Strain gauge made out of PCB

My dad built one with an electromagnetic coil many years ago, can't find the design, capacity was limited but had 100? microgram resolution, maybe similar to this applied science video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ta7nlkI5K5g but I think simpler.

maybe something like this: https://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/equipment/s... https://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/equipment/s...

I found some old emails about the scale from 2005/6 but can't find the link and it would probably be gone anyways.

My uninformed opinion based on no experience is that this will creep so you should use a Kibble balance instead. (See sibling comment by s0rce.) Or maybe use a lever arm to amplify milligrams into tens of milligrams of force. Or just a regular pan balance. How big a weight do you want milligram precision on?

If you have some way to cut a precise shape out of some kind of metal sheet of well-controlled thickness, could you cut out a milligram precision bismar balance or steelyard?

Milligram accuracy isn’t a really a direct property of the load cell. A lot of it comes down to creep and hysteresis behavior.

Probably not, PCBs are also terrible as load cells because fibers break.

In general if you want a precise and accurate strain gauge you’ll be paying a lot for it, especially for one that doesn’t need to be recalibrated before every use and after nearly every measurement.

In the video, the author tries it with a small component that I think is a SOT-323-5 or similar. Based on [1], that weighs about 5-8 mg.

[1] https://www.mccsemi.com/pdf/ComponentWeightInformation.pdf

You can just buy strain gauges which are specially cut copper foils on a thin plastic substrate that you glue to something, like a metal strip. The resistance changes very slightly as the metal bends.

You measure the change in resistance with a wheatstone bridge tuned correctly.

You basically just need a strain gague (a few dollars), 4 resistors, an op-amp, and a microcontroller with an ADC.

Calibration is important and you'll run into things like the metal bar creeping, permanently bending as a result of weight being put on and off.

But also, milligram accurate scales are $20 on Amazon https://www.amazon.com/GRAM-PRES-Precision-Milligram-Reloadi...

Shahriar has a video on repairing a milligram resolution scale: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lz9mBc6FGzE

They don't tend to use strain gauges I think.

I don't think it is. PWM_BIAS is used as the select for the analog switch. High connects COM to B1 (GND) and low connects COM to B0 (BRIDGE_SUPPLY).

I hadn't thought about the hygroscopic and expansion questions; I think FR4 is, like wood, almost immune to longitudinal variation with temperature and humidity due to its anisotropy. (But I haven't tried to measure that.) And strain gauges are low enough impedance that I'd expect the capacitive effects to matter.

The temperature coefficient of resistance of the strain element seems like a concern, though, and so do thermal EMFs. My kitchen scale zeroes when I turn it on, a procedure that should be able to cancel one of these two but not both. Maybe you could have a diode thermal sensor, as an MCXO does, to measure the temperature so you can cancel both?

This project seems to do the first-order temperature correction thing:

> The included sample firmware will wait until a serial console is opened, perform a 5 second offset calibration, then sample continuously at the lowest gain setting. The graph.py script can be used to display the output.

> For high sensitivity measurements, it's important to let the board reach a stable operating temperature for at least 5 minutes before calibrating.

The thing I intuitively worry about here is creep. Does FR4 creep enough to worry about? Normally you make strain gauge bodies out of steel because it doesn't.

All sensors are thermometers, some measure other things too.

I'm sure there's a general rule of thumb where this approach works best as an approximation (such as a simple on/off switch)... which may give us opportunities to simplify the BOM list further with cheaper parts at cost to accuracy which wouldn't apply to PCB anyway.

Where I mostly seen this approach is with 3D printers where we just want to know if the nozzle is touching the print base.

But if we can quantify the general worse case variation between most PCBs then maybe we can create a recommended strain sensor element with a semi-quantified level of accuracy so it's not just an on/off sense.

I figured that's why they put it in a sealed chassis in the demo.

For the same deflection, I assume.

The device effectively measures mechanical strain at the surface of the PCB. The surfaces of a thicker board will experience more strain from bending because the radius of the curve (at the surface) is greater.