address would require serious changes.
Also, the 7-character address resolved to a physical address right before the customer's eyes works as an extra sanity check, and should limit the number of orders to a wrong address.
chmod775
> Support for direct use of the 7-character address would require serious changes.
No, it doesn't. You can just format that 7-character address like a valid address, essentially like:
番号0123456,日本
Fill any extra fields with placeholders or 0s as necessary.
The most you'll have to change is to maybe skip validation for those if you have address validation.
nine_k
> skip validation
Here's whence real problems would begin.
lobochrome
Also there is an existing system of 7 numeral post codes that autopopulate Prefecture, City, District - leaving you to enter Area # (丁目), Block #, House #.
If they amend this to make it alphanumeric and then autopopulate this last three datums - it fits very neatly into the existing scheme.
WhyNotHugo
This sounds like cross-shipping, where you ship to a distribution centre which then ships to the final destination. My guess is that this is more expensive and slower for a lot of cases (this is typically cheaper for extremely high volumes or cross-continental shipping).
Shops with which I’ve worked will have several different carriers pick up packages during the week. Some pickups are for city-local packages, where others are cross-province packages. Finally, lots of packages are delivered from the shop directly by motorbike. The logistics are quite different for each, and they use different providers depending on situation.
Shipping everything to one location that redistributes would explode in both costs and complexity.
crusty
Maybe they will, but this seems to be separate in that if it resolves the physical address from the code during the checkout process like a DNS call, it isn't reliant on actually shipping with Japan post and even if it does, it now has the physical address, so why not use that.
One thing about the long physical address is that it adds a bit of redundancy. Misspelled or wrong name... still arrives. Misspelled street or city... might still arrive. I'm guessing 1 number off on that code and it's wrong. For the example in the story, a customer inputs the number, three store makes the call to Japan post and renders the physical address to the customer so they can verify before committing.
BlueTemplar
Surely they won't be so incompetent the specifications won't include a correction code and mandatory checking of it ?
brody_hamer
Easier to roll out this way would be my guess?
With your approach, the burden is on the post office to update their handling process.
With the implemented approach, nothing changes about the postal process, and the burden of work is shifted to the sender, who must look up the code for the recipient’s current address.
grishka
I imagine things would get complicated if private courier companies start getting involved
coel
The address would need to be looked up in some cases due to different delivery costs and time estimates.
ChocolateGod
I'm sure having a publicly available API that shows the region a code is in would be fine as long as the courier honours pricing based on that information.
xyst
Imagine inputting: "IiIIil" but meant to input "IiIIi1"
Oops now my package is going to Joe Blow on the other side of the country.
That’s probably why.
_Algernon_
If my password manager has an option to not use similar looking characters when generating a password, it should be trivial to do the same for this system.
saulpw
25^7 is 6 billion, and there are fewer than 200m people in Japan. That's enough for one character to essentially be error correction.
voxelghost
25^6=244,140,625 - I think I have seen estimates of 100,000,000 addressable entities in the Japan postal address system (a bit half of them being households, the rest companies,public buildings, various organizations and so on )
pjc50
Given that this is Japan, they probably just mean digits 0-9, which are quite often rendered that way rather than 一 to 九.
Aziell
I actually really like this idea. It’s genuinely convenient. The worst part of moving is updating your address everywhere, and even after doing it, you still worry something got missed. But after reading the details, I’m a bit hesitant. The idea of the code staying the same even if the address changes sounds great. But if it still relies on people manually updating their info, isn’t it pretty easy for things to go wrong if someone forgets?
sarreph
> isn’t it pretty easy for things to go wrong if someone forgets?
What do you imagine going wrong? In my mind, if I had a digital address code, one of the first things I would do after moving would be to update it. Plus, the article alludes to functionality that displays (+ confirms) the physical address anyway…
Aziell
Yeah, you're probably right. Maybe I'm just overthinking it. It's just that when people get busy, even the simplest things can slip through. If the system had some kind of reminder or could sync automatically, that would make it perfect.
lurking_swe
then your mail will be sent to the wrong place. just like if you forgot to update your default shipping address on amazon, after moving, for example.
the government can’t save you from being forgetful. :) But it CAN make the process easier. This looks great and as an american i’m jealous! A single place to update my address would be amazing.
davchana
Since years I have yearned that USPS lets you rent a PO Box. Maybe divide the country in 5 to 10 parts, and allocate a special zip code for these. The po box is nothing but just a forwarding address. You as a user control its final destination in usps.com account. It is like a link shortener.
