Burning Mao
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·May 3, 2025pimlottc
Some examples and background on Warhol’s series of Mao prints here:
https://www.myartbroker.com/artist-andy-warhol/10-facts/10-f...
What a fantastic story.
maxglute
I always wonder the process of deciding which portrait to for famous people. There's much better more photogenic (younger + lushes locks) of Mao and other leaders of when they were politically active.
HansardExpert
That was a great read. Thanks
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initramfs
excellent story
christkv
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tomhow
Eschew flamebait. Avoid generic tangents. Omit internet tropes.
Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. It tramples curiosity.
Please don't pick the most provocative thing in an article or post to complain about in the thread. Find something interesting to respond to instead.
luotuoshangdui
Mao is still considered a great leader in China. His portrait appears on literally all Chinese banknotes in the current series (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_series_of_the_renminbi).
DyslexicAtheist
it just underlines GP's point.
Sarah Paine EP 3: How Mao Conquered China (Lecture & Interview) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4l3Sa8ImGFQ&t=6325s
cardanome
Because the CCP under Mao liberated China from foreign oppression.
Now whether you might argue that it was thanks to or rather despite Mao being in leadership is another matter and believe me I am in the "despite" camp but it still makes sense that he would have strong symbolic importance for the Chinese people.
People that will argue "oh he killed millions of people" need to get their head out of the cold war propaganda. I do believe his economic policy was criminal and was done against the advice of Soviet advisors but it is still not murder. His policy was idiotic, he was neglectful maybe but he did not purposefully cause a famine.
Saying it is the same or even worse are the purposeful, planned industrial scale mass murder that Hitler was responsible for under the Nazi regime is pure holocaust apologia. Plain and simple.
cooper_ganglia
Criticizing Mao is "Holocaust apologia" because killing 45,000,000 of his citizenry was just an accident?
More people died then than during the Holocaust. More people dying is objectively worse, no matter how you slice it.
vaidhy
The 5 - 10 million Congolese who died under Belgian rule is probably much higher as a percentage of the population than the great leap forward.
Great leap forward killed 4% of Chinese population. Vietnam war killed 10% - 12% of people in Vietnam. I do not see condemnation of US here..Rather, I see the celebration that US has a democracy.
cardanome
If I plan out how to kill someone, get the right weapon and execute on my plan, yeah that is murder.
If I see a donation stand for children in Africa and decide to rather buy a video game from that money, well some children are going to starve because of my decision but I haven't exactly killed them.
Blaming Mao for a famine is completely insane if you are not super brainwashed. He was a human not a god.
But considering you took the highest death toll estimation you could find already shows you are not interested in facts but in pushing a narrative.
socalgal2
Agreed
The article was a good story. Strange though that people cherish these Mao pictures and put them on display. I like Andy Warhol but putting Mao up seems like putting a picture of Hitler on your wall. And no, this isn't Godwin's Law. The comparison seems to fit given he's one of the top 3 mass murders of all time
https://www.heritage.org/china/commentary/the-legacy-mao-zed...
https://www.chinafile.com/library/nyrb-china-archive/who-kil...
maxglute
Mao was broadly successful. Trading 5% of abundant population for superstructure of modern Chinese state that subsequent leadership snowballed into what PRC is today is frankly a bargin. You don't get modern PRC state capacity without Mao speedrunning industrialization and cultural heterogeneity. Nation building on scale of PRC from the shit state post war China is hard. He didn't ace it, but vs developing peers post war that spluttered, or the other billion+ country with more favourable starting conditions, grading on a curve, Mao gets top marks, especially when PRC was playing on extra hard mode with US containment.
zimza
Well, Bush is seen as acceptable too. Or any US - or western - leader.
cooper_ganglia
This is satire, surely?
Downplaying the severity of despots like Mao by comparing them to democratically elected leaders is incredibly disrespectful to the 45,000,000 people that died as a direct result of catastrophic and coercive policies.
danielheath
I assume the reference was to Bush’s foreign wars, which killed _dramatically_ fewer people (under a million even in the most expansive estimates I can find)… although they also brought widespread poverty, rather than mass industrialisation and wealth.
vaidhy
Why is "democratically elected" so important? Democracies can also kill a lot of people. Hitler was democratically elected, so is Netanyahu.
If you are so inclined, one was had good intentions, but backfired badly while other is explicitly cruel.
jajko
I guess you mean Jr who consumed a lot of coke when young, not his late CIA father who was shielding Jr from jail numerous times.
Middle east is as it is currently largely to his fuckups and made up invasions for reasons barely better than russian invasion of Ukraine, and Afghanistan failure is proper second Vietnam for US to the last details, just less movies about it so far so its largely ignored and people act like it didn't happen.
Republicans still uncritically celebrate him, when I dared to criticize him even here I got downvoted to hell pretty quickly. Yet he is directly responsible for death of millions of innocent civilians and indirectly caused ie Isis, not on Mao or Stalin level but still.
thiagoharry
He is the founder of modern China, who ended the century of humiliation and restored the country's independence. Yes, it was messy. But what the west was doing against the country and the previous situation was not better.
DyslexicAtheist
oh no. Pooh, you ate all the propaganda instead of the honey.
> The systemic media control in authoritarian regimes is often inspired by China’s propaganda model. China (178th) remains the world’s largest jail for journalists and reentered the bottom trio of the Index, coming just ahead of North Korea (179th). -- https://rsf.org/en/rsf-world-press-freedom-index-2025-econom...
vaidhy
Is it surprising that the places with more conflicts has poor reporting ranking (according to this model)?
A media control does not need government to act openly. A mind-numbing patriotism can be as effective. Look at US reporting on the aftermath of 9/11. How many papers argued against Iraq or Afghanistan war? How many papers are talking about Gaza now? or even covering hands-off rallies?
sepositus
> Yes, it was messy, but hardly bloodier than what the West was doing in the country at the time.
Can you expand on this?
thiagoharry
The country was completely subjulgated by England, was sacked by several western powers. See the Opium Wars, the unequal treaties, several lands were stolen.
neves
Sure you know about the most shameful war of all times, right?
Hammershaft
'Yes, it was messy.'
That's one way to describe Mao implementing such incompetent and exploitative policies that it leads to over 40 million Chinese people dying in famines and purges.
jltsiren
And many Christian churches prominently display art featuring Satan. It's always less about what is actually in the picture and more about the message the picture is supposed to send and how people actually interpret it.
Hitler and Nazis have been used as comic reliefs in Western popular culture. You can supposedly make anything more funny in an absurd way by adding some gratuitous Nazis. Communist leaders such as Stalin and Mao are often used ironically. Sometimes because people find the socialist realism art style aesthetically pleasing, and sometimes due to the irony of turning a communist leader into commercial art.
socalgal2
Mao portraits are not posted as comic relief, nor are they posted a warnings of what not to be like picture of Satan.
jltsiren
Do you know the motivations of those who hanged Mao portraits, or are you just guessing? I wouldn't know, as I'm not even sure I had seen Warhol's Mao portraits before today. But I've known plenty of people who went to a current or former commmunist country and brought back ironic communist kitsch.
https://archive.ph/1FQlr