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You could just choose optimism

You could just choose optimism

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·May 1, 2025

rekenaut

I've discovered that the people I most enjoy being around are those that are authentically optimistic. Not those that are blind to everything negative, and not those who are faking it to ameliorate themselves, but those who are encouraged by the opportunity for a better tomorrow. Astonishingly, these are often people that have suffered overwhelming personal tragedy. I've also noticed that the more time I spend around these people, the more emotionally resilient I become myself to difficulties.

There seems to be common sentiment that being optimistic is somehow ignorant or otherwise insidious. Maybe this is true, but I am already too familiar with the acute pain that comes with a life entrenched in pessimism to allow myself to fall into that spiral.

caseyy

"A cynic is never wrong, but an optimist is always right" is a saying my friends and I have. Chronic pessimists and cynics often see and say much truth about the world. But the optimists will succeed much more in their goals, business, relationships, and many other parts of life. They have a deeper set of values and philosophy that is more right, even if they get the particulars wrong sometimes.

There are tons of comments online that claim emotionally secure and mature people are ignorant or even irresponsible if they're not in perpetual anxiety about the world. The "you should be scared with the way the world is" type. Obviously, what they claim is not true, and it's very unhealthy. But someone who is emotionally secure understands they gain nothing from a neurotic debate online, so they don't call these opinions out. The opinions remain there, unchallenged, seemingly agreeable and prevalent.

Life entrenched in pessimism is also a bit contagious. Though I don't want to be unkind, I have to be honest: there is a limit to how much I can try to help someone with that mindset before they drag me down with them. Something I learned studying field medicine (and this isn't some secret in the first responder world or just general knowledge) is that you protect your safety first. If you arrive in a situation and add yourself to the casualty list, you are just not helping anyone: you get hurt, and you create more work. I think this applies not only to physical hazards, but also to emotional ones. One more depressed person in the world does not make it a better place for anyone.

It makes sense to exercise some caution, and most of our emotional brains understand that. This brings me back to the original point — it's hard for one to succeed anywhere if everyone's avoiding them (best case scenario) or being turned negative themselves (worst case scenario). Much remains to be said about the internet's role in this epidemic of negativity and various depressive disorder crises.

throwaway81523

You can find out who is right the most by seeing who wins the most prediction contests. Those are the realists. The optimists and pessimists, by contrast, are living in imaginary worlds.

bjt

If you're talking about something we can't change, sure. Not all questions are like that.

"Will this person treat me fairly/kindly?" Often your optimism/pessimism will be a self fulfilling prophecy.

"Is this rainy day a good thing or a bad thing?" (An example from the article.) It turns out, you get to decide.

caseyy

Yes. But the quote contrasts facts/predictions with wisdom.

whartung

  > Astonishingly, these are often people that have suffered overwhelming personal tragedy.  
It sounds cliche, but a pair of the most powerful people I’ve known (in terms of personality) are near death survivors.

One was in a small plane crash, the other was a SEAL that went into Grenada. He had rather long scar on his neck.

Very positive people, almost, but not quite, devil may care.

And it brings to mind a line from an early episode from “The Expanse”, where a character nearly died and, later returned on a dangerous mission. About how he should have died before, and now he was on bonus time.

I’m not convinced folks can talk themselves into the mindset that may come from experiences like that. It’s old news, we’ve all heard it. But, most of us, seemingly, are unconvinced.

hn_throwaway_99

Coincidentally, NY Times had a front page article on this topic today:

https://archive.vn/MjADI

bpev

I do think that effort over time makes a difference here, though. I remember this from an interview with Ruby Sales that stuck with me (I don't know the origin of the phrase, but this is where I heard it): https://pca.st/episode/2240f0ef-004f-45cc-9e77-0a10b9905530

  I love everybody.
  I love everybody in my heart.
  And you can't make me hate you.
  And you can't make me hate you.
I think of it less like "trying to be optimistic" as much as "making sure I pause long enough to see the optimistic thoughts that are there"

frontfor

Personally I like to think about this in terms of the reward asymmetry. In most situations if you’re cynical or pessimistic and you turn out to be right, you don’t really gain much. If you’re an optimist, and keep betting or grinding sensibly, you’ll eventually be right and there’s much to gain potentially.

davesque

> Astonishingly, these are often people that have suffered overwhelming personal tragedy.

I remember once I got into a really nice conversation with a charming old guy in a coffee shop. He was markedly optimistic and he really left an impression on me. At the end of our conversation, I found out he was a Nazi death camp survivor.

Aeglaecia

i posit that the term optimism in its common usage conflates hope and delusion , hope being a subset of delusion that is consciously utilised in stimulating behaviour percieved to bring one closer to their goals , as opposed to a collapse of agency into pure fantasy disconnected from reality ... by demarcating these two concepts it is shown that optimism groups potentials both insidious and beautiful ... as usual, evidenciary of good and bad not being mutually exclusive ...

internet2000

I'm not going to sit here and let a website with two consecutive dashes in the domain lecture me, sorry.

sulam

It’s an em-dash!

rhet0rica

I hope not. That's even weirder!

parrit

en-dash my friend

AstroBen

no one will stop me from being sad! How dare they!

kgwxd

You just sarcasmed in public. How dare you!

bravetraveler

Please just choose optimism.

macrocosmos

The way text resizes on that website is so strange. It's actually amazing how awful it is. Like they went out of their way to ensure it resizes in the most ridiculous possible manner. And the zoom on my browser does nothing. Absolutely amazing.

sambapa

I suppose that you have merely seen the text ;)

cadamsdotcom

I like how positive you are about it!

blackhaj7

This is one of those excellent articles that nicely synthesises lots of your own less articulate thoughts

Also, I forwarded it to my wife…

kgwxd

Agreed. Also, sorry about the divorce.

squigz

What?

jen729w

I'm living (temporarily) with someone who obsessively watches the news on TV. And not the good news. The trashy, commercial-channel news.