Somebody sends a letter to that address. Regular mail system forwards it to machines. There, machines stick a yellow or some color strip on it with its actual destination, then it comes to you. You could move and simply update usps.com address.
presentation
I think in some ways this is better, because I trust the USPS to not actually reveal the true address behind the PO Box. So you can still use the "link shortener" but behind a privacy wall.
Sure, maybe you can't use this for taxi rides, but that's a small price to pay.
throwaway984393
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tonyhart7
"isn’t it pretty easy for things to go wrong if someone forgets?"
I believe it would be translate to your actual real address if you order package at ordering process
halpow
Japan is the perfect place for this because their house numbering system already requires you to look at a map to find it.
For those unfamiliar with it, numbers are incremented progressively around a block as doors are added to it. So the door "Block SanChome 4" could be on the opposite side of the building from "Block SanChome 6"
pezezin
It is even more complex than that: within a neighborhood you have "chome", then blocks, then buildings. All three levels are numbered chronologically and don't follow any kind of logical order. Oh, and streets don't have names. Honestly, I don't know how people did before modern navigation systems.
So yeah, this system looks like a godsend, I want to try it as soon as possible.
* I don't know if there is a translation for this word.
Tor3
Indeed - at least now you can enter the property address (e.g. a four-digit number followed by a dash and another number, as in this small town) into google maps and it'll show you where it is. Not long ago it was more like driving in the general direction while hanging on the mobile phone and trying to agree on a landmark (e.g. a 7/11 or a tower or an office building) while trying to find the place. Before mobile phones? Well, there's this big big sign in a park near the town center, and on that you can find family names on a kind of map.. of course that had this assumption that Nobody Never Moves. So, no, I don't know how people did this in the past.. "Where the Streets Have No Names", the U2 song. I wouldn't have imagined, but that's how it is.
xandrius
> Honestly, I don't know how people did before modern navigation systems.
The good old: ask a local about it. Nowadays people seems so against just stopping a random passerby to ask them a question. (obviously not feasible with the huge amount of deliveries we do today but back then it would have been reserved for the very rich or rare occasions)
sabellito
This won't change. The article starts:
> Japan Post said Monday that it has launched a "digital address" system that links seven-digit combinations of numbers and letters to physical addresses.
Their proposal is useful when one wants to move addresses.
bobthepanda
I don’t think they’re saying that the system is intended to replace old addressing but that the new proposed system is fine because the old addressing system, like this new one, is not very good at providing intuitive physical wayfinding anyways.
elif
Also useful for anyone who wants their personal residence recorded in less databases
montroser
Yeah but now it's a personal identifier that actually moves with you when you move to a different physical address. In terms of privacy, that might just be worse.
Freak_NL
Doesn't it just give the shop a way to fetch the full address from some public API? I don't think you can just jot down that number on a box and have it delivered.
> Under the system, users can input these seven-digit codes on online shopping websites, and their addresses will automatically appear on the sites.
SwtCyber
In that context, something like a stable digital address actually makes way more sense
Asooka
This is pretty much how we do it in Bulgaria as well, with almost all residential apartment buildings having no street address, it's just "City region X, building number Y". Online maps services are almost unusable for some places because they simply do not want to handle any system other than "street name + street number".
numpad0
It's more of a URL shortener. Users are assigned 7-digit alphanumeric code that macroexpands into full address on participating websites as well as on some paper application processes. There are few safety checks to prevent abuses, and linked address can be changed later when you move.
Many online address forms in Japan uses equivalent of ZIP code to do similar already, but the expanded address are as granular as ZIP codes - I always fill in the rest of the address, but if I think about it, the fractions of users who do religiously verify and clarify the addresses must be less than 100%. I suppose this code will initially solve that problem with minimal infra changes for both users and the PO.
lmz
But if it follows the person unchanged when they move then it's effectively a person addressing system / a synthetic ID for a person.
voidUpdate
I think its more of an ID for a household
hn_throwaway_99
One thing that wasn't quite clear to me is whether your code is what e-commerce companies record, or the expanded address.
Hopefully it's the code, because the benefit of this is that if you move, you wouldn't need to update your address with a bajillion different companies, just the post office.
idopmstuff
patio11 says you just give e-commerce companies the code: https://x.com/patio11/status/1927230790141616578
dcsan
Interesting. More like a dns than physical address?
freetime2
Entering building names can be a bit of a pain. I'm not even sure if it's required - according to Wikipedia it looks like you can just keep adding dashes until you eventually get to room number (e.g. 4-5-10-103) [1]. But a lot of address forms ask for it, so I end up entering it anyway.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_addressing_system
TheDong
The building name is required in many cases because two buildings next to each other will often have the same ban-chi-go (i.e. 4-5-10 could refer to two apartment buildings that were originally on the same lot, both with room 103).
It's exceedingly common, not just some edge-case you see every once in a while.
powrhouse
Or just a hop of indirection like DNS that lets your "address" move with you.
Tor3
Quick question - you wrote "There are few safety checks" - did you mean "There are a few safety checks"? I'm trying to figure out if this is implemented badly or not.
numpad0
The basic design outlined in "important notice" section on brochure page[1] sounds a bit simplistic to be honest - it doesn't seem to have a PIN or really advanced checks, more towards "we've done our homework" checks, but OTOH, they did seem to have done homeworks.
KoolKat23
This is Ireland's postal code system. There's a small level of privacy built in, specific to an address (many taxi drivers ask for this) and 7 digits long. Web forms use it too, so quite common in normal life.
Surprisingly the postal service, An Post, don't use the postal code as their primary way to direct mail (as far as I understand) .
phantomathkg
Sorry to say this is not the same. According to [0], the eircode is tied to the address, which Japan has already implemented a 7 digit postal code system. What this new way is trying to do instead is you can get a new digital address, in 7 character alphanumeric character, that uniquely addressed to you. So today you maybe in Tokyo, maybe a year later in Osaka. The postal code of your address changes, but the digital address will still be the same.
[0] https://www.eircode.ie/getting-an-eircode [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postal_codes_in_Japan
KoolKat23
Currently the eircode is specific to the residence, unlike Japans current system.
All that's different with Japans new system is that the code will be transferrable whereas Ireland's is not.
arp242
> An Post, don't use the postal code as their primary way to direct mail (as far as I understand) .
I'm not sure how the delivery system works exactly, but I think they use the eircode? Especially in the countryside there often isn't much more than that. At my previous address the street doesn't even have a name; but post addressed to "my name, town, eircode" got delivered.
Also when the eircode was first introduced it really messed up the delivery, which seems to indicate they're using it?
KoolKat23
They do use it.
Sorry I have it the wrong way round, there was earlier confusion which led to the below article and my incorrect understanding.
The system uses the eircode and the postman uses the address. (It makes sense a person would use the street address.)
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/an-post-c...
Arnavion
See also this CGP Grey video where he talks about post codes / zip codes in general and mentions Ireland's system. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1K5oDtVAYzk
simplesimon890
He's mostly, but not fully correct when talking about the randomness. The first 3 characters match the Dublin postal districts. People living in Dublin 12 start with D12. On one hand, maybe that's useful but on the other hand, it's a way for people to potentially discriminate based on the "good/bad" areas of the city.
coredog64
If I have to give you D12 as my postal district anyhow, what is the new mechanism for discrimination?
comrade1234
I thought this was something else... my cousin has been living in Japan 10+ years in a small town for on the other side of Mt Fuji from Tokyo and I went and stayed with him for a couple of weeks. Every day (maybe twice? I can't remember) loudspeakers on poles around the neighborhood would start playing amateurish announcements - some very old man half-asleep reading a list of events, news, etc. I was hoping they turned it digital and just sent it to your phone. For how peaceful things normally were in this town it was disruptive.
xdfgh1112
In Okinawa I get music in the morning when kids need to go to school as well as random announcements.
Japan has always been weird like that - people are generally quiet and respectful of others, but when it comes to trucks driving around blaring out political speeches, or a "pay to take your large trash" van playing music while driving around to advertise its presence, all bets are off.
mc3301
Those can be anything from daily announcements telling kids to get home before dark, testing the emergency announcement system, reminding people about today's festival, or asking people to be on the look-out for 89-year-old Takahashi-san who was last seen at the vegetable stand earlier this morning.
numpad0
That thing is an air raid siren. It's broadcast from city or town offices, and everyone believes it's for disaster mitigation. Sure, but they run complete human in loop system readiness tests each day every day. You don't need that level of assured reliability for those community announcements.
olelele
These systems are also there in case of earthquake or tsunami, where people have very short times to act before disaster strikes.
walthamstow
I was cycling around the Izu Peninsula earlier this year and one morning was woken up at 6am by the local ojisan on the PA system.
He wanted to tell everyone that tonight on TV there's an episode of a show with a scene filmed at the local beach. 6am!
Tor3
Where I am there's now only some music at 17:00, ideally that should announce that it's time to leave work and go home, ffs.. but as this is Japan, it doesn't seem to serve a purpose - people don't go home. That music used to be a siren until a few years ago. I like the melody better.
We do get the aforementioned trucks driving around all day announcing loudly that they'll take your trash, for payment.. but it's very rare now. And the pole sellers seem to have disappeared entirely. I could use a new pole though.. for drying clothes. There has fortunately never been any political speech trucks around here. The town is too small I assume.
slackr
Addresses in the Netherlands (much smaller country, I know) all work like this out of the box. People write their return addresses on envelopes that way too, like: 1234AB,56 (where 1234AB is a postal code for up to 15 or so addresses, and 56 is the house number)
dingaling
I once tested the UK system like that by sending an envelope to myself with just house number and postcode. It worked perfectly, yet convention remains to laboriously write redundant information every time.
shepherdjerred
The Irish are even better: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/donegal-p...
culi
the redundancy improves reliability. Ink runs, mail gets wet, some small degree ambiguity will likely always exist, etc
Digit-Al
Well bully for you. For those of us who live in flats it's not so simple. If you were to put e.g. flat 8 and my postcode there are about 4 or 5 choices so you're probably not going to get your mail.
Hamuko
Recipient name, Street address + number, Postcode doesn't sound that laborously redundant, unless your conventions have something more. Gives a larger area where the mail should go, a precise area where your mail should go (that you can compare to the larger area for mismatches) and who should be able to open the mail.
eloisant
That's not the same, the system Japan is launching is a code for your address that doesn't change even if you move. It's not a direct mapping to a physical address, it's a DB where you can change which code points to what address.
Anyway, Japan has about 50 prefectures, I don't think any one of them being bigger than the Netherlands (maybe Hokkaido) so they could have a similar system by adding 2 digits at the beginning of the code.
chipsa
Theoretically, you can just print a DPBC and a name on a USPS delivered mail, and it’ll get delivered. The DPBC has the ZIP+4, and delivery point encoded. The delivery point is the actual mailbox used (some addresses have multiple delivery points, such as apartments).
presentation
On the actual site for these digital addresses [1], they mention some risks and countermeasures - translated:
> Risks and Countermeasures When Using the Service
> 1. Obtaining a Digital Address involves the following risks. Please use the service after understanding them.
> a. If a third party learns your Digital Address, they may be able to determine the corresponding address.
> b. Randomly entering a Digital Address may display the corresponding address.
> 2. Our company anticipates the above risks and has prepared the following mechanisms as countermeasures.
> a. Digital addresses can be deleted immediately, and the linkage between addresses and digital addresses can be disabled. Note that even if deleted once, a new digital address can be reacquired.
> b. The system has mechanisms to detect and prevent abnormal searches, such as a large number of searches in a short period of time.
> c. Even in the unlikely event of a personal information leak, our system is designed with leakage risks in mind to prevent personal identification. Digital address data is managed in a separate database from personal information such as email addresses and phone numbers, as shown below.
1a. is the primary concern for me, and while I can disassociate my identity from a digital address, that would defeat the purpose of using digital addresses to e.g. handle the case when moving. Sounds like they don't have a real answer to this security issue besides just accepting it.presentation
If it were me, I would design it more this way after thinking about it a bit:
1. Japan Post lets you register your address to your Japan Post Account.
2. No static short code is created for your address.
3. Japan Post provides an API (like OAuth) for allowing you to persistently share your address location with a third party, say Rakuten, or Kuroneko Takkyubin, or something.
4. Once you've linked it to those services, they can use this API to get your address at any point in time.
5. You can unlink services whenever you want to revoke access, without changing any code.
6. No way to request an address for a Japan Post account without permission granted.
7. To handle cases like taxis, Japan Post can work with providers like GO Taxi, S.Ride, DiDi, etc. to do an authenticated one-time address share via NFC using the Japan Post App with the digital consoles already present in almost all taxis in major cities (no help for old taxis in the inaka, but that's a tradeoff).
a. or alternatively, persistently link your GO Taxi, S.Ride, etc. accounts to Japan Post for the same purpose.
b. and also potentially allowing to do such a key exchange with NFCs on smartphones or a standalone device, but probably taxi operators wouldn't be motivated enough to actually do that.