'Oh who cares about this rubbish!', they'll say to the screen. Or 'who cares about these people, why do we need to see this?', or 'why do we give these people attention?'.

As someone who identifies as an optimist – and who hasn't watched any form of TV news in decades – I find it interesting.

Imagenuity

And merely suggesting watching less trashy news brings cries of "Quit watching? Inconceivable!"

As an optimist that likewise doesn't watch the news. it is interesting the many traps of things of false worthiness people get caught up in.

tpmoney

It's easy to feel like you have a responsibility to be informed, and as a result you have to be drinking from the fire hose all the time. I noticed myself getting into that habit and that it was dragging me down to places I didn't want to be. After spending some time thinking about it I came to the conclusion that there are very very very few things that happen in this world that would change for the worse if I didn't find out about it until a week later. As a result there's no need to be plugged in 24/7. I can get updates on things once or so a week and the world will go on exactly as it would have if I was plugged in every day, but my mental health will be much better. Bonus is that I don't have to wade through the fog of "breaking news", I can get a more accurate and complete picture the first time rather than drips and drabs over a week.

creakingstairs

I’d been a cynical and nervous wreck for early part of my life. And I still get episodes of paralysing gloom and doom. Something I often I tell myself is “despite” all the [negative things], I will be a positive force in the world and that is something to be proud of. It is easy to be positive during good times and it is difficult to be positive in hard times, but it’s worth it _because_ it’s hard. I’ve never been a religious person, but I’ve been thinking more and more about religious allegories and how it fits this mindset.

Anyhow, there is something about the word “despite”(그럼에도) that rings my soul. So I mutter it to myself all the time.

kevmo314

Isn’t this article complaining about complaints? Does that make it paradoxical?

I think complaints, even gossipy ones, hold value. I agree with the general premise that it’s easier to complain, but in the hotel towel footnote honestly I’d complain to my friends because it’s a story to tell, not because I expect them to actually avoid the hotel. Misery loves company.

Lalabadie

"This deserves improvement" and "this deserves complaining and I will refuse to enjoy it" are two independent conclusions that don't need to come together.

I doubt think the article is doing the former, while you're suggesting that it can't come without implying the latter.

kevmo314

The article is definitely suggesting the former...

But even the article doesn't describe the latter either. Grouchy G could have enjoyed the flight despite being a complainer, we really don't know.

beloch

I'm firmly convinced that some people can only be happy while making others miserable. Choosing to be happy when they're determined to ruin your day will drive them nuts.

jimbokun

That’s the most boring story ever.

keybored

Blanket complaining about complaining without any reservation is hypocritical.[1]

It presupposes that all complaining is just to be negative. But people also complain in order to vent. And it isn’t just selfish. Venting can be cathartic for both parties.

There’s a psychological and social component to complaining. And denying that is just negative-nancy complaining.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43797763

kgwxd

It's not paradoxical to defend against offense with offense.

kevmo314

Ok perhaps paradoxical isn't the right word, self-refuting maybe?

kgwxd

Sorry, it was similar enough that you triggered my automatic "tolerance is not a paradox" response. I'm sure you weren't trying to justify all forms of "complaining" with pseudo-intellectual BS so, please forgive me for lashing out :)

I agree, there's a funny thing about it, but to me it's more optimistic ;) It's like a very good point is being made, it's not perfect but, somehow, that point could be used to sharpen itself.

jgr0007

"I wish there were more good role models of this behavior. Or maybe there are, and I’m too much of a grouchy complainer to see them. Who comes to mind for you?"

Immediately thought of, and could not stop thinking of the Calvin & Hobbes camping trip. https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/candh/images/3/30/8-16.gif...

000ooo000

Kind of ironic that TFA came after their previous piece.

>I Literally Don’t Know

>TL;DR: You don’t need to pick my brain, or probably anyone’s brain, for general life advice. It won’t help.

Overall the Optimism piece is just long-form LinkedIn garbage. What insights does it present? Complaining bad, optimism good, not all complaining is bad, but complaining is mostly bad? OK..

Improvements rarely start with "I'm satisfied with this". Writing off complaining because one conflates complaining with misery is silly.

tpmoney

> Improvements rarely start with "I'm satisfied with this". Writing off complaining because one conflates complaining with misery is silly.

I've found improvements rarely start with complaining either. Or maybe it's more accurate to say that people I know that are complainers are rarely the source of improvements. They're usually too busy complaining about the situation and the proposed solutions to pick one.

Improvements most often come from a mindset of "this thing is not the way I want it to be, so what am I going to do to change that?" Sometimes "complain to someone with the ability to change it" is the right answer, but usually you have some degree of agency yourself and it's a lot more effective to exercise that agency than to get someone else to act on your behalf in response to your complaints.

1dom

I see it like a scale of how easy it is to deal with a problem.

The easiest thing is to stew and do nothing. Next easiest thing is to is to sit around and complain. After that comes actually doing something about the problem.

I think efficient, productive, optimistic people are people who don't have the ramp up time of stewing and complaining, and it becomes self perpetuating: they have a better life that's easy to be optimistic about because problems get solved by themselves without issues ("complaints").

bdbenton5255

Optimism is the only choice for many of us. Especially for those trying to find work in this slump, persistence pays off in the end.

The voice of Nature loudly cries, And many a message from the skies, That something in us never dies:

- Robert Burns

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codr7

You often can't choose what happens to you, but you can always choose how you react.