That way you just need to trust Japan Post and you can still get a decent amount of the convenience of address sharing.fvrther
I just tried it and if you suspect it leaked you can delete it immediately and get a new one in 10mn
presentation
Yeah, but if a major point of convenience is that the underlying address can be changed without changing your digital address code, then that's lost every time you cycle it. Without that then this is an extremely minor convenience IMO.
tonyhart7
"1a. is the primary concern for me, and while I can disassociate my identity from a digital address, that would defeat the purpose of using digital addresses"
Yeah but you would still have better option than not being able to do that I think this is just move the security debt elsewhere which is bad/good it depends on theirs ends
presentation
I don't agree with that - it spreads complexity all over without much of a benefit. You get the privacy downside of digital addresses having this "stalker" effect, and in turn everyone has to not only work to add support for these digital address codes, but they also need to make their systems robust to digital addresses being revoked, which they probably wouldn't.
In the status quo, it is clear you need to update addresses if you move; even if you don't, because you have to file a 転居届, Japan Post knows they need to redirect mail to your new address anyway; and you don't have the privacy worries.
tonyhart7
well that why they can change,disable,multiple (?) address tho???
I can see something like this 1 address for work, 1 for house, 1 for vacation house etc
donnachangstein
This being Japan, you still have to sign for your digital delivery with a rubber ink stamp.
GloriousKoji
If it was modernized a little, I think I would enjoy needing to tap a RFID hanko to my phone to sign for digital delivery.
donnachangstein
> tap a RFID hanko
we call those contactless smart cards
kazinator
RFID isn't smart; it's just a little chip that harvests energy from being illuminated by a radio wave signal from the terminal, and reflects back a code. (Well, that's a passive tag; there are self-powered ones also.)
Smart cards contain a considerable embedded system for transactional processing; it's quite different from just transmitting an ID.
xdfgh1112
I've never had to do that. Hand signature or nothing at all.
Freak_NL
I wish we had those hanko. Signing off on any parcel is complete bullshit at the moment. Most delivery drivers neglect to ask for one (or that code you are supposed to give them for some delivery services), and when they do, you just make some arbitrary squiggle on their handheld device — it's not like you can actually do a faithful reproduction of your signature on those, even in 2025, and I certainly can't using my finger instead of a pencil or pen.
Yesterday a courier brought a pallet with my new drill press costing over €500. Signature required, but when I asked he told me not to worry, there was no need…
Tor3
Agreed about the signing.. that's useless. But at least for some shipments with value we have to show an ID (not just any ID - I always carry my passport though), back in my home country. Just signing is worthless, in particular when that implies trying to "write" something on a touch screen using your finger.
Here in Japan there's typically this little circle where you're supposed to stamp you hanko.. but I just sign my name, with a pen, whether the parcel is for me or for my wife. But at least the delivery guy will have me read the form to verify that it's actually for someone in the household.
Not that I would prefer the hanko.. that idiocy just have to go. I can see no safety in the system, it's just a made-up stamp after all. It has no place in a modern world. And it's on the way out, as far as I understand, but I still hear stories about people forgetting the hanko when they go to the bank, and despite having passports and other IDs they're denied service. And you need to bring that thing everywhere for contracts and the like.. and everything has to be done by physical presence.
k33l0r
The fundamental problem with deliveries is that you, as the recipient, are not the customer.
The merchant pays for thousands of deliveries, but you on the receiving end are at best getting a handful.
So the courier is incentivised to offer the best rates to the merchant while completely ignoring the requirements or preferences of the recipient.
Your only recourse is to complain to the shop, who might do something if the volume of complaints is high enough, but most likely they’ll just pass the buck to the courier…
dmurray
The recipient getting their stuff stolen is a big deal for the merchant too, though.
Certainly for an expensive item, the customer may be out their time, but they are going to ask for a replacement or a refund or do a chargeback, the merchant is generally going to have to accede to the request, and the merchant ends up being out money.
So if the merchant decides to trade off security for delivery cost (by choosing a courier with a slack approach to verification), that's their prerogative and they are economically incentivized to make the right decision on that.
For delivery problems that don't result in a chargeback (the courier leaves it somewhere inconvenient, or claims you weren't in, etc, but it eventually gets to you) that's the situation where it becomes your problem and the merchant isn't much empowered or incentivized to fix it.
donnachangstein
UPS driver left a $3500 MacBook Pro on my front steps, didn't even ring the bell... signature required my ass.
ortusdux
Most delivery companies enacted signature exemption rules for covid and are in no hurry to rescind them. Getting signatures takes time, which affects their bottom line.
toomuchtodo
Protip: Ask for hold at location. Downside, you must drive to the facility. Upside, less hassle than if package is pirated.
ghaff
Don't know the last time I've been required to sign for something. That said, I live in a semi-rural location very well off the road.
oniony
Ass print?
Tijdreiziger
Signature required shifts the burden of proof.
If your drill press had been delivered to the wrong person, and the sender had chosen insured delivery (which automatically requires a signature), it would be easy to prove that the signature on file with the transporter did not match the actual signature of the recipient (i.e. you) (unless a fraudster forged your signature, that is).
Mind you, from what I understand, the seller is legally responsible up to the point of delivery in the Netherlands*. Therefore, even if your drill press hadn’t been sent with required signature, the shop would still be responsible in case it had been lost (but then the loss would come out of their own pocket, rather than that of the transporter).
Disclaimer: not a lawyer.
* Assuming you’re from the Netherlands due to your user name.
Freak_NL
All that means is that as the receiving party there is absolutely no reason for me to sign anything, or even use my actual signature.
Indeed, if the pallet was delivered to the wrong address and someone just took it, the burden of proof would lie with the selling party. Of course, a reputable transporter will make sure the address is right (plus, people generally don't act as if they were indeed expecting a pallet delivered by lorry).
pndy
It's a pain in the ass here with Polish Post with such screens - my signature doesn't even resembles one on the paper. Private delivery companies just call you to see if you're at home; you also have mobile apps and most of the time is possible to redirect packages to parcel machines. And these spawn like "shrooms after rain", as we say. They cared for codes, manual signing during pandemic but now - not really.
SchemaLoad
I bought a Steam Deck off amazon and they sent me a code on the day of delivery telling me to only provide this code to the delivery person face to face while receiving the parcel.
That seems like the perfect system because if you assume Amazon isn't trying to steal from you, the system can prove if the parcel was properly delivered or not.
tokioyoyo
Things have changed in the recent past, and you very rarely need your hanko. Maybe for marriage? Nowadays you cab register your signature at a bank and use it for any activity as well.
ekianjo
Nope. Signature works everytime. Don't spread myths.
nickpeterson
Probably print a receipt using a fax machine hooked to a pc-engine.
pezezin
You misspelled PC-98.
henry_bone
I had this idea years ago when I was moving house and redirecting my post. I'm probably not alone in that. Kudos to Japan Post for implementing it.
SwtCyber
Now let's see who outside Japan actually picks it up next. Feels like a good fit for places with high renter populations
lyall
Good opportunity to repost this gem: "Parsing the Infamous Japanese Postal CSV" https://www.dampfkraft.com/posuto.html
HN discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25023673
This is a good start. I have a registered code, I can update it whenever I move house, online ordering becomes easier, great.
As people have indicated in thread already, the current implementation is easy: a website frontend just needs to be able to resolve it to the physical address.
I think there is value though in carriers saying "no, wait, I'll do the lookup when I am ready to deliver!", because then I order something today with a 3-month lead time and if I move house, the delivery "follows me" to my new location.
Going further, I might want to specify my home address as the default, but for items under 2kg delivered 8am to 5pm on weekdays, please deliver to my place of business. If I'm in hospital for a prolonged stay, I may want to redirect to a friend or family member.
I actually expect some of the rapid delivery networks to get a bit more like this - I predicted with friends about 5 years ago at some point your Amazon delivery is going to be in a locker on the back of a self-driving vehicle. You (and everyone else in the street), will get a notification that its outside for the next 30 minutes - miss it, and it'll go get delivered to a nearby pickup site. Imagine if there was dynamic routing so that the parcel just "finds me" if I'm at work, or a bar after work... obviously I might want choices and options and so on, but I think the idea of parcels just going to where you sleep, whether you are there or not, is going to look quaint in 30 years time.
[edit: there's also a nice bit of privacy going on here the later the lookup happens - if nobody at the e-commerce site knows where I actually live, that information can't be leaked